Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 20, 2011, at 07:04 PM, Andrew wrote: I am sure very free software developer has the Mailman mailing list web page imprinted into their mind, however after looking at it for the thousandth time, I thought that there is a lot of uneeded information on a page where there doesn't need to be.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 21, 2011, at 09:43 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: No, you need to be able to unsubscribe without logging in. A mailback mechanism should be usable. I can't tell you how irritating it is that I can't do this on Apache mailing lists, where I'm subscribed using an address that I can't send email

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Andrew
Hi Benedict, On 20/06/11 20:41, Benedict Stein wrote: HI Andrew - you're absolutely right that something new is needed :-) Good news for you is that there is already work in progress, community has collected some thoughts on the wiki, Anna begun Coding something last year, and florian helps

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Andrew
Hi Terri, On 20/06/11 23:43, Terri Oda wrote: Benedict already gave you a response about the summer of code project in progress... I encourage you to get involved with that! For one, your mockups are certainly pretty and I suspect your design input would be much appreciated for making

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Benedict Stein
I'd suggest if we have this kind of subcription page for each list we could change the subscribe button to unsubscribe once a user is logged in - and add a small link if he's not logged in. Am Montag, den 20.06.2011, 18:43 -0400 schrieb Terri Oda: Benedict already gave you a response about the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Ian Eiloart
On 21 Jun 2011, at 09:14, Benedict Stein wrote: I'd suggest if we have this kind of subcription page for each list we could change the subscribe button to unsubscribe once a user is logged in - and add a small link if he's not logged in. No, you need to be able to unsubscribe without

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Andrew
On 21/06/11 09:31, David Andrews wrote: I presume the page is graphical because as a blind, screen reader using person, I got nothing out of it. Remember accessibility! Sure absolutely, this is just a image mockup to see what everyone thinks, it goes without saying that accessibility would

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Andrew
On 21/06/11 10:43, Ian Eiloart wrote: On 21 Jun 2011, at 09:14, Benedict Stein wrote: I'd suggest if we have this kind of subcription page for each list we could change the subscribe button to unsubscribe once a user is logged in - and add a small link if he's not logged in. No, you

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Terri Oda
Andrew wrote: That sounds good I shall add the mockups to the wiki page (however currently I cannot edit it, does someone need to give me permissions?) Yes, to control wiki spam you have to ask for permission before you can write documents. I've given your account authorial permissions so

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 06/21/2011 11:46 AM, Andrew wrote: On 21/06/11 09:31, David Andrews wrote: I presume the page is graphical because as a blind, screen reader using person, I got nothing out of it. Remember accessibility! Sure absolutely, this is just a image mockup to see what everyone thinks, it goes

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Benedict Stein
Personally i prefer a HTML / CSS solution as well, and that's what we stick to atm - but only drafting :-) Am Dienstag, den 21.06.2011, 11:52 -0400 schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor: On 06/21/2011 11:46 AM, Andrew wrote: On 21/06/11 09:31, David Andrews wrote: I presume the page is graphical

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Andrew
On 21/06/11 16:51, Terri Oda wrote: Andrew wrote: That sounds good I shall add the mockups to the wiki page (however currently I cannot edit it, does someone need to give me permissions?) Yes, to control wiki spam you have to ask for permission before you can write documents. I've given

[Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew
Hi, I am sure very free software developer has the Mailman mailing list web page imprinted into their mind, however after looking at it for the thousandth time, I thought that there is a lot of uneeded information on a page where there doesn't need to be. Anyway I tried to improve it and the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-20 Thread Benedict Stein
HI Andrew - you're absolutely right that something new is needed :-) Good news for you is that there is already work in progress, community has collected some thoughts on the wiki, Anna begun Coding something last year, and florian helps me to create a new designed Django WebUI for Mailman 3.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-20 Thread Terri Oda
Benedict already gave you a response about the summer of code project in progress... I encourage you to get involved with that! For one, your mockups are certainly pretty and I suspect your design input would be much appreciated for making nicer Mailman themes. However, at a glance I see