Quote: Fabrice Facorat wrote on Tue, 05 October 2010 13:30
> > That's a nop argument. Rewriting from scratch needs more manpower
> > whatever is the number of tools...
>
> sure, but if more people are able to contribute, this could counter
> balanced this fact .
Well, Fabrice you should know h
Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 13:30 +0200, Fabrice Facorat a écrit :
> 2010/10/5 Thierry Vignaud :
> > On 3 October 2010 09:58, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
> >> sure. But do Mandriva still have enough man power to maintain so many
> >> tools ?
> >
> > That's a nop argument. Rewriting from scratch needs m
2010/10/5 Thierry Vignaud :
> On 3 October 2010 09:58, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>>> Specifying what exactly is wrong is an essential issue here:
>>> - Just "perl is hard to understand" isn't a problem for users, users
>>> don't code it.
>>
>> but for dev and potential contributor this increase the a
On 3 October 2010 09:58, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>> Specifying what exactly is wrong is an essential issue here:
>> - Just "perl is hard to understand" isn't a problem for users, users
>> don't code it.
>
> but for dev and potential contributor this increase the antry barrier
> for contribution
No
On 3 October 2010 09:58, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
> 2010/10/2 Ahmad Samir :
>> On 2 October 2010 21:50, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>>> Le 2 octobre 2010 17:52, Nicolas Lécureuil a
>>> écrit :
2010/10/2 Fabrice Facorat
>
> 2010/10/1 Sinner from the Prairy :
> > Fabrice Faco
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:12:06 +0200 (CEST), Tux99 wrote about Re:
[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github:
>It would be great if we could have Rafael Garcia-Suarez contributing to
>Mageia.
If that is a good idea (I'm not saying it isn't!), than I c
Quote: Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 10:18
>
> An old but interresting about interview for Mandriva's tools in perl:
> http://www.perl.com/pub/2005/02/24/mandrakelinux.html
Thanks for posting this that interview is very interesting.
It would be great if we could have Rafael
An old but interresting about interview for Mandriva's tools in perl:
http://www.perl.com/pub/2005/02/24/mandrakelinux.html
--
Dimitrios Glentadakis
2010/10/2 Ahmad Samir :
> On 2 October 2010 21:50, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>> Le 2 octobre 2010 17:52, Nicolas Lécureuil a
>> écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/10/2 Fabrice Facorat
2010/10/1 Sinner from the Prairy :
> Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>>
> Mandriva tries that, with look'n'feel c
On 2 October 2010 21:50, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
> Le 2 octobre 2010 17:52, Nicolas Lécureuil a
> écrit :
>>
>>
>> 2010/10/2 Fabrice Facorat
>>>
>>> 2010/10/1 Sinner from the Prairy :
>>> > Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>
>>> > Mandriva tries that, with look'n'feel consistent on MCC, KDE and Gnome.
>>>
Le 2 octobre 2010 17:52, Nicolas Lécureuil a écrit :
>
>
> 2010/10/2 Fabrice Facorat
>>
>> 2010/10/1 Sinner from the Prairy :
>> > Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>> > Mandriva tries that, with look'n'feel consistent on MCC, KDE and Gnome.
>> > draketools work on TUI or GUI. They work well.
>>
>> some to
2010/10/2 Fabrice Facorat
> 2010/10/1 Sinner from the Prairy :
> > Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>
>
> > But the ones they have: work great, are integrated with the rest of the
> > ecosystem, are user-friendly and they are aesthetically pleasant.
> >
> > By focusing on 90% of specs and getting them to b
2010/10/1 Sinner from the Prairy :
> Fabrice Facorat wrote:
> But the ones they have: work great, are integrated with the rest of the
> ecosystem, are user-friendly and they are aesthetically pleasant.
>
> By focusing on 90% of specs and getting them to be 95% perfect, instead of
> having 100% of
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Sinner from the Prairy <
sinnerb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>
> > 2010/10/1 Romain d'Alverny
> > :
> (...)
> >> Both (substance, appearance) are crucial. If you only consider one
> >> without balancing, making it consistent with the other, you're
Le 2010-10-01 09:20, Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:15, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
2010/10/1 Tux99:
Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me.
again you're somewhat wrong
iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but
they have better appearance
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 21:30, Sinner from the Prairy
wrote:
> Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>
>> I'm still amazed by the technicals limits of the iPhone, and how
>> people can still want to buy them ... same for iPod ...
>>
>> iPod : no mp3, no FM radio, no USB mass storage support
>> iPhone : no standar
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
>
> I don't want an iPod or an iPhone.
>
I do but they're so expensive :P
--
Juancho
Fabrice Facorat wrote:
> 2010/10/1 Romain d'Alverny
> :
(...)
>> Both (substance, appearance) are crucial. If you only consider one
>> without balancing, making it consistent with the other, you're not
>> going down the right path. The interface, the whole experience with it
>> is the product.
>
2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud
> On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin wrote:
> > But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,
> > because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push
> > incremental patchsets.
>
> It's easier for us developers but more difficult fo
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 09:43, Olivier Blin wrote:
> Thierry Vignaud writes:
>
>> On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin wrote:
>>> But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,
>>> because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push
>>> incremental patchsets.
>>
Thierry Vignaud writes:
> On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin wrote:
>> But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,
>> because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push
>> incremental patchsets.
>
> It's easier for us developers but more difficult for tra
2010/10/1 Samuel Verschelde :
>
> Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 15:15:26, Fabrice Facorat a écrit :
>> iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but
>> they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about
>> appearance ) and so are successful.
>>
>
> I don't want an iPod o
2010/10/1 Romain d'Alverny :
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:15, Fabrice Facorat
> wrote:
>> 2010/10/1 Tux99 :
>>> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me.
>>
>> again you're somewhat wrong
>>
>> iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but
>> they have better appearan
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:15, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
> 2010/10/1 Tux99 :
>> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me.
>
> again you're somewhat wrong
>
> iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but
> they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about
> app
Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 15:15:26, Fabrice Facorat a écrit :
> iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but
> they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about
> appearance ) and so are successful.
>
I don't want an iPod or an iPhone.
2010/10/1 Tux99 :
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>
>> This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the
>> Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes
>> buggy.
>> The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we
>> should as
On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin wrote:
> But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,
> because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push
> incremental patchsets.
It's easier for us developers but more difficult for translators that
learned to use SVN (
> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me.
Of course, but we must not be "closed minds". Yes, maybe from the
developers POV or from advanced user POV or some "geek" POV, the
appearance isn't too important.
But common people (and my self) like "pretty things". Even when the
eye-candy isn
P.S: cc'ing in both cooker and mageia lists is not a good idea as many
people are not on both lists so the discussion will just split in two
Ooops, Tux99, it also looks like your post has broken the thread on the
dev side.
The thread probably best belongs on the dev mailist.
Marc
Oops a
Le 2010-10-01 07:23, Tux99 a écrit :
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the
Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes
buggy.
The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we
shoul
Le vendredi 01 octobre 2010 à 12:52 +0200, Olivier Blin a écrit :
> Fabrice Facorat writes:
>
> > 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease
> > fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to
> > have a Mandriva account )
>
> Why host them external
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
> This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the
> Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes
> buggy.
> The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we
> should ask ourself : are we going t
2010/10/1 Marc Paré :
>
>>
>> Somehow I have a feeling this thread will be a deja vu of the rpm vs.
>> deb thread...
>>
>>
>
> Yes, the magic of mailists strikes again. And of course, the same arguments
> will be restated again because people can not browse back to the previous
> arguments. In a lo
Somehow I have a feeling this thread will be a deja vu of the rpm vs.
deb thread...
Yes, the magic of mailists strikes again. And of course, the same
arguments will be restated again because people can not browse back to
the previous arguments. In a lot of cases, "Déjà vu" could almost be
Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:38:31 +0200 письмо от Fabrice Facorat
:
> 3. A decision will have to be made concerning net_applet and NetworkManager
I do not see why they should exclude each other. network-scripts/NM
coexist in Fedora; Fedora ifup will request NM to start interface
if required; if NM is no
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Marc Paré wrote:
> Just speaking from the "user" point of view. Let us not lose sight that
> one of the strong points of Mandriva/Mageia is the use of the MCC.
> Having all the controls under one title and well integrated is what
> really distinguishes Mandriva from the othe
Le 2010-10-01 06:38, Fabrice Facorat a écrit :
I've been following closely all the Mandriva vs Mageia story. I found
it unfortunate that we have to come to this way, but I guess there's a
serious fracture between Mandriva and part of its community. We have
no choice except to cope with this and t
Fabrice Facorat writes:
> 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease
> fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to
> have a Mandriva account )
Why host them externally?
A self-hosted "forge" is probably better.
But actually, just moving to git
I've been following closely all the Mandriva vs Mageia story. I found
it unfortunate that we have to come to this way, but I guess there's a
serious fracture between Mandriva and part of its community. We have
no choice except to cope with this and try to do our best to allow
this unfortunate situa
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