Re: [Mailman-Users] bounced addresses stays there

2008-12-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
faisal anif wrote: > >I have the following settings: > >bounce_score_threshold: 2.0 >bounce_info_stale_after: 7 >bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings: 0 - for immediate removal >bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval: 7 > >then I notice that the addresses that have delivery disabled for bounce r

[Mailman-Users] bounced addresses stays there

2008-12-20 Thread faisal anif
hi, I have the following settings: bounce_score_threshold: 2.0 bounce_info_stale_after: 7 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings: 0 - for immediate removal bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval: 7 then I notice that the addresses that have delivery disabled for bounce reason is still in the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to list-owner

2008-12-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 17:55 -0600, Brad Knowles wrote: > By interactive, I mean that SpamAssassin (or SpamBayes) would be > executed before we give the sender a "250 Ok" for the message. That > would allow us to reject stuff that gets a high spam score instead of > dropping it. Oh, Ok. Thanks

Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading rpm mailman from mailman source

2008-12-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
Paul wrote: >I tried yesterday unsuccessfully from upgrade mailman-2.1.5.1-34.rhel4.6 >on Centos 4 to the latest 2.1.11 from sourceforge. > >When I ran "configure" it said I needed to install Python from source or >install the Python-devel package, so I installed the python-devel. > ># yum -y inst

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to list-owner

2008-12-20 Thread Brad Knowles
on 12/20/08 2:35 PM, Lindsay Haisley said: What do you mean by this. Can shell account users not interactively use spamc or spamassassin from a command prompt? By interactive, I mean that SpamAssassin (or SpamBayes) would be executed before we give the sender a "250 Ok" for the message. Tha

[Mailman-Users] Upgrading rpm mailman from mailman source

2008-12-20 Thread Paul
I tried yesterday unsuccessfully from upgrade mailman-2.1.5.1-34.rhel4.6 on Centos 4 to the latest 2.1.11 from sourceforge. When I ran "configure" it said I needed to install Python from source or install the Python-devel package, so I installed the python-devel. # yum -y install python-devel Th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
J.A. Terranson wrote: > >On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> mailmanctl stop should have stopped the last instance started, but yes, >> it isn't going to stop everything in this situation. > >Would a killall type of functionality be contraindicated in mailmanctl >stop? It would have to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: > mailmanctl stop should have stopped the last instance started, but yes, > it isn't going to stop everything in this situation. Would a killall type of functionality be contraindicated in mailmanctl stop? > >The files referenced were nowhere to be foun

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to list-owner

2008-12-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:24 -0600, Brad Knowles wrote: > I'd also > like to make sure that SpamAssassin is set up to run interactively. What do you mean by this. Can shell account users not interactively use spamc or spamassassin from a command prompt? -- Lindsay Haisley | "The differenc

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to list-owner

2008-12-20 Thread Brad Knowles
on 12/20/08 1:54 PM, Lindsay Haisley said: Well I'm probably not doing as effective a job of pre-filtering as you are at UT. And what we're doing for python.org and ntp.org can't match those numbers, either. For ntp.org, we do pretty much the same as you -- use a few RBLs up-front, and the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
J.A. Terranson wrote: > >On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> >I stated in the original post that LO was also subbed. >> >> >> Sorry. I missed that. I was more focussed on your multiple qrunners (my >> diagnosis) issue, and then I skipped ahead. >> >> Have you resolved the multiple qrunn

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to list-owner

2008-12-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 13:13 -0600, Brad Knowles wrote: > Unfortunately, milters are not widely supported outside of modern > versions of sendmail and postfix. Courier's maildrop implements a perl-like structured scripting language that's about as flexible as anything I'm aware of for this purpose

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >I stated in the original post that LO was also subbed. > > > Sorry. I missed that. I was more focussed on your multiple qrunners (my > diagnosis) issue, and then I skipped ahead. > > Have you resolved the multiple qrunners? Yes, with work. there mu

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
J.A. Terranson wrote: > >I stated in the original post that LO was also subbed. Sorry. I missed that. I was more focussed on your multiple qrunners (my diagnosis) issue, and then I skipped ahead. Have you resolved the multiple qrunners? >LO is getting >everything (requests, other list traffic

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to list-owner

2008-12-20 Thread Brad Knowles
on 12/20/08 10:41 AM, Lindsay Haisley said: A "milter" is just an MTA component/plugin that reflects user-space (outside the MTA) decisions on spam/viruses back to the SMTP dialog so that a receiving server can reject an email for cause without generating a backscatter email to the envelope send

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: > You still haven't explicitly answered the question. Is the "address at > another domain, on another box, past a different segment" a member of > the list or is it just the owner. If it is the owner, but not a list > member, exactly what messages is it not

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
J.A. Terranson wrote: > >On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > >> Thanks for clarifying, but it's still not clear. Do you mean the >> list-ow...@domain.name address is subbed to the list, or the address to which >> list-owner points is on the list? > >Good point. LO in this case is jus

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mark Sapiro wrote: >J.A. Terranson wrote: > >>Dec 20 01:35:17 2008 (633) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: >>1229758515.53407+f7dd7f3e72a65eb8764166694ac958f0d9335dcf > > >This may be an unparseable message. It got preserved for analysis in >qfiles/shunt (2.1.10) or qfiles/bad (2.1.11)

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > Thanks for clarifying, but it's still not clear. Do you mean the > list-ow...@domain.name address is subbed to the list, or the address to which > list-owner points is on the list? Good point. LO in this case is just an address at another domain,

Re: [Mailman-Users] CC's, replies

2008-12-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
Lindsay Haisley wrote: > >I do >have one request. When you reply to one of my posts on this list, >please don't CC me, or reply to me and CC the list. I'm on the list so >I get a copy of everything you post. I don't need two of them :-) People reply-all to list posts for various reasons. One v

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
J.A. Terranson wrote: > >Looking in logs/smtp, I see no sign of the messages from owner that are >clearly in the archives! In logs/error, I see that when the machine came >up there are intermittent errors that look like: > >Dec 20 01:35:17 2008 (633) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 2] No such

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 12:06 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > > On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 11:30 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: > > > listowner address sends a "Maintenance Over" message to a bunch of > > > machines/lists. > > > > It's not coming from Mailma

[Mailman-Users] [2] Re: Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread J.A. Terranson
Since it's apparently not clear: this is a long existing and well behaved mailman installation prior to today. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother "Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympat

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 11:30 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: > > listowner address sends a "Maintenance Over" message to a bunch of > > machines/lists. > > It's not coming from Mailman. Are your list/list-owner addresses > possibly referenced in a boot

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 11:30 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: > listowner address sends a "Maintenance Over" message to a bunch of > machines/lists. It's not coming from Mailman. Are your list/list-owner addresses possibly referenced in a boot script? > On one machine with 4 lists, owneraddress post

[Mailman-Users] Posts from listowner address issue

2008-12-20 Thread J.A. Terranson
Good Morning, Last night our colo came down for routine maintenace, when everything came back up, I noticed a *really* strange issue: listowner address sends a "Maintenance Over" message to a bunch of machines/lists. On one machine with 4 lists, owneraddress posting shows up in archive

[Mailman-Users] CC's, replies

2008-12-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
Steven, J.A., others, Thank's for some good ideas re. spam management implementation. I do have one request. When you reply to one of my posts on this list, please don't CC me, or reply to me and CC the list. I'm on the list so I get a copy of everything you post. I don't need two of them :-)

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to list-owner

2008-12-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 19:35 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Courier doesn't need milters. Maildrop can be run in what's called > > "embedded mode" which is effectively the same thing. > x` > No, it's not the same, not for the purpose of deciding whether > *Courier* needs milters. A "milte

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to list-owner

2008-12-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Lindsay Haisley writes: > Courier doesn't need milters. Maildrop can be run in what's called > "embedded mode" which is effectively the same thing. No, it's not the same, not for the purpose of deciding whether *Courier* needs milters. *You* don't need milters because you don't mind eating th