Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Jeff Breidenbach wrote: Maybe a way to think about this is that the canonical url is based on the message-id, but then there's some way to distill even this down to a tinyurl or simple integer that would be stable in

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 4, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Dale Newfield wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: Maybe a way to think about this is that the canonical url is based on the message-id, but then there's some way to distill even this down to a tinyurl or simple integer that

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 8, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Paul Wise wrote: My personal opinion is that pipermail should be removed and mailman should not contain a default archiver since there are plenty of good archivers already (lurker, mhonarc etc). Adding wrappers around

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: John A. Martin writes: In the absence of a Message-ID on an outgoing mail message many if not most MTAs will add one. Why not let Mailman anticipate the need to add a Message-ID when

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 5, 2007, at 12:09 PM, John Dennis wrote: A little over a year ago I went on a search to find the best open source archiver and at that time I came up with Lurker (http://lurker.sourceforge.net) Since then I believe Lurker has seen a

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: First, I want to avoid talking about file system layout. To me, that's an implementation detail we needn't worry about right now. Agreed. How likely is it that two messages with the same message-id and date are /not/ duplicates? For message id generators that

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: Second, things can happen to a list that might cause this sequence number to get corrupted. Add an X-Mailman-Sequence-Number header if not already present. That doesn't deal with your other comments, but as I point out elsewhere, if you don't use *any*

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 20, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: How likely is it that two messages with the same message-id and date are /not/ duplicates? For message id generators that include a time-stamp in the generated id, approximately the same as

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Nigel Metheringham
... lacking in vigor.. BTW lurker gives all messages an ID which is 3 parts separated by periods. The first part is a date field - ie 20070720, the second part is the receive time, UTC, as 6 digits, and the final part is some form of hex id. The nice part is if you quote just the first (or first 2) parts

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
? The ML appears... lacking in vigor.. BTW lurker gives all messages an ID which is 3 parts separated by periods. The first part is a date field - ie 20070720, the second part is the receive time, UTC, as 6 digits, and the final part is some form of hex id. The nice part is if you quote just

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 20, 2007, at 9:31 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Barry Warsaw writes: Second, things can happen to a list that might cause this sequence number to get corrupted. Add an X-Mailman-Sequence-Number header if not already present. That

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Nigel Metheringham
On 20 Jul 2007, at 15:26, Barry Warsaw wrote: BTW lurker gives all messages an ID which is 3 parts separated by periods. The first part is a date field - ie 20070720, the second part is the receive time, UTC, as 6 digits, and the final part is some form of hex id. The nice part is if you

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nigel, On Jul 20, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Nigel Metheringham wrote: On 20 Jul 2007, at 15:26, Barry Warsaw wrote: BTW lurker gives all messages an ID which is 3 parts separated by periods. The first part is a date field - ie 20070720, the second

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Nigel Metheringham
On 20 Jul 2007, at 15:52, Barry Warsaw wrote: Mailman gets the From_ line before passing off to the archiver. But that's interesting, does lurker /require/ the From_ line? Well lurker handles Maildir - no From_ but the same info is in the filename, and it can take messages on stdin

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 20, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Nigel Metheringham wrote: On 20 Jul 2007, at 15:52, Barry Warsaw wrote: Mailman gets the From_ line before passing off to the archiver. But that's interesting, does lurker /require/ the From_ line? Well lurker

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Improving the archives

2007-07-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: But it would have to be subject to the same bounce rules as any other auto-response which could be used as a spam vector, e.g. limit the number of bounces per time period and don't include the entire original message in the bounce But that prevents detecting a

[Mailman-Developers] Potential solution to protecting email addresses in archive...

2007-07-20 Thread Dale Newfield
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman roadmap

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It's catch up on email day! On Jul 9, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: WRT 3.0, for enterprise and education purposes, it's important to be able to hook into existing authentication and authorisation mechanisms. For us, that means LDAP

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman roadmap

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 9, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: These sound like sensible plans and I'm curious about what 2.2 and 3.0 will bring. However, my question is whether we can expect some 2.1.x releases in the short term (like 2.1.10 you

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman roadmap

2007-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 9, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Arne Schwabe wrote: At our University we developed a customized mini Interface called 'simple' Interface. The normal mailman Interface is still there, called 'expert admin'. A (non working) demo is here: