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> Barry Warsaw
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 4:54 PM
> To: Monica Chew
> Cc: Terri Oda; mailman-developers@python.org
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On 12/06/11 11:17, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
It depends on your expectations. If there's an expectation that the author's
signature will/should/must persist through a mailing list, then I agree that
they're largely incompatible. If on the other hand you intend for lists to
re-sign mail and
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> [mailto:mailman-developers-bounces+msk=cloudmark@python.org] On Behalf Of
> Terri Oda
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:36 AM
> To: mailman-developers@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Develope
On 12/5/2011 10:58 AM, Monica Chew wrote:
> For context, I work at Google on Gmail spam, and one of the things we've
> been doing as an anti-phishing measure is enforcing that mail from certain
> highly-phished domains must be signed with the DKIM key of the purported
> sender. We started this sev
On Dec 05, 2011, at 05:12 PM, Monica Chew wrote:
>> Mailman 3 supports list-styles, which in theory are composable. Coming up
>> with a good ui for that is a whole 'nuther issue, but the core could support
>> something like this fairly easily.
>
>Could you elaborate more? I couldn't turn up docum
On Dec 06, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>> I think this is the one big lesson from these discussions: DKIM is
>> mostly incompatible with mailing lists. Where the two must be
>> integrated, some usability will likely be compromised.
>
>It depends on your expectations. If there's
On Dec 06, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Terri Oda wrote:
>As a developer, this sounds the makings of one of those life-sucking projects
>you shouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole unless you're getting paid to define
>and defend a standard. There's no guarantee that anything we choose to do
>will ever be cons
Hi,
> users will balk at having the subject line tags removed, and many list
> owners will balk at having unsubscribe footers removed,
Agreed. OTOH, if this were yet another setting, it would be the list owner's
decision to use it or not.
> That said, we've talked a lot about having simplifi
Hi Terri,
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Terri Oda wrote:
> There were a lot of "it depends" in your email, so maybe I've mis-read, but
> it sounds to me like the long-term path of least user/list admin hassle for
> Mailman probably is to just re-sign the messages. Except that there's no
> sta
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 12/5/2011 10:58 AM, Monica Chew wrote:
>
>> For context, I work at Google on Gmail spam, and one of the things we've
>> been doing as an anti-phishing measure is enforcing that mail from certain
>> highly-phished domains must be signed with t
> My own personal feeling is that having lists re-sign messages is the best
> expectation to put forward. You're subscribed to a mailing list, so you trust
> that list much more than you trust the senders on that list. So having the
> mailing list site re-sign the outgoing messages seems to me to
Monica Chew wrote:
>
>In any case, a non-default setting is not going to solve the problem
>of senders from highly-phished domains to communicate with gmail and
>yahoo users through mailman. How would the list members even know to
>change this setting?
The same way they now know that they aren't
Monica Chew wrote:
>
>This is why Google Groups removes incoming DKIM signatures and
>re-signs, because chances that the original signature survives are
>vanishingly small given most people's list settings.
And it is fairly simple to configure a Mailman installation to do the
same, but this won't
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Monica Chew wrote:
>>
>>This is why Google Groups removes incoming DKIM signatures and
>>re-signs, because chances that the original signature survives are
>>vanishingly small given most people's list settings.
>
>
> And it is fairly simple to c
Barry Warsaw writes:
> My own personal feeling is that having lists re-sign messages is the best
> expectation to put forward. You're subscribed to a mailing list, so you
> trust
> that list much more than you trust the senders on that list.
But as Monica points out, sometimes you need to e
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