Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-21 Thread Paul Hoffman / IMC
At 9:19 AM -0400 7/8/03, Barry Warsaw wrote: The data we use: - the str() of the output of random.random() - the str() of the server's current time - the str() of the content and we concatenate these three strings together before hashing them. I'm not sitting in front of the source code for

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-21 Thread Paul Hoffman / IMC
At 4:39 PM -0400 7/10/03, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 15:35, Paul Hoffman / IMC wrote: - Can random.random() run out of randomness? That is, if you bombard the machine with requests that call random.random(), will it start sending out predictable responses? Any pseudo random

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 15:35, Paul Hoffman / IMC wrote: - Can random.random() run out of randomness? That is, if you bombard the machine with requests that call random.random(), will it start sending out predictable responses? Any pseudo random number generate can, right? Python 2.2's RNG

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 15:54, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: My worry, of course, is that the e-mail community has had a tendency to see mail-back validation as the solution to many problems (and it is, just not as globally as some might hope) --- but I don't think the community has ever stopped

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-09 Thread Nigel Metheringham
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 17:53, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 11:00, Nigel Metheringham wrote: One thing that could be considered to protect ourselves against such attacks if there was a way of reducing the complexity to reasonable levels, would be to drop pending subscription

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 01:49, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: So I'm worried that someone's figured out how to circumvent yahoo's confirmation process. I wanted to bring this up with Yahoo, but they evidently weren't interested. Okay, so /that/ sucks. (and the reason I'm posting this to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-08 Thread Nigel Metheringham
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 13:36, Barry Warsaw wrote: I'd think that because three of the UserDesc components come directly from the subscribee, it would be very difficult to guess the UserDesc repr, /aside/ from the difficulty of guessing the random float and timestamp. Since it looks like the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-08 Thread Nigel Metheringham
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 15:32, Barry Warsaw wrote: [Removing list-managers from the recipients] You took off mailman-developers too... I've put that one back. :-) On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 08:54, Nigel Metheringham wrote: Since it looks like the attacker in this case generated an initial

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 11:00, Nigel Metheringham wrote: One thing that could be considered to protect ourselves against such attacks if there was a way of reducing the complexity to reasonable levels, would be to drop pending subscription requests after a couple (think of an appropriate

[Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-07 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
well, I was promised more than once that yahoo security was going to contact me, and nobody ever did. Ohwell. here's the issue: it looks to me like someone's figured out Yahoo's confirmation protocol. First, we got (edited for brevity): From: Yahoo! Groups