Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-18 Thread andre999
Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 10 June 2011 13:44, Wolfgang Bornathmolc...@googlemail.com wrote: 2011/6/10 Michael Schererm...@zarb.org: We have used backports in the past for that, and I see no reason to change that. If the problem is that backports were too buggy in the past, then we should

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-11 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote: We can agree that everybody want something newer for some rpms, but few people want everything to be newer ( ie, now one run backports as a update media, I think ). So as much as I am against asking to users questions, we must show them the choice

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-11 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le samedi 11 juin 2011 12:06:55, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit : On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote: We can agree that everybody want something newer for some rpms, but few people want everything to be newer ( ie, now one run backports as a update media, I think ). So as much as I am

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-11 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 13:14:29 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le samedi 11 juin 2011 12:06:55, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit : On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote: We can agree that everybody want something newer for some rpms, but few people want everything to be newer ( ie, now one

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-11 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le samedi 11 juin 2011 14:26:19, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 13:14:29 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le samedi 11 juin 2011 12:06:55, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit : On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote: We can agree that everybody want something newer for some

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-11 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 16:55:00 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le samedi 11 juin 2011 14:26:19, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 13:14:29 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le samedi 11 juin 2011 12:06:55, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit : On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-11 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le samedi 11 juin 2011 18:01:54, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 16:55:00 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le samedi 11 juin 2011 14:26:19, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 13:14:29 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le samedi 11 juin 2011 12:06:55, Christiaan

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-11 Thread andre999
Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le samedi 11 juin 2011 18:01:54, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 16:55:00 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le samedi 11 juin 2011 14:26:19, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 13:14:29 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le samedi 11

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 09/06/11 17:42 did gyre and gimble: On 9 June 2011 14:22, Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com wrote: Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com schrieb am 09.06.2011 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: I think updates

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 10:56:35, Colin Guthrie a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 09/06/11 17:42 did gyre and gimble: On 9 June 2011 14:22, Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com wrote: Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com schrieb am 09.06.2011 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process)

2011-06-10 Thread Michael Scherer
Le jeudi 09 juin 2011 à 10:14 +0100, Colin Guthrie a écrit : Hi, As I upgrade my various machines (I only really have about 5, so not that many) I'm running into a few packages that are missing (this is inevitable). Nothing major just little things like trac and supybot etc. What is

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 09:56 +0100, Colin Guthrie a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 09/06/11 17:42 did gyre and gimble: But if new package can go directly to updates.. that doesn't look right to me, because at which point will new packages stop going to a stable release

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 10/06/11 11:29 did gyre and gimble: Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 09:56 +0100, Colin Guthrie a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 09/06/11 17:42 did gyre and gimble: But if new package can go directly to updates.. that doesn't look right to me,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 10/06/11 11:27 did gyre and gimble: Le jeudi 09 juin 2011 à 10:14 +0100, Colin Guthrie a écrit : Hi, As I upgrade my various machines (I only really have about 5, so not that many) I'm running into a few packages that are missing (this is inevitable).

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Colin Guthrie
[Didn't finish this sentence] 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 10/06/11 11:44 did gyre and gimble: I don't think this is particularly relevant. Backports are unsupported generally. That's a given. If we encourage people to enable backports to get missing packages (this is very distinct and

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process)

2011-06-10 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/10 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org: We have used backports in the past for that, and I see no reason to change that. If the problem is that backports were too buggy in the past, then we should fix backports process, not bypassing them. And if we start by pushing new version in update,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Thomas Backlund
Wolfgang Bornath skrev 10.6.2011 14:44: 2011/6/10 Michael Schererm...@zarb.org: We have used backports in the past for that, and I see no reason to change that. If the problem is that backports were too buggy in the past, then we should fix backports process, not bypassing them. And if we

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Oliver Burger
Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org schrieb am 10.06.2011 So the path would then be */updates_testing - */updates _if_ we decide that's the way to go... As I see it, it's the only user friendly way. Using backports is fine for experienced users who do know what to install from backports or who are

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 11:44 +0100, Colin Guthrie a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 10/06/11 11:27 did gyre and gimble: Le jeudi 09 juin 2011 à 10:14 +0100, Colin Guthrie a écrit : Hi, As I upgrade my various machines (I only really have about 5, so not that many) I'm

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 14:21 +0200, Oliver Burger a écrit : Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org schrieb am 10.06.2011 So the path would then be */updates_testing - */updates _if_ we decide that's the way to go... As I see it, it's the only user friendly way. Using backports is fine for

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread James Kerr
On 10/06/11 13:54, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 14:21 +0200, Oliver Burger a écrit : Thomas Backlundt...@mageia.org schrieb am 10.06.2011 So the path would then be */updates_testing - */updates _if_ we decide that's the way to go... As I see it, it's the only user

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread James Kerr
On 10/06/11 15:09, James Kerr wrote: On 10/06/11 13:54, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 14:21 +0200, Oliver Burger a écrit : Thomas Backlundt...@mageia.org schrieb am 10.06.2011 So the path would then be */updates_testing - */updates _if_ we decide that's the way to go...

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Oliver Burger
James Kerr j...@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk schrieb am 10.06.2011 Even though backports are disabled rpmdrake can display a list of available backports. (The sources are automatically updated by mgaonline.) I make you parden, but: no! When a repo is disabled it doesn't get updated

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread James Kerr
On 10/06/11 15:27, Oliver Burger wrote: James Kerrj...@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk schrieb am 10.06.2011 Even though backports are disabled rpmdrake can display a list of available backports. (The sources are automatically updated by mgaonline.) I make you parden, but: no! When a repo is

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 10/06/11 13:51 did gyre and gimble: Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 11:44 +0100, Colin Guthrie a écrit : So the user that just wants to install supybot has to expose themselves to the risk of updating to a backported version of gnome or KDE this is hardly

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 16:27 +0200, Oliver Burger a écrit : James Kerr j...@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk schrieb am 10.06.2011 Even though backports are disabled rpmdrake can display a list of available backports. (The sources are automatically updated by mgaonline.) I make you parden,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op vrijdag 10 juni 2011 17:18:54 schreef Michael Scherer: [...] UI wise, I think it would make sense to have that ( even if a idea is not sufficient, and we need a patch ) : User search for a package, he should see the latest recommended version ( ie, release/updates ). If he say also

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process)

2011-06-10 Thread nicolas vigier
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote: release is obviously frozen so no go there. The only real option is updates, but that should obviously have some QA on it. Updates is not for new version of software, not for new softwares. And backporting something from cauldron is not a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 10 June 2011 16:46, James Kerr j...@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk wrote: On 10/06/11 15:27, Oliver Burger wrote: James Kerrj...@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk  schrieb am 10.06.2011 Even though backports are disabled rpmdrake can display a list of available backports. (The sources are

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Anssi Hannula
On 10.06.2011 17:28, Thorsten van Lil wrote: Am 10.06.2011 16:09, schrieb James Kerr: On 10/06/11 13:54, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 14:21 +0200, Oliver Burger a écrit : Thomas Backlundt...@mageia.org schrieb am 10.06.2011 So the path would then be */updates_testing -

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process)

2011-06-10 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 10 June 2011 13:44, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: 2011/6/10 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org: We have used backports in the past for that, and I see no reason to change that. If the problem is that backports were too buggy in the past, then we should fix backports process,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread andre999
James Kerr a écrit : On 10/06/11 15:09, James Kerr wrote: On 10/06/11 13:54, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 14:21 +0200, Oliver Burger a écrit : Thomas Backlundt...@mageia.org schrieb am 10.06.2011 So the path would then be */updates_testing - */updates _if_ we decide

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread James Kerr
On 10/06/11 22:44, andre999 wrote: James Kerr a écrit : On 10/06/11 15:09, James Kerr wrote: On 10/06/11 13:54, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 14:21 +0200, Oliver Burger a écrit : Thomas Backlundt...@mageia.org schrieb am 10.06.2011 So the path would then be

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread andre999
James Kerr a écrit : On 10/06/11 22:44, andre999 wrote: James Kerr a écrit : On 10/06/11 15:09, James Kerr wrote: On 10/06/11 13:54, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 14:21 +0200, Oliver Burger a écrit : Thomas Backlundt...@mageia.org schrieb am 10.06.2011 So the path

[Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process)

2011-06-09 Thread Colin Guthrie
Hi, As I upgrade my various machines (I only really have about 5, so not that many) I'm running into a few packages that are missing (this is inevitable). Nothing major just little things like trac and supybot etc. What is the best way to add these packages to the v1 tree? Using backports

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process)

2011-06-09 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op donderdag 09 juni 2011 11:14:21 schreef Colin Guthrie: Hi, As I upgrade my various machines (I only really have about 5, so not that many) I'm running into a few packages that are missing (this is inevitable). Nothing major just little things like trac and supybot etc. What is the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process)

2011-06-09 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote: otoh, perhaps a missing package is also a bugfix... maybe we could file bug reports for missing packages and go through the updates route... Filing bug reports is not a bad idea, even if the new package will go to backports. Just explain a little

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-09 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 09/06/11 10:40 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote: otoh, perhaps a missing package is also a bugfix... maybe we could file bug reports for missing packages and go through the updates route... Filing bug reports is not a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-09 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/9 Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie: 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 09/06/11 10:40 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote: otoh, perhaps a missing package is also a bugfix... maybe we could file bug reports for missing packages and go through the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-09 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 09/06/11 11:03 did gyre and gimble: 2011/6/9 Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie: 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 09/06/11 10:40 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote: otoh, perhaps a missing package is also a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-09 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 09/06/11 10:40 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote: otoh, perhaps a missing package is also a bugfix... maybe we could file bug reports for

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-09 Thread Sander Lepik
09.06.2011 15:13, Dexter Morgan kirjutas: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Colin Guthriemag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 09/06/11 10:40 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote: otoh, perhaps a missing package is also a bugfix...

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-09 Thread Oliver Burger
Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com schrieb am 09.06.2011 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: I think updates would be the right place. Please no 3rd repo :) But i agree with you for updates for new packages ( no new versions ;) ) I would prefer

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-09 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 9 June 2011 14:22, Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com wrote: Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com schrieb am 09.06.2011 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: I think updates would be the right place. Please no 3rd repo :) But i agree with you

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-09 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 9 June 2011 14:17, Sander Lepik sander.le...@eesti.ee wrote: 09.06.2011 15:13, Dexter Morgan kirjutas: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Colin Guthriemag...@colin.guthr.ie  wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 09/06/11 10:40 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Maarten