Re: [Mailman-Developers] Is there a solution to this error logoutput?

2003-03-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 18:04, ljacobs wrote: Python 2.2.2, RedHat 7.1, Mailman 2.1. Since upgrading to Postfix 2.0.6 (although that may be unrelated to this problem) I have been unable to post to my Mailman 2.1 moderated lists. (I never had this problem before.) The vette file responds

[Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-checkins] mailman/Mailman ListAdmin.py,2.42,2.43

2003-03-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
Redirecting here from mailman-checkins... On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 03:30, Thomas Wouters wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 11:02:29PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 19:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fix another of Peer's annoying bugs: somehow his next_request_id ended up

Re: [Mailman-Developers] bin/remove_members userack

2003-03-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 16:55, Ricardo Kustner wrote: I just noticed that bin/remove_members turns on userack by default... even though it's supposed to use the list config setting Fixed in cvs. -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL

[Mailman-Developers] Experimental spambayes integration

2003-04-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
Back in January, I worked out this patch for Mailman/Spambayes integration. Simone finally prodded me to upload it so here it is: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=713522group_id=103atid=300103 I really only played with this on the train ride up and back and haven't

Re: [Mailman-Developers] translation update

2003-04-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 07:09, Mikhail Sobolev wrote: Lately I was not able to invest enough time to support the Russian translation. Now I think that I would be able to catch up with the latest changes (both sent to me by some Russian speaking users and working changes). However, I am not

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Weird problem with Mailman when using Phoenix

2003-04-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 17:08, Matthew Davis wrote: I've been using Mozilla 1.2.1 1.3 and mailman 2.1.1 for some time now with no problems. Just tested with phoenix 0.4 (dont have a copy of .5 right now, and it works with no problems. I generally test Mailman with Moz (1.2.1 and 1.3) on

Re: [Mailman-Developers] email address validation

2003-06-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 12:55, Hubbard, Matthew R W wrote: Dear All, I had a quick search and couldn't find much about this. I'm using Mailman 2.1.2. I've been looking through the add member code, specifically the InviteNewMember, AddMember and ApprovedAddMember functions. It has struck

Re: [Mailman-Developers] gpg again

2003-06-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sun, 2003-05-18 at 07:15, SteveC wrote: Please don't flame if I'm out of place, I'll go rtfm/etc but I googled for mailman+gpg and it came up with a bunch of old stuff on this list. from what I can see periodically someone would come along and say 'we want gpg support' but things don't

Re: [Mailman-Developers] semantic errorinmailmanctlline255(Mailman2.1.2)

2003-06-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 04:23, Oliver Egginger wrote: But further particulars: when I comment out the line 126 in mailmanctl the error messages go away. Here is the line LogStdErr('error', 'mailmanctl', manual_reprime=0) I execute this function call with python -v on command line

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mass subscription failed / R-sig-QAmailing list

2003-06-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 10:53, Martin Maechler wrote: I just tried again (needs a tiny bit longer when working from home), and it didn't work again -- when I tried to upload a file of new member addresses. However when I tried (the old way of) pasting the new members e-mails in to the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Is this a bug? (was semantic error...)

2003-06-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 13:27, Oliver Egginger wrote: meanwhile I set up a debian woody with MM 2.1.2, but I receive the same error messaes like under Mandrake 9.1. BTW, I use RH9 and 7.3, but I really don't think it makes any difference. What /might/ make a difference is using the distro's

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Is this a bug? (was semantic error...)

2003-06-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 11:14, Oliver Egginger wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: Python 2.2.3 was just released; maybe a from-source installation will solve the problem. Yes! After installing python 2.2.3 from source and let mailman run under this python version the error messages

Re: [Mailman-Developers] invite/confirm traceback

2003-06-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 23:11, Fil wrote: I'm experimenting an invite_members command-line script derived from the add_members script. It does send a request for confirmation, but the confirmation email does not get processed, and no traceback show up in the logs. However, if I try the web

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Is this a bug? (was semantic error...)

2003-06-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 13:52, Oliver Egginger wrote: So I think (in this case), it's likely rather a mailman/python (2.2.2) issue than a Mailman/Linux distro topic. Good thing Python 2.2.3 is out now, then! :) Maybe this is specific to my system, cause the configure scripts will produce

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problems with archiviing mbox's

2003-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 21:04, Simon Coggins wrote: I'm having a problem with the arch. I've tracked it down to the Mailbox class that uses PortableUnixMailbox. The problem is it's picking up ^From as a new message. Sendmail doesn't escape from lines now so they are throughout my archives. It

Re: [Mailman-Developers] invite/confirm traceback

2003-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 15:12, Fil wrote: Hint: if add_members could grow an 'invite' option... Wanna add that as a feature request? :) -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Mailman-Developers] modifying mailman's source

2003-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 17:53, Wesley T. Perdue wrote: All, I need to call an external script whenever a mailing list's membership changes. Why don't you modify OldStyleMemberships.py? If you want to feel more immune from future Mailman updates, I'd suggest subclassing from

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Unsubscribe link

2003-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 12:44, Tentra List Support wrote: I would like to generate a link in the footer of each email that would take the user directly to their options page so that, if they want to unsubscribe, they can do so with a maximum of two steps one to click to the page and one to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Browser stop button (revisited from 2.0.5??)

2003-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 08:03, Steve Lay wrote: I have a problem with the Mailman servers I run related to an issue which was discussed during the 2.0.4 to 2.0.5 transition some time ago. The problem relates to people who click the stop button on their browser while Mailman is doing its stuff.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] alternate root for mailman - part 2

2003-06-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 15:22, Marisa Riviere wrote: It seems that I find the answer to the first part of my question. I should include the line: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mail_man/' in mm_cfg.py as well. Please tell me if I need some thing else. Yes, this will work for new lists, but

Re: [Mailman-Developers] ssl for admin pages

2003-06-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 18:55, Donn Cave wrote: I added a parameter to ScriptURL(..., upgrade=0) and a couple of functions to deal with the protocol part of the URL (http vs. https.) The upgrade parameter indicates that the URL must be https. And then I had to change a few modules other than

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Using the correct host

2003-06-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 21:22, Ernest Christley wrote: I've been trying to set up a list behind my firewall on the local network. The machine hosting mailman uses 192.168.0.2 as a static IP, but the world sees me as ernest.isa-geek.org, the DNS entry I got through dyndns.org. If you try

Re: [Mailman-Developers] PROBLEM with Administrative Requests

2003-06-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 00:12, Kory Wheatley wrote: I've sent this email twice and no one has responded to this problem, I would really appreciate a response. I receive this below error when I go into the Administrative Interface and check Preserve messsages for the site administrator and

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Cutting Received: headers (John A.Martin)

2003-06-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 12:57, Tom Neff wrote: The purpose of the Received: trace field is to allow a mail administrator to identify and, if necessary, troubleshoot the relay path that a message followed before reaching his or her site (which might not even be the intended destination, mail

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Default link colors

2003-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2003-05-26 at 19:34, Tentra List Support wrote: I tryed change the default page and link colors by adding relevant fields in Default.py to mm_cfg.py. Changing all of the directives worked except for WEB_LINK_COLOR which did not result in a change. I found the offending error in

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Indirect Spam Vulnerability

2003-06-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 18:38, Matt Helsley wrote: I have two lists: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The spammer sends forged as [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mail gets held for approval and a message gets sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] informing it that the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] TMDA fronted Mailman v2.1 lists

2003-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 00:43, J C Lawrence wrote: ObNote2: TMDA as of v0.75 (latest .deb)is not able to read Mailman v2.1 list configurations to extract the membership rosters (the pickle now contains bounce objects so the naive cPickle.load fails). This doesn't create a major

[Mailman-Developers] Re: Tracebacks from Mailman v2.1 inDebian/Testing

2003-06-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 12:12, J C Lawrence wrote: Barry, Using the Debian 2.1.2-2 package I get the floowing tracebacks on attempted subscribes: File /var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main main() File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py, line 96, in main

Re: [Mailman-Developers] How hard would it be...

2003-07-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 19:35, Roger Lynn wrote: ld be really nice if this could also somehow work to enable non-subscribers browsing the archives to reply to specific posts (as I am doing now). I've no idea how this could be done though. The mailto: link in the archived messages includes a

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MySQL Support? Do tell!

2003-07-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 08:48, Kevin McCann wrote: Barry, you mentioned that Mailman can work with MySQL, just not out of the box. Can you expound on this? Or can anyone else? I'm about to do a lot of RD in this area and would like to tap into what other people know so far. Are we talking

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MySQL Support? Do tell!

2003-07-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 13:47, Charlie Clark wrote: Barry's explanation is pretty good but I think the integration with an ACID RDBMS is a little trickier than with BerkeleyDB and I think MySQL would not be a good choice for this. We have recently done our own RDBMS integration for a client

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 01:49, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: So I'm worried that someone's figured out how to circumvent yahoo's confirmation process. I wanted to bring this up with Yahoo, but they evidently weren't interested. Okay, so /that/ sucks. (and the reason I'm posting this to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 11:00, Nigel Metheringham wrote: One thing that could be considered to protect ourselves against such attacks if there was a way of reducing the complexity to reasonable levels, would be to drop pending subscription requests after a couple (think of an appropriate

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Storing additional user data

2003-07-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 09:19, Chris Boulter wrote: Does Mailman support the storage of any sort of user metadata? If not, would it be easyish to add? I'm not terribly familiar with Python, but it looks like I could add attributes to a class and then have them persisted by Python's

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Storing additional user data

2003-07-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 15:05, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: you risk turning mailman into yet another CMS, rather than allowing mailman to interconnect with all of the existing CMS's... the latter is a much easier and more powerful task. ...and is /definitely/ the direction Mailman 3 is going in.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Storing additional user data

2003-07-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 15:12, David Birnbaum wrote: It's easy enough to add members to the list and remove them from an external source, but it would be really nice if we could have Mailman call a program of our choice, with some arguments/environment variable/STDIN whenver it reacts to a

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Storing additional user data

2003-07-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 15:37, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: Zope should be one of the interfaces, definitely, but I really think it's time Mailman is interfaced with some non-Python tools so it can play better with the world beyond Python. It'll help it become that much more accepted Out There...

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 15:35, Paul Hoffman / IMC wrote: - Can random.random() run out of randomness? That is, if you bombard the machine with requests that call random.random(), will it start sending out predictable responses? Any pseudo random number generate can, right? Python 2.2's RNG

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible yahoogroups problem.

2003-07-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 15:54, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: My worry, of course, is that the e-mail community has had a tendency to see mail-back validation as the solution to many problems (and it is, just not as globally as some might hope) --- but I don't think the community has ever stopped

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Storing additional user data

2003-07-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 17:37, David Birnbaum wrote: Somewhat expensive, perhaps...BUT it has the advantage of being pretty quick to write and very simple for those who don't have the time, knowledge, or resources (#1 and #3, in my case) to build something more complicated. And, how many

[Mailman-Developers] [Fwd: [Mailman-cabal] Linux Expo UK 2003 -.Org Village Free Space for Mailman]

2003-07-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
This sounds like an interesting opportunity to get some more Mailman exposure. I won't be able to attend, but if any of our UK or Euro friends are planning to, would you be willing to volunteer a little time at the booth? If so, please let me and Brian know (I don't know what all is involved,

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bounce processing

2003-07-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:39, Juan Enrique Gómez wrote: Hi! I have been looking how works the bounce daemon, and i see thtat everytime it processes a bounce, it rewrites the list file complete, is this possible?, if so i think this is a crazyness cause in lists with 200k users, every bounce

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailpasswds is brittle

2003-07-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
Thanks Les. Note that this is already fixed in CVS (see mailpasswds 2.17), so it'll be part of MM2.1.3. I likely won't get that out until after Python 2.3 is released after the end of this month. Cheers, -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Announce] [Fwd:[Mailman-cabal] Linux Expo UK 2003 - .Org Villag...

2003-07-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 10:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea what this is:)[Unable to display image]Jaimie 419-438-0877 __ ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Python 2.3 ?

2003-07-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 22:58, Bill Bradford wrote: Is it safe to upgrade to Python 2.3 from 2.2.2 with an existing MailMan installation without breaking things? I'm sad to say I haven't had a lick of time to thoroughly test this. I /think/ it should be okay, but I'm updating my personal servers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Bi-directional newsgateway?

2003-07-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 12:05, Brad Knowles wrote: Is there a cron job that I've missed, or some other advice you can give me regarding the setup of bi-directional news gateways? Yes. cron/gate_news is the script you need to run to pull stuff off the news server. -Barry

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Fw: About unadvertised lists

2003-07-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:28, Marco Antonio Reis Henriques wrote: Sorry folks and specially Chris. I was betray by mailman translation from English to Portuguese . Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine? in Portuguese is like Inform this list when people ask

Re: [Mailman-Developers] digest problems (anyone seen this?)

2003-08-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 18:48, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: So it seems to be Mailman making an unsafe assumption about how the MIME is constructed, not a problem with an incoming message. Barry? What's your thought here? If it's really the digest.mbox file that's busted here (and you can check

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bug in Dutch translation

2003-08-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 04:05, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=204196 for the Debian bug report) There's an error in the dutch translation where the keyword used is the wrong one. This causes Mailman to shunt large ( 40KB by default) mails on

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman - list corruption

2003-08-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
I'm not ignoring you guys. ;) Well, actually I am, but I wish I didn't have to. I'm slammed to the gills with work stuff these days. I had hope to have some free evenings this week to catch up, but no dice. Chuq, I have a working patch for you that I still haven't had time to check in. I'm

Re: [Mailman-Developers] digest problems (anyone seen this?)

2003-08-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 19:24, Barry Warsaw wrote: If this patch works, then I'll probably apply it as a fallback, but I'll want to make sure the scrubber is fixed too, otherwise it's possible that your mbox archive is also broken (though you wouldn't notice it until you regenerated your

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Absentee list owners become suicidemail-bombers

2003-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 10:51, John A. Martin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What defenses does Mailman have against suicide mail-bomber attacks? The suicide mail-bomber has a number of list-owner addresses for which the receiving MTAs take delivery and subsequently

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 'empty module name' error and shunting

2003-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 19:56, Nadim Shaikli wrote: Well, in my case I'm on a debian system (code via apt-get) running mailman-2.1.2-6. I have about 12 mailing-lists all seem to function without an issue except for one. Anytime anyone mails to it, the message gets Shunned and I see this error

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman now doesnt work

2003-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 21:43, Marcia Cardoso wrote: File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py, line 496, in open file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' bin/check_perms -Barry

Re: [Mailman-Developers] html includes

2003-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 13:38, Will Knapp wrote: When altering the User page's html I'd like to use some kind of include to point to header.html and footer.html outside of mailman. I know all about why SSI is a bad idea in CGI. Is there some tag in mailman or Python that will let me do this?

Re: [Mailman-Developers] RE: [Mailman-Announce] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.2

2003-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 18:09, Stewart M. Ives wrote: Barry, Where is the Site Administrators Documentation or is it what is currently shown at www.list.org/site.html??? The description said it's a complete doc on installing/integrating/etc mailman. I think what comes up is not it. Check

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problem with MM after power outage

2003-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 12:52, Bill Bradford wrote: Looks like the problem resolved itself after a few minutes. Bill On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:58:39AM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote: After power was restored and the machine came up, Mailman (2.1.2) is now spitting out errors: Traceback

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Build oddity when mm_cfg.py exists

2003-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 07:00, Chris Boulter wrote: On Fri 2003-08-15 11:03:25 +0100, Chris Boulter wrote: Here's an odd little problem I've encountered and a workaround for it. Oops. I think all this confusion might have been caused by my mm_cfg.py missing from Defaults import *

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problem with MM after power outage

2003-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 15:17, Simone Piunno wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2003 04:08, Barry Warsaw wrote: After power was restored and the machine came up, Mailman (2.1.2) is now spitting out errors: File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 246, in _ext_read

Re: [Mailman-Developers] qrunner infinite loop?

2003-08-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 20:49, Greg Ward wrote: I've just installed the mailman 2.1.2-7 package on a Debian sarge (testing) system, and qrunner goes into an apparent infinite loop as soon as it starts. Here's a snapshot from top shortly after running /etc/init.d/mailman start: PID USER

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Python Book

2003-08-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 14:12, Kory Wheatley wrote: What is the best book to learn Python, for a beginner and than another book for the advanced features? I haven't read any of the more recent Python books. I learned Python by reading the tutorial, which is still a good, cheap way to learn

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Non-member post confirmation

2003-08-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 03:00, Madsen Wikholm wrote: I'm not really for using the challenge/response system for personal mail since I get much mail from unknown senders. But for a list that would normally be open it would cut down on the spam. I used to have my lists open but due to spam I've

Re: [Mailman-Developers] (no subject)

2003-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 10:45, Chuming Chen wrote: Before I send a digest out, I would like to edit it. Where in the Unix world is it located? How can I have permission to read/write it? It lives in lists/yourlist/digest.mbox I would like to be able to send out a digest when I want. From

Re: [Mailman-Developers] script

2003-09-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
Take a look in cvs. There's a script called bin/discard which takes a list of file names and does proper discards on all those files. I'll be testing it on mail.python.org when 1) I dig out from the mail hell we've been in for the last few days, and 2) SF's CVS stops sucking wink. -Barry

Re: [Mailman-Developers] script

2003-09-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 11:46, John A. Martin wrote: I hope this is something where the choice of what to discard rests with the individual list owner/moderator. The script is just a hack, and must be run by the site admin on the command line. It's just a way to mass discard a ton of crap. It

Re: [Mailman-Developers] script

2003-09-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:33, Simone Piunno wrote: I'm using this patch (slightly adapted) on our servers since early april. It works almost seamlessly and its very effective but still lacks some UI controls, e.g. actually there's no way to train the filter TTW with a message which is not

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-checkins] mailman3 README.txt, NONE, 3.0

2003-09-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 17:30, Harald Meland wrote: [ Replying to a 3.5-months-old message... hopefully my response lag time will improve shortly. :-) ] Yours and mine both! :) If there is enough demand for tree reorganization to require using a completely new CVS module, has any thought

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problem with MM after power outage

2003-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
Catching up... On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 18:45, Simone Piunno wrote: MTAs usually provide a configuration setting to enable cache flush for each transaction (by use of fsync()), but this is disabled by default because of the severe impact in performance. Indeed. I could add an optional flag

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problem with MM after power outage

2003-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 12:28, Brad Knowles wrote: I would suggest making this flag visible on certain OSes. For example, turned off by default but visible on Linux, and not even visible (without hacking) on OSes that don't need it. Hmm, I don't know what make it visible on some OSs

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problem with MM after power outage

2003-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 17:40, Harald Meland wrote: Although I haven't done any testing as to how much performance is lost by fsync(2)ing, I suspect that the sites who actually *need* this lost performance are (much) more likely to read the upgrade notes than your average Mailman site admin.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problem with MM after power outage

2003-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 12:42, Brad Knowles wrote: At 12:35 PM -0400 2003/09/12, Barry Warsaw wrote: Hmm, I don't know what make it visible on some OSs would mean. ;) So that no hacking is required to make it something the user can see and modify. We'd still be doing the dangerous

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problem with MM after power outage

2003-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 15:58, Brad Knowles wrote: It's easy enough to check the type of filesystem to be used, and whether chatter +S has been run on the particular directory structure. Maybe there should be a FAQ or README.LINUX items discussing the issue, and suggesting filesystem

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Problem with MM after power outage

2003-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 18:50, Harald Meland wrote: However, I'm not sure I understand why this shouldn't be configurable in mm_cfg; is that just to keep the number of configurable variables down? That, and because I kind of see visibility in mm_cfg.py as a blessing of sorts for the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.2 doesn't work with postfix-style virtual domains + patch

2003-09-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 05:46, Steve Alexander wrote: Mailman 2.1.2 writes out a sendmail-style virtual-mailman file rather than a postfix-style virtual-mailman file. I don't know whether this is what is intended, but it seems counter to what I read in the README.POSTFIX file, and using the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.2 doesn't work with postfix-style virtual domains + patch

2003-09-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 21:07, John A. Martin wrote: ISTM the Postfix documentation is pretty clear with one virtual-alias.domain anything line. Anything else even that might work would be exploiting an undocumented feature that might well change without notice, IMHO.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] OutgoingRunner qrunning 100% CPU

2003-09-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 09:27, PieterB wrote: One of my qrunners (--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s) is eating 100% cpu continuously. I can't find what is causing it to do that. I found out I forgot one of the -owner-aliases for a specific list, but even after fixing that it is still eating away

[Mailman-Developers] Mailman CPanel?

2003-09-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
I recently received a message about problems with Mailman and CPanel. I don't know anything about CPanel, or why Mailman and CPanel might not be working together, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested in helping to make sure this is still a viable solution. I know a lot of people use

[Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CPanel?

2003-09-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 18:49, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: Does anybody know anything about this? I've seen people asking about it on ListOwners. I've kept my head down because I didn't know what you'd said/done, but it sort of sounds like it's either the cPanel folks trying to blame Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman CPanel?

2003-09-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 19:02, Robert Anderson wrote: I don't know the answer but is mailman really an out of the box solution that is suitable for users without basic programming or linux sysadmin skills? Because there are a lot of CPanel users in this category. Installation and setup

Re: [Mailman-Developers] unremovable/broken member addresses

2003-09-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 22:23, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: Try this; http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.013.htp I've updated this FAQ entry to describe the removeMember() method which would be better to use, if possible. Also, I remember providing a remove_members recipe in

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Bounce removal parameters default values

2003-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 11:57, Greg Stark wrote: I should not be removed from a mailing list purely on the basis of bounces of uncontrolled messages. The messages that bounced could have been spam or outlook worms or whatever. In the default configuration, you won't be. You might get

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Bounce removal parameters default values

2003-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 11:41, Greg Stark wrote: What I'm suggesting is that Mailman should *send* a message with known content itself, and only if that message bounces should it decide the address is invalid. It seems difficult to test a negative (what? it doesn't bounce after 10 days? I

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Bounce removal parameters default values

2003-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 12:24, Simone Piunno wrote: On Friday 26 September 2003 17:47, Barry Warsaw wrote: Admins of low volume lists might want to change some of the bounce processing defaults. However, by default if a list gets no bounces from you in 7 days, it considers any previous

Re: [Mailman-Developers] @ in mail **text** gets replaced in archives

2003-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 12:15, Martin Maechler wrote: The mailman-builtin archiving engine (pipermail) is really not that great It's better than nothing, but no one has ever made great claims about it. Unfortunately, no one has stepped up to improve it either although there have been

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Bounce removal parameters default values

2003-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 12:45, Greg Stark wrote: That sounds great, except I'm subscribed to 183 lists, mostly low volume. Periodically I get interested in some project I put aside long ago, check my mail folder for it and discover I've stopped receiving messages months ago. That sucks.

[Mailman-Developers] Planning for the next release

2003-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
Not that I have any more free time than I used to, but I'd like to start planning for the next major release of Mailman. Over the summer I made some good progress on Mailman 3, but I'm beginning to think that we'll need a MM2.2 release sooner than that. There's a ton of stuff backed up that

Re: [Mailman-Developers] @ in mail **text** gets replaced in archives

2003-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 13:22, Nadim Shaikli wrote: Dump pipermail completely and include (or point to) MHonARC, it does a great job and is easily integrated (UTF-8 support and all). In the tradition of Python's batteries included philosophy, I still want to bundle Pipermail. But I'm happy to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] @ in mail **text** gets replaced in archives

2003-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 16:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 01:34:04PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: want to bundle Pipermail. But I'm happy to make it more obvious, or easier, or whatever, to point people at MHonArc. I'm leery of including A simple step toward

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Bounce removal parameters default values

2003-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 12:36, J C Lawrence wrote: At its core this is an argument between pragmatism and principle. My principled side says that an alarming number of sites actually do use content filters and that they are a reality of email life and we should properly handle reality.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Planning for the next release

2003-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 18:30, Brad Knowles wrote: At 1:40 PM -0400 2003/09/26, Barry Warsaw wrote: So I've started a wiki page to start collecting ideas. I'm not committing to any of them, but we need a place to document and discuss things that might go into Mailman 2.2. Here's

Re: [Mailman-Developers] @ in mail **text** gets replaced inarchives

2003-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 20:22, Kevin McCann wrote: I agree. Earl Hood has been doing a marvelous job with MHonarc for years now. The guy is meticulous, keeps his software current and well documented, and understands mail issues as well as anyone. I understand Barry's hesitation to integrate a

Re: [Mailman-i18n] Re: [Mailman-Developers] @ in mail **text** gets replaced inarchives

2003-09-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 03:18, Martin v. Löwis wrote: At least, MHonArc-ed japanese mail archives doesn't impress me much. Seconded. I once wrote a patch to MHonarc to support UTF-8 on all pages, and it was eventually incorporated, but MHonarc's multiple-encoding techniques are much behind

Re: [Mailman-Developers] @ in mail **text** gets replaced inarchives

2003-09-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 09:59, Kevin McCann wrote: Try it for yourself. Maybe your needs are different. But if I want an archiver that will process huge mbox file from other systems - without crapping out, will decode encoded binary attachments, have flexible, customizable output, etc., I can't

Re: [Mailman-Developers] @ in mail **text** gets replaced inarchives

2003-09-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 05:13, Harald Meland wrote: [Barry Warsaw] I really really want to use something like message-ids to generate message file names. I want to be able to generate links to archived messages in the footers, but I think the best way to do that is to agree

Re: [Mailman-i18n] Re: [Mailman-Developers] @ in mail **text** gets replaced inarchives

2003-09-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 02:06, Alessio Bragadini wrote: MHonArc has a lengthy configuration file, not to mention the possibility of patches. What's exactly the result you would like to see? See my other followup. -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] bugs in 2.1.2

2003-09-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 09:21, ned wrote: Hello list, i've been poking and prodding mailman for about an hour now...found a few things which could be not seen as secure (although they dont have any real impact...): first there is a XSS (cross site scripting) bug in create.py in Cgi/. just

[Mailman-Developers] Cutting Mailman 2.1.3

2003-09-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
Okay, I'm going to be cutting Mailman 2.1.3 over the next hour or so. avalon and duke9 are getting their 11th hour updates in, but those will probably be the last. :) -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bug priorities (for 2.1.3)?

2003-10-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 03:22, Bernhard Reiter wrote: Congratulation for getting 2.1.3 out of the door! Thanks. Please understand that I no longer get to work on Mailman as part of my day job, so I fit it in between everything else that's going on. More than anything else, that drives what gets

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Strange behaviour

2003-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 15:48, Mikhail Sobolev wrote: In my experience as a translator, missing spaces always happened because I forgot that space while translating or because even the original english text had the problem. So, if you can see the problem only happens in russian, I'd

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Strange behaviour

2003-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 17:47, Mikhail Sobolev wrote: I am sorry, but I do not really see this as an expected behaviour. As I said the newlines are replaced with nothing. I have the text: Blah blah blah oops oops oops And after the reformatting I expect: Blah blah blah oops oops

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