Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] renaming -debug packages as -debuginfo

2012-12-03 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 3 December 2012 15:29, Pascal Terjan wrote: >>> On my system, it lists 981 packages (more than 2/3 of those installed), on >>> an up to date mga2. >>> The vast majority are tagged mga2 >>> (A few are tagged mga1, required by some mga2 package, as well as various >>> upstream packages.) >>> Scan

Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pcre-8.32-5.mga3

2012-12-03 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 1 December 2012 11:21, fwang wrote: > fwang 8.32-5.mga3: > + Revision: 323949 > - add back pcretest pcre requires lib64pcre1 = 8.32-5.mga3. So I should be able to remove old lib64pcre0: rpm -e --test lib64pcre0-8.21-2.mga3.x86_64 error: Failed dependencies: libpcreposix.so.1()(64bit)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread blind Pete
Maurice Batey wrote: > On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:51:52 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > >> If you have another distribution >> installed with grub-legacy it is easy to install a second distro which >> uses grub2 (use chainloader in your existing grub-legacy). > > Depends on where GRUB2 is install

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread AL13N
Op maandag 3 december 2012 21:35:52 schreef Maurice Batey: > On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:25:53 +0100, AL13N wrote: > > grub-legacy hasn't been supported for years, > > I don't understand what you are saying. > > Perhaps it's a terminology thing. > > I'm using "GRUB-Legacy" to mean "The version of G

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread AL13N
Op dinsdag 4 december 2012 00:42:40 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: > 2012/12/3 Maurice Batey : > > On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:25:53 +0100, AL13N wrote: > >> grub2 has btrfs support > >> > > So for those pioneers who want to use btrfs, let them have an 'install > > with > > > > GRUB2" option, and keep

Re: [Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts

2012-12-03 Thread Frank Griffin
On 12/03/2012 07:12 PM, JA Magallón wrote: To get the most 'pure' NM setup I could, I did this: - disabled the ifcfg-rh plugin in NM.conf, just keyfile - configured the network via nm-connection-editor, stored system wide in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections - creaed a dummy ifcfg-eth0 fi

Re: [Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts

2012-12-03 Thread JA Magallón
On 11/28/2012 03:15 PM, Jose Jorge wrote: Le 28/11/2012 14:05, Johnny A. Solbu a écrit : On Wednesday 28. November 2012 12.44, Olivier Blin wrote: You can just set NM_CONTROLLED=yes in the generated ifcfg files. If the interface is configured using NetworkManager, why doesn't NM itself creat

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/3 Maurice Batey : > On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:25:53 +0100, AL13N wrote: > >> grub2 has btrfs support > > So for those pioneers who want to use btrfs, let them have an 'install with > GRUB2" option, and keep GRUB-Legacy as default?! Yes, at least until btrfs is really working - if I'm not mi

Re: [Mageia-dev] requiring postgres-devel

2012-12-03 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM, zezinho wrote: > qlandkartegt build fails because urpmi auto-selects a different libpq and > libpq-devel (eg. libpq5.1 and libpq5.2-devel) for the auto requires > libpq.so.5. > > Any hint on how to deal with that? Should I require manually a versioned > libpq AND l

[Mageia-dev] requiring postgres-devel

2012-12-03 Thread zezinho
qlandkartegt build fails because urpmi auto-selects a different libpq and libpq-devel (eg. libpq5.1 and libpq5.2-devel) for the auto requires libpq.so.5. Any hint on how to deal with that? Should I require manually a versioned libpq AND libpq-devel?

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)

2012-12-03 Thread Pierre-Malo Deniélou
Le 02/12/12 13:40,Pierre-Malo Deniélou nous adresse ces quelques mots : > Le 01/12/12 02:30,Pierre-Malo Deniélou nous adresse ces quelques mots : >> Le 29/11/12 11:04,Malo nous adresse ces quelques mots : >>> On 27/11/12 23:02, Pierre-Malo Deniélou wrote: Le 26/11/12 17:34,Malo nous adresse ce

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 1 EOL.

2012-12-03 Thread zezinho
Em 03-12-2012 22:26, Stan Thomas escreveu: I'm willing to help with maintenance updates for Mageia 1 (and I count Firefox and Thunderbird updates in this category). There seem to be a few others who are similarly motivated. But I'm a newcomer to this so if there is anyone ready to take the lead p

[Mageia-dev] Clanlib2 and SSE2 on i586

2012-12-03 Thread zezinho
Trying to launch openalchemist gave me a crash because Clanlib2 uses SSE2 on SSE2 systems for software rendering, while we disabled it at configure. What should we do? I think enabling it is better, as all i586 CPU with less than 10 years come with SSE2. But our policy forbids it ;-) ERROR F

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Maurice Batey
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:25:53 +0100, AL13N wrote: > grub2 has btrfs support So for those pioneers who want to use btrfs, let them have an 'install with GRUB2" option, and keep GRUB-Legacy as default?! -- /\/\aurice

Re: [Mageia-dev] unable to install cauldron in a vmware vm

2012-12-03 Thread Manuel Hiebel
Le 03/12/2012 21:45, sardine a écrit : > I don't know what component is at stake so I can't fill a bug report. No need: https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=%22read_config%22 -> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8160

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Maurice Batey
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:25:53 +0100, AL13N wrote: > grub-legacy hasn't been supported for years, I don't understand what you are saying. Perhaps it's a terminology thing. I'm using "GRUB-Legacy" to mean "The version of GRUB we are using in pre-GRUB2 Distro's". -- /\/\aurice

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Maurice Batey
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:40:35 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > As long as it is in the distribution, why do you need the installer to > support it, as long as you can reconfigure it thereafter ? If you are meaning that Mageia-3 will contain the capability of using GRUB-Legacy but will install GR

Re: [Mageia-dev] unable to install cauldron in a vmware vm

2012-12-03 Thread Thomas Backlund
Lee Forest skrev 3.12.2012 23:27: I had the same error in the partition editor when booting from usb. Not even in a vbox. stage2 probably broken. If you wait a couple of days we should have a new stage2 available. -- Thomas

Re: [Mageia-dev] unable to install cauldron in a vmware vm

2012-12-03 Thread Lee Forest
I had the same error in the partition editor when booting from usb. Not even in a vbox.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 1 EOL.

2012-12-03 Thread Stan Thomas
I'm willing to help with maintenance updates for Mageia 1 (and I count Firefox and Thunderbird updates in this category). There seem to be a few others who are similarly motivated. But I'm a newcomer to this so if there is anyone ready to take the lead please tell me where we start.

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] renaming -debug packages as -debuginfo

2012-12-03 Thread AL13N
Op maandag 3 december 2012 20:15:36 schreef Pascal Terjan: > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM, AL13N wrote: > > Op maandag 3 december 2012 19:52:43 schreef Pascal Terjan: > >> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:29 PM, AL13N wrote: > >> > Op maandag 3 december 2012 14:29:05 schreef Pascal Terjan: > >> > [...]

[Mageia-dev] unable to install cauldron in a vmware vm

2012-12-03 Thread sardine
Hi, I can't install Cauldron (i586) starting from a boot.iso image in a wmware vm. After the partitionning phase, I got this error : "caller should have used ->read_config or >configure first.". I don't know what component is at stake so I can't fill a bug report. Here is a screenshot : http:

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] renaming -debug packages as -debuginfo

2012-12-03 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM, AL13N wrote: > Op maandag 3 december 2012 19:52:43 schreef Pascal Terjan: >> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:29 PM, AL13N wrote: >> > Op maandag 3 december 2012 14:29:05 schreef Pascal Terjan: >> > [...] >> > >> >> Testing on various machines, it seems wrong when there ar

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] renaming -debug packages as -debuginfo

2012-12-03 Thread AL13N
Op maandag 3 december 2012 19:52:43 schreef Pascal Terjan: > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:29 PM, AL13N wrote: > > Op maandag 3 december 2012 14:29:05 schreef Pascal Terjan: > > [...] > > > >> Testing on various machines, it seems wrong when there are several > >> versions of the package available (up

Re: [Mageia-dev] Please help to fix build ecl and gcl

2012-12-03 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
On 02.12.2012 11:47, Kamil Rytarowski wrote: We have got problems with building ecl and gcl (both Lisp machines). There are packages that depend on it (like Maxima), and this has to be fixed before the mass rebuild. It is a BR blocker for other packages. Thanks Shlomi ECL is built! Now, it's t

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012-12-03 19:40 (GMT+0100) Guillaume Rousse composed: As long as it is in the distribution, why do you need the installer to support it, as long as you can reconfigure it thereafter ? Grub2 installation is much more disruptive than the minimal or non-disruptive Grub Legacy. -- "The wise

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] renaming -debug packages as -debuginfo

2012-12-03 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:29 PM, AL13N wrote: > Op maandag 3 december 2012 14:29:05 schreef Pascal Terjan: > [...] >> Testing on various machines, it seems wrong when there are several >> versions of the package available (updates or core+tainted) > > so, this is again bug 2317 joy... I don't

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Thomas Backlund
AL13N skrev 3.12.2012 21:25: Op maandag 3 december 2012 18:01:28 schreef Maurice Batey: On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:51:52 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: If you have another distribution installed with grub-legacy it is easy to install a second distro which uses grub2 (use chainloader in your existin

Re: [Mageia-dev] filesystem update

2012-12-03 Thread Thomas Backlund
Guillaume Rousse skrev 3.12.2012 21:01: Le 02/12/2012 18:46, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : On 2 December 2012 01:23, Thomas Spuhler wrote: Are we going to stay with filesystem-2.1.9? Fedora is on version 3.2 version is quite arbitrary... But the /usrmove change would deserve a more explicit ver

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] renaming -debug packages as -debuginfo

2012-12-03 Thread AL13N
Op maandag 3 december 2012 14:29:05 schreef Pascal Terjan: [...] > Testing on various machines, it seems wrong when there are several > versions of the package available (updates or core+tainted) so, this is again bug 2317 joy... perhaps bug 2317 is also at the basis of the orphans problem...

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread AL13N
Op maandag 3 december 2012 18:01:28 schreef Maurice Batey: > On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:51:52 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > If you have another distribution > > installed with grub-legacy it is easy to install a second distro which > > uses grub2 (use chainloader in your existing grub-legacy). >

Re: [Mageia-dev] filesystem update

2012-12-03 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 02/12/2012 18:46, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : On 2 December 2012 01:23, Thomas Spuhler wrote: Are we going to stay with filesystem-2.1.9? Fedora is on version 3.2 version is quite arbitrary... But the /usrmove change would deserve a more explicit version bump than usual changes. -- BOFH e

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 1 EOL.

2012-12-03 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 03/12/2012 08:20, Remco Rijnders a écrit : If there is user demand for it, and packagers willing to provide security updates for a few more months, I'm willing to host the packages built. We're running short of manpower, not of disk space... -- It's not the one with your name on it; it's the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 03/12/2012 18:47, Maurice Batey a écrit : On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:40:11 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Why do you care about installer support, for stuff already installed ? Not for 'stuff installed', but for the installation of Mageia-3, with which I would prefer to use GRUB-Legacy - he

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Maurice Batey
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:51:52 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > If you have another distribution > installed with grub-legacy it is easy to install a second distro which > uses grub2 (use chainloader in your existing grub-legacy). Depends on where GRUB2 is installed. If it goes in the MBR, then h

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Maurice Batey
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:40:11 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Why do you care about installer support, for stuff already installed ? Not for 'stuff installed', but for the installation of Mageia-3, with which I would prefer to use GRUB-Legacy - hence the enquiry "Will the Mageia-3 installer off

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Maurice Batey
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 07:39:28 -0500, andre999 wrote: > Grub2 does seem more complicated to customize. That's the understatement of the year! -- /\/\aurice

Re: [Mageia-dev] What is happening with WiFi on Mageia-3?

2012-12-03 Thread Maurice Batey
On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 22:49:01 +0100, Jose Jorge wrote: > WiFi works in Mageia 3 with lots of hardware. Your bug is a driver > problem, not a global Mageia configuration one. Correct, but why does Mageia-3 mess up with the driver when e.g. Ubuntu and Mint work the same WiFi well 'out of the box'?

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] renaming -debug packages as -debuginfo

2012-12-03 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Pascal Terjan wrote: > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:13 PM, andre999 wrote: >> Colin Guthrie a écrit : >> >>> ... >>> >>> general advice of running "urpmq --not-available" would be a good enough >>> fallback IMO. >>> >> >> By chance is that compared to cauldron ? > > To

Re: [Mageia-dev] remove the udunits 1.x generation

2012-12-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Kamil Rytarowski at 02/12/12 01:38 did gyre and gimble: > Hi! > > We have got two packages: > udunits (1.x line) and udunits2 (2.x line). > > The 1.x generation is deprecated for a long time and superseded by 2.x [1] > > I am proposing to obsolete 1.x line and then rename udun

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] renaming -debug packages as -debuginfo

2012-12-03 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:13 PM, andre999 wrote: > Colin Guthrie a écrit : > >> ... >> >> general advice of running "urpmq --not-available" would be a good enough >> fallback IMO. >> > > By chance is that compared to cauldron ? To the configured media > Or is some other parameter required ? None

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] renaming -debug packages as -debuginfo

2012-12-03 Thread andre999
Colin Guthrie a écrit : ... general advice of running "urpmq --not-available" would be a good enough fallback IMO. By chance is that compared to cauldron ? Or is some other parameter required ? On my system, it lists 981 packages (more than 2/3 of those installed), on an up to date mga2. Th

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread andre999
Maurice Batey a écrit : On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:43:28 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote: I guess he means that if we switch to Grub2 by default, will we still support greb legacy ? Correct! I.e. when installing 'GRUB2' Mageia-3, will there be an option to use GRUB-Legacy instead? The reason I

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal to drop avant-window-navigator

2012-12-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Kamil Rytarowski at 02/12/12 11:10 did gyre and gimble: > Awant-window-navigator (awn) [1] and awn-extras-applets are near dead. > Both packages are unbuildable due to old vala dependencies (it needs > 0.14 generation, since we are already using 0.18). > > Maintaining it current

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] renaming -debug packages as -debuginfo

2012-12-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 01/12/12 17:59 did gyre and gimble: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote: > >> Every other distros name their debug packages as foobar-debuginfo. >> We name them foobar-debug instead. >> >> Due to this, we've to patch various packages (gdb, ...) for

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/12/3 Guillaume Rousse : > Le 02/12/2012 13:13, Maurice Batey a écrit : >> >> Those are just some of the reasons why I would like to avoid - or postpone >> - >> conversion to GRUB2, the need for which I still fail to comprehend. > > Why do you care about installer support, for stuff already ins

Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?

2012-12-03 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 02/12/2012 13:13, Maurice Batey a écrit : Those are just some of the reasons why I would like to avoid - or postpone - conversion to GRUB2, the need for which I still fail to comprehend. Why do you care about installer support, for stuff already installed ? -- BOFH excuse #201: RPC_PMAP_FAI