Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16

2013-09-13 Thread SM
Hi Franck, At 22:44 12-09-2013, Franck Martin wrote: In the upcoming mailman 2.1.16 there has been the introduction of the optional feature author_is_list Replace the sender with the list address to conform with policies like ADSP and DMARC. It replaces the poster's address in the From:

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16

2013-09-13 Thread Franck Martin
On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:30 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hi Franck, At 22:44 12-09-2013, Franck Martin wrote: In the upcoming mailman 2.1.16 there has been the introduction of the optional feature author_is_list Replace the sender with the list address to conform with policies like ADSP

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16

2013-09-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Franck Martin wrote: Unfortunately some list admins cannot edit mm_cfg.py (like CPANEL type install), therefore it would be nice to remove ALLOW_AUTHOR_IS_LIST or set it to Yes by default to let the list admin decide how he/she wants the list to behave. Otherwise the

[Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16

2013-09-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Franck Martin writes: In the upcoming mailman 2.1.16 there has been the introduction of the optional feature author_is_list Replace the sender Before you release, s/sender/author/, please. When discussing Internet email, sender != author. The name of the feature, author is list, is an

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16

2013-09-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: Franck has assured me that this feature can be useful even in the absence of the DNS and MTA changes necessary to DKIM sign outgoing list mail, That's nonsense. There's no reason to do this in the absence of correct DKIM signatures by Mailman or its MTA, and every

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16

2013-09-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 09/13/2013 08:06 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I will leave it to Mark for final decision on this, but my own opinion is that the mm_cfg.py option should stay. cPanel already customizes their Mailman installation, so I think they should set it to Yes when they upgrade their systems to 2.1.16.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16

2013-09-13 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net To: mailman-developers@python.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 11:31:44 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16 On 09/13/2013 08:06 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I will leave

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16

2013-09-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Franck Martin writes: we (the people using DMARC) have the opportunity to build adoption. Just trying to reduce adoption friction ;) The direction you're heading will *create* adoption friction. The only way you're going to be able to sell this to admins like me is to wait until our users

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16

2013-09-13 Thread Franck Martin
One may argue that since the list is modifying the message, it is now the new author of it, this proposal just make it more clearly. In an ideal world, lists should only forward the email, preserving the DKIM signature, but few lists are doing that except the notable exception of apache.org

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16

2013-09-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 09/13/2013 12:18 PM, Franck Martin wrote: Mailman breaks DKIM as soon as you add a footer or tag in the subject line, which a lot of lists do (including this one). Not necessarily. It depends on the DKIM signature and how much of the body is signed. Granted, you are correct in most