Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 09:53:40AM +0100, Alan Williamson wrote: > Good morning fellow N800'ers. > > I was wondering what my choices where for writing applications on the > N800 was. Being a hard core Java junkie I am fully aware my avenue is > cut off here. So what are my other options? If

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Andreas Poisel
* Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070426 15:00]: > Maybe it's a silly thought, but what about doing the UI stuff in > javascript within a browser window? > > Actually, that's a question I'd like answered - it's what I've been > thinking of doing for a project, but haven't gotten around to ye

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Kevin T. Neely
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 09:53:40AM +0100, Alan Williamson wrote: > Good morning fellow N800'ers. > > I was wondering what my choices where for writing applications on the > N800 was. Being a hard core Java junkie I am fully aware my avenue is > cut off here. So what are my other options? Sli

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Antonio Orlando
Because you cannot save a state if you're just working with html files from the filesystem... Although TiddlyWiki works fine on FireFox and IE, and perhaps Minimo on Maemo too (on Opera it doesn't work, at least out of the box). TiddlyWiki is just html and javascript, no remote or local serv

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Simon Budig
Eero Tamminen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > ext Simon Budig wrote: > >> Why JavaScript would be slower than the other interpreted languages > >> like Python, Perl etc? > > > > It is not only the language itself, it is also the latency involved for > > contacting the (although local) webserver and/o

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Simon Budig wrote: >> Why JavaScript would be slower than the other interpreted languages >> like Python, Perl etc? > > It is not only the language itself, it is also the latency involved for > contacting the (although local) webserver and/or recomputing the layout > of the page. Er. Wh

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On 4/26/07, Alan Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for your all input. Python while sounds to be the route, is hampered by the fact one would have to ask the user to install the runtime first of all --- which really does add a layer of complexity to distribution. Is there plans on m

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Alan Williamson
Thanks for your all input. Python while sounds to be the route, is hampered by the fact one would have to ask the user to install the runtime first of all --- which really does add a layer of complexity to distribution. Is there plans on making Python part of the core system? Does the C++/

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Simon Budig
Eero Tamminen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Why JavaScript would be slower than the other interpreted languages > like Python, Perl etc? It is not only the language itself, it is also the latency involved for contacting the (although local) webserver and/or recomputing the layout of the page. Late

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Marius Gedminas wrote: >>> About UI, if you want simple interfaces to automatize process, and >>> that should be the main need for Maemo right now, due limited input >>> and interaction with device, you can try to use my wrapper around >>> toolkits (it's just GTK now, but can/will be exten

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Simon Budig
Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Well, all I can say is that "web2.0" with their ajax and buzz-words is > well accepted, so users may like it. Now, that is what I call apples and bananas... Of course users like web2.0 and the buzz stuff, since there is no alternative in that

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On 4/26/07, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 08:51:43AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > >About UI, if you want simple interfaces to automatize process, and > >that should be the main need for Maemo right now, due limited input > >

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 08:51:43AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > >About UI, if you want simple interfaces to automatize process, and > >that should be the main need for Maemo right now, due limited input > >and interaction with device, you can try to use my wrappe

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On 4/26/07, Eero Tamminen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, ext Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > JS is fine. Our only glitch is that we ship our tiny webserver that > listen for localhost but Opera browser doesn't allow us to use > localhost if we're not connected to any access point :-( Is there

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On 4/26/07, Jeff G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Since this topic was brought up, does Python + pygtk allow you to easily create widgets at fixed locations with fixed sizes? I'm having trouble with all the "auto fit, autosize" stuff. I know it's less portable, but I really want to use a fixed locat

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > JS is fine. Our only glitch is that we ship our tiny webserver that > listen for localhost but Opera browser doesn't allow us to use > localhost if we're not connected to any access point :-( Is there a bug about that in Maemo bugzilla? - Eero _

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On 4/26/07, Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > About UI, if you want simple interfaces to automatize process, and > that should be the main need for Maemo right now, due limited input > and interaction with device, you can try to use my wrapper around > to

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Jeff G
Since this topic was brought up, does Python + pygtk allow you to easily create widgets at fixed locations with fixed sizes? I'm having trouble with all the "auto fit, autosize" stuff. I know it's less portable, but I really want to use a fixed location GUI builder and runtime. Thanks, Jeff ___

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: About UI, if you want simple interfaces to automatize process, and that should be the main need for Maemo right now, due limited input and interaction with device, you can try to use my wrapper around toolkits (it's just GTK now, but can/will be extended), it's als

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On 4/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Easiest way to develop applications nowadays is Python + PyGtk. It consumes quite a bit resources but if you can code Java, you can learn Python in half day when other people need about one day to learn it :). I am currently coding wit

RE: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Karoliina.T.Salminen
st Wishes, Karoliina >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Alan Williamson >Sent: 26 April, 2007 11:54 >To: maemo-users >Subject: Choice of Programming Languages > >Good morning fellow N800'ers. > >I was wond

Re: Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread michel . brabants
Hello, well I am not a developper, but would like to add the followiing. Gcj allows to compile java to native code directly, which improves the footprint, ... I don't know if there are any java-bindings however. Phones alzxo run java. Jamvm is maybe lighter, ... than the sun-one, but I don't know

Choice of Programming Languages

2007-04-26 Thread Alan Williamson
Good morning fellow N800'ers. I was wondering what my choices where for writing applications on the N800 was. Being a hard core Java junkie I am fully aware my avenue is cut off here. So what are my other options? thanks -- Alan Williamson "a wiki -and- a blog" @ www.Blog-City.com w: