[Mailman-Users] ADMIN - Staying on topic - spam filtering/reflecting and list management philosophy are not on topic....

Hey folks, can we try to remember that this is the "mailman-users" list? Discussions about list management philosophy belong on list-managers: and discussions about spam filtering or spam reflecting belong on spam-l:

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

> Did I actually call you a corporate shill? Did I say that's what > you're actually doing? yes. d/ ps. Given how careless and aggressive you have been in this exchange, so far, please don't try to resort to a game of semantics. Your language was plain and direct. -- Dave Crock

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

<> Being somewhat of a "stranger" here but do know how to read and understand, it would seem that way?!?!? << Right now, I'm not seeing anything, but I'd love to be proved wrong.>> Ditto. Seems to me, the gent 'doth protest too much?!?!? Ed PS: And yes, I AM a serious HATER of AOL -:) BTDT.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

At 3:58 PM -0800 2006-03-04, Dave Crocker wrote: >> To my astonishment, you seem to be interested in doing nothing >> except acting as a corporate shill. > > I was raised during a time in which parents were told to distinguish > between saying to their kids "you are doing a bad thing" vers

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

<> Forget About Quasimo? Never mind. LOL Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

> To my astonishment, you seem to be interested in doing nothing > except acting as a corporate shill. I was raised during a time in which parents were told to distinguish between saying to their kids "you are doing a bad thing" versus "you are a bad person". Does this have any rules a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

At 1:40 PM -0800 2006-03-04, Dave Crocker wrote: > I had hoped that there might be a basis for some constructive dialogue. As had I. > However you persist in using hyperbole like "paid spammer solution", > and seem to be taking in none of the points I have been raising, except > as s

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

<> Forget About Quasimo? Never mind. LOL Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

Dave Crocker wrote: > Brad, > > I had hoped that there might be a basis for some constructive dialogue. > However > you persist in using hyperbole like "paid spammer solution", and seem to be > taking in none of the points I have been raising, except as sounding boards > for > repeating your

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

> I don't think you can opt out of the paid spammer solution from > Goodmail. Brad, I had hoped that there might be a basis for some constructive dialogue. However you persist in using hyperbole like "paid spammer solution", and seem to be taking in none of the points I have been rais

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

At 9:21 PM +0100 2006-03-04, Brad Knowles wrote: >> All sorts of things are "mandatory for all AOL users". For example, >> the entire AOL spam detection and filtering mechanism is mandatory. > > Actually, it's not. You can opt out of the spam detection and > filtering mechanism, if yo

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to start a new list?

At 7:11 PM +0100 2006-03-04, Henrik Stromberg wrote: > I do not have an own server and do not want to have my computer running all > the time so I guess the best would be to create a list on some existing > Mailman installation of some service provider. Is there any information > available how

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

At 7:58 AM -0800 2006-03-04, Dave Crocker wrote: > All sorts of things are "mandatory for all AOL users". For example, > the entire AOL spam detection and filtering mechanism is mandatory. Actually, it's not. You can opt out of the spam detection and filtering mechanism, if you so ch

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

At 7:36 AM -0800 2006-03-04, Dave Crocker wrote: > 1. The effort it takes to get on the EWL and stay on it is substantial. We know this. This is why we created FAQ 3.42. > It therefore creates a significant division between "all mail" and "mail > from folks on the EWL". Let'

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

At 11:59 AM -0300 2006-03-04, Oliver Schulze L. wrote: > BTW, there are many RFE that are not asigned, is that normal? That may just mean that no one has gone in recently and assigned them. There are a limited number of people who are involved in this process, and they may just not ha

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to start a new list?

Hello, Thanks again for the answers. I do not have an own server and do not want to have my computer running all the time so I guess the best would be to create a list on some existing Mailman installation of some service provider. Is there any information available how to find one? And in case I f

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Solved] Importing Archives Not Working

Thank you to everyone who replied to this thread. The python code from Mark below worked nicley to convert the date formats. My imported archives are visiable in Mailman. --Karl On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:43:15 -0800 Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The method in the FAQ is much more c

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to start a new list?

Henrik Stromberg wrote: > >Mark, you mean first I need to set up a web page with a subfolder >mailman/admin? This is done as part of the installation of Mailman. >I am absolute beginner to mailman and lists, just participate in two and >wondered how I could set up one myself. I wonder why this

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to start a new list?

Thank you Mark, Patrick, and Todd for your answers. Mark, you mean first I need to set up a web page with a subfolder mailman/admin? Patrick, yes I mean create a new list. I have no idea where to find a terminal createlist and how to paste the output in /etc/aliases and then run newaliases. I am

Re: [Mailman-Users] sorting members

emmi wrote: > >i have two lists. one has 65 members and the other one >25. the larger one is sorted by the beginning letters. >the second list not. can i configure this ? i don't want >to have a sorted list of members. See >

Re: [Mailman-Users] how to disable "post requires approval" messages

On 3/4/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Crni Gorac wrote: > > >I'm administering couple mailing list and during last time each day > >I'm receiving dozen of "... post from ... requires approval" messages > >("As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > >following m

Re: [Mailman-Users] Trying to make a coule site wide changes

Derrick MacPherson wrote: >Sorry I'm not much of a programmer, I'm trying to figure out how to make > a couple site wide changes using the with_list command. I've stumbled >around and am not getting anywhere, nor have i yet found an example that >will do what I need. I'm trying to change the l

[Mailman-Users] sorting members

hi, i have two lists. one has 65 members and the other one 25. the larger one is sorted by the beginning letters. the second list not. can i configure this ? i don't want to have a sorted list of members. is there any posibility to export the member datas ? thanks for your help best regards

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam being posted to archives

Jeff DeReus wrote: >I am running mailman 2.1.5 with SA 3.0.4 on FC3. While I am now properly >tagging the mails for spam there is no reason that they should be archived >along with valid posts. Is there a way to disable this based on header >information or some other criteria? Use admin-.Priva

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

Brad Knowles wrote: > This situation is rife with cost and revenue externalities. > Moreover, it is not even opt-out -- it is mandatory for all AOL users. All sorts of things are "mandatory for all AOL users". For example, the entire AOL spam detection and filtering mechanism is mandatory

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to start a new list?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I am sorry to start this question but I am really puzzled by the fact that I >did not find helpful information about this pivotal question. >From the command line, use bin/newlist. >From the web, follow the "create a new mailing list" link from the admin overview page

[Mailman-Users] spam being posted to archives

I am running mailman 2.1.5 with SA 3.0.4 on FC3. While I am now properly tagging the mails for spam there is no reason that they should be archived along with valid posts. Is there a way to disable this based on header information or some other criteria? Thank you, Jeff D ---

Re: [Mailman-Users] how to disable "post requires approval" messages

Crni Gorac wrote: >I'm administering couple mailing list and during last time each day >I'm receiving dozen of "... post from ... requires approval" messages >("As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the >following mailing list posting...") for each list, because spammers >are

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

Brad Knowles wrote: > At 5:53 PM -0800 2006-03-03, Dave Crocker wrote: > >> AOL creates a specialized, rather expensive process that it provides for >> free, to ensure delivery of a class of mail. > > Unless you mean "all mail" when you say "class of mail", then no -- > not really. So f

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

Done: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1443069&group_id=103&atid=350103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1219887&group_id=103&atid=350103 BTW, there are many RFE that are not asigned, is that normal? Thanks Oliver Brad Knowles wrote: > You coul

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

Good idea, will do ;) Brad Knowles wrote: > You could certainly go to the appropriate SourceForge page and > check to see if this RFE is already on the system, and if not then you > could file it yourself. But if the RFE isn't filed on SourceForge, > then we really don't have a way to trac

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

At 5:53 PM -0800 2006-03-03, Dave Crocker wrote: > So along comes a few companies who are trying to find ways to let > receive-side ISPs outsource the job of assuring that trustable bulk > mail is, in fact, trusted. (That is, the receiver wants this stuff > and these services are provding way

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to start a new list?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am sorry to start this question but I am really puzzled by the > fact that I did not find helpful information about this pivotal > question. Where did you look? What method did you use to install mailman? From source? V

[Mailman-Users] How to start a new list?

I am sorry to start this question but I am really puzzled by the fact that I did not find helpful information about this pivotal question. -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl -- Ma

Re: [Mailman-Users] how to disable "post requires approval" messages

On 3/4/06, Glenn Sieb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Crni Gorac said the following on 3/4/2006 3:28 AM: > > I'm administering couple mailing list and during last time each day > > I'm receiving dozen of "... post from ... requires approval" messages > > ("As list administrator, your authorization is

Re: [Mailman-Users] how to disable "post requires approval" messages

Crni Gorac said the following on 3/4/2006 3:28 AM: > I'm administering couple mailing list and during last time each day > I'm receiving dozen of "... post from ... requires approval" messages > ("As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > following mailing list posting...")

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

At 5:53 PM -0800 2006-03-03, Dave Crocker wrote: > AOL creates a specialized, rather expensive process that it provides for > free, to ensure delivery of a class of mail. Unless you mean "all mail" when you say "class of mail", then no -- not really. So far as I know, they did not hav

[Mailman-Users] how to disable "post requires approval" messages

I'm administering couple mailing list and during last time each day I'm receiving dozen of "... post from ... requires approval" messages ("As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting...") for each list, because spammers are trying to go trough. S

[Mailman-Users] Trying to make a coule site wide changes

Sorry I'm not much of a programmer, I'm trying to figure out how to make a couple site wide changes using the with_list command. I've stumbled around and am not getting anywhere, nor have i yet found an example that will do what I need. I'm trying to change the list owner and the personalize