Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3

2013-07-08 Thread Franck Martin
Yes, these are options and they should be off. It is important when you introduce options, you do not change past behavior automatically. 1) may not be necessary, if mailman recognizes the bounce message as in section http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kucherawy-dmarc-base-00#section-15.8 eg 550

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3

2013-07-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Franck Martin writes: If the From: contains the posting email of the mailing list, one would think that the default becomes reply to the list, but this is where Reply-To: can be used. Most users do not display Reply-To; many cannot (at least not at their level of technical skill). This

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3

2013-07-08 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Franck Martin fra...@peachymango.orgwrote: 1) may not be necessary, if mailman recognizes the bounce message as in section http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kucherawy-dmarc-base-00#section-15.8 eg 550 5.7.1 Email rejected per DMARC policy for example.com and

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3

2013-07-08 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:01 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.orgwrote: PS: Stephen, Murray does not work for Google, and therefore cannot change the way gmail works. I'm aware of that. I was ribbing him for his choice of mailbox at Gamil. He obviously thinks it's funny; nobody

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3

2013-07-08 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org To: Franck Martin fra...@peachymango.org Cc: Mailman Developers Mailman-Developers@python.org Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 2:01:43 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3 Franck

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3

2013-07-08 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Murray S. Kucherawy superu...@gmail.com To: Franck Martin fra...@peachymango.org Cc: Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org, Mailman Developers Mailman-Developers@python.org Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 6:57:03 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3

2013-07-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 07/08/2013 08:34 AM, Franck Martin wrote: I suspect this process has been improved in MM3, but I have not had a look at the code. The purpose is for mailman to recognize 5.7.x bounces and not count them against the recipient (or as soft bounce). Hard bounce is the default for any non

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3

2013-07-08 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net To: Franck Martin fra...@peachymango.org Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 10:37:01 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3 On 07/08/2013 08:34 AM, Franck Martin wrote: I suspect this process has

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3

2013-07-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 07/08/2013 10:52 AM, Franck Martin wrote: I see in MM2 that regex are used to classify the bounces: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/files/head:/Mailman/Bouncers/ Yes and no. Bounce processing in the non-VERP case works by processing the DSN through a series of

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Adding DMARC support for Mailman 3

2013-07-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Franck Martin writes: This is speculation, I said so myself. The fact that I'm paranoid just means I've read Bellovin and Cheswick. and broad fear of the future... No, it's an extrapolation of my own occasional experience, and the frequent pain of others that I see on this list, and the