Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-25 Thread Ian Eiloart
Hi, That’s interesting. Is it a script that can be called from the command line? If so, maybe Exim could call it directly, instead of using an LMTP callout. On 20 Mar 2014, at 17:10, Jim Popovitch jim...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Ian Eiloart i...@sussex.ac.uk wrote:

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-25 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Ian Eiloart i...@sussex.ac.uk wrote: Hi, That's interesting. Is it a script that can be called from the command line? It is exactly a script that is called from the command line. Postfix spawn service listens on an IP and spawns a process, and returns the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 20, 2014, at 01:17 PM, Ian Eiloart wrote: For me, the big win for spam prevention with mailing lists is the restriction on posters: it’s what keeps mailing lists relatively spam free. Most sites don’t like to bounce messages that they’ve previously accepted, so that means that the spam

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-20 Thread Ian Eiloart
On 18 Mar 2014, at 19:12, Barry Warsaw ba...@list.org wrote: I see this was a private reply. Feel free to forward this on to the list if you want. Thanks, Barry. I’ll have a go at that if I get time. For me, the big win for spam prevention with mailing lists is the restriction on posters:

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-20 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Ian Eiloart i...@sussex.ac.uk wrote: For me, the big win for spam prevention with mailing lists is the restriction on posters: it's what keeps mailing lists relatively spam free. Most sites don't like to bounce messages that they've previously accepted, so

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-20 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Jim Popovitch jim...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Ian Eiloart i...@sussex.ac.uk wrote: For me, the big win for spam prevention with mailing lists is the restriction on posters: it's what keeps mailing lists relatively spam free. Most

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 17, 2014, at 02:34 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that rules should not have a rules_to_run_before_this_rule field, but it's OK if a chain rule_B, rule_A is buggy because rule_A should be run before rule_B? Of course we

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: I feel quite strongly that rules should be self-contained and unordered, with ordering imposed by the chain of links that rules are associated with. I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that rules should not have a

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 13, 2014, at 05:06 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I expressed myself poorly. The parameters of the decision logic given the list of senders are different for the two rules so both rules are needed. But I really think that determining the sender should be done in one place by one set of

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: I'm having a hard time right now seeing how we could continue to support these types of operations with a combined member and non-member rule. I expressed myself poorly. The parameters of the decision logic given the list of senders are different for the two rules so

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-12 Thread Aurelien Bompard
OK, I've opened a bug on Launchpad to attach my very basic implementation (plus a unit test). It's just 3 lines, it does not implement Stephen's suggestion (which is probably better but involves some refactoring). Here is the ticket: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1291452 I've tested it

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 12, 2014, at 01:43 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Offhand I'd say that having both a Member rule and a NonMember rule is a bad idea. There should be one conceptual test: can we identify a member as the originator of this post? Having Member and NonMember rules that can both succeed is

[Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-11 Thread Aurelien Bompard
Hey! I'd like to discuss what happens when an email is sent by both a member and a nonmember in Mailman3. How is that possible? Very easy, here's my use case : I have my own domain, say example.com, and for convenience and portability I choose to use Gmail as a server/storage/interface. My main

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 11, 2014, at 06:25 PM, Aurelien Bompard wrote: What do you think about all that? Do you agree there's actually an issue there? Any idea how to solve it? For example, make the NonMember rule exit if a member is found amongst the senders (which would simply be equivalent to making it yield

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/11/2014 03:14 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Mar 11, 2014, at 06:25 PM, Aurelien Bompard wrote: What do you think about all that? Do you agree there's actually an issue there? Any idea how to solve it? For example, make the NonMember rule exit if a member is found amongst the senders

[Mailman-Developers] Moderation rules priority

2014-03-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Aurelien Bompard writes: I'd like to discuss what happens when an email is sent by both a member and a nonmember in Mailman3. How is that possible? Very easy, here's my use case : I have my own domain, say example.com, and for convenience and portability I choose to use Gmail as a