Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-05 Thread Mark Sapiro
Terri Oda wrote: > >I was thinking that it'd be best replaced with timed >email-authorization things, the way you can currently unsubscribe >without a password. I don't know how long the timeout on those things >are, but having it send you an email with a link to the archives or >your options

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-04 Thread Terri Oda
On Mar 4, 2005, at 8:06 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: I think we have to prioritize things and decide what can feasibly be looked at to fix in the 2.x tree, and what's going to have to wait for mm3. ... and all of this is a moot point until we see what people actually want in the way of improved inte

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-04 Thread Brad Knowles
At 3:56 PM -0500 2005-03-04, Terri Oda wrote: Fixing some of the interface issues is probably easier in 3 (a lot of the way in which we handle list member preferences, especially) but I wouldn't be adverse to making changes in the 2.1 series if doing so looks feasible and we aren't going to cau

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-04 Thread Dale Newfield
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:50:19 -0500 "Terri Oda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm confused... do you feel it's the interface and ease of use of that >interface that makes google groups more of a source of spam, or is this >just a general comment about the disadvantages of their system? > >I'm just tr

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-04 Thread Terri Oda
On Mar 4, 2005, at 5:50 AM, Fil wrote: But I still find it too complex; we should get rid of the password thing. People just nedd to know where they can see more options. I've been thinking a bunch about this since it was mentioned as a security problem a while back, and the more I think about it

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-04 Thread Terri Oda
On Mar 4, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Tobias Eigen wrote: Waiting for MM3 might be too long for me - I am in the process of overhauling Kabissa's interfaces and integrating them, and need to be making more rapid progress on making Mailman work for me or replacing it with something easier. Fixing some of t

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-04 Thread Terri Oda
On Mar 4, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Dale Newfield wrote: There are important tradeoffs to consider. My only interaction with google groups is that I now receive about 150 pieces of spam from them every day. I am unable to stem this, and google won't help me to do so. As a result I have added a .procm

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-04 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:54 AM -0500 2005-03-04, Tobias Eigen wrote: BTW, for those (like Kabissa) considering non-open source options, I see that Jive Forums has an "email gateway" that can handle Mailman integration and MBOX importing. http://www.jivesoftware.com - they have a nonprofit license option that is in

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-04 Thread Dale Newfield
Tobias Eigen wrote: I'm really impressed with Googlegroups. There are important tradeoffs to consider. My only interaction with google groups is that I now receive about 150 pieces of spam from them every day. I am unable to stem this, and google won't help me to do so. As a result I have add

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-04 Thread Tobias Eigen
Hi all, I'm glad to see this thread continuing. I agree completely with Terri, Fil and Joost. I'm really impressed with Googlegroups.. I used it recently and it works well from a usability standpoint. I think Joost has hit the nail on the head about how Mailman works well if you want to und

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-04 Thread Fil
> Same here. I am considering writing a wrapper in front of the admin > pages, with _lots_ of buttons removed. (Don't hold your breath for > that, though.) Perhaps a newbie/expert toggle on the interface would be > helpful. Lots of listadmins at the site here are overwhelmed by the > sheer _amo

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-04 Thread Joost van Baal
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 01:38:38PM -0500, Terri Oda wrote: > On Feb 16, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Tobias Eigen wrote: > >I'm sorry to say it, but Mailman's web interfaces are extremely > >daunting and confusing. > >And we're only talking about the frontend (listinfo interface) here > >now, not even the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Usability

2005-03-03 Thread Brad Knowles
At 1:38 PM -0500 2005-03-03, Terri Oda wrote: The biggest one is the seperate-logins-for-all-lists sort of stuff. Many user don't understand (or care) that this reflects our (now seemingly flawed) architecture, and telling them "that's just the way it was designed" is kinda lame when it's clear