rity scheme
can be effective -- just make sure that keeping the list private
isn't your only method of security.
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quot; (see <http://www.sage.org/pubs/15_postmaster/>).
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want to check out
the latest versions. That said, SpamAssassin is most definitely not
the FUSSP, and you will most likely need to also use other tools in
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> routed to the mailman system.
That is one solution, yes.
The other solution is to create an entirely different host name for
the mailing lists (e.g., "lists.yourdomain.example.com") and to have
the mail for that host name routed directly to the machi
who try to post to your list, and you'll
be sending an auto-response back to the sender address, which is
probably forged.
This is a "lesser of two evils" choice. You have to decide for
yourself and your user community as to what the lesser evil is
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y, you can still add a new hostname called
"lists.yourdomain.example.com" which has the same IP address as the
webserver, and has an MX record which points to the same IP address,
and then you need to change all your mailing lists to be
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with sendmail on the webserver. That sort
of thing would be covered in the Mailman installation & configuration
documentation, although you'd need to choose which method of
integration you would want to use.
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in some way, whether
that's through Zimbra or through the automated methods that Mailman
makes available. However, which solution you choose will depend on
what software you have and which method you prefer.
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t, including your own
private password to control your subscription?
BTW, you might want to change that password now.
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equire it. But I'm pretty sure that installing Python 2.4
will break Mailman 2.1.5.
See the FAQ.
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sible way to change that setting. In your case,
you have a few choices:
1. Get your hosting company to change it for you.
2. Decide to live with it.
3. Decide to switch hosting companies.
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tor requests). What should i do to fix this problem? ( I saw
> same topics in the archive,but they could not help me. )
What is in your logs as created by your MTA (qmail)? Without more
information (especially the basics), there's not going to be anything
that anyone can do to help yo
lman has no facilities for doing anything remotely like this.
> If no one's done it already, would there be interest in such an
> addition? Or should I concentrate on quick Python cgi programs instead?
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ikely to resolve your issues by just changing to the
other -- I think you have more fundamental problems that need to be
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control over what is done with our code by the people who prepare the
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yone get me pointed in the right direction - i dont see any need
> to re-invent what has most likely already been done...
For longer periods of time, you may end up at least modifying the
wheel, but for daily reports I've done everything I can think of in
mmdsr, which is why the script
is especially important since you've said you can't upgrade any
of the software, and we know that more recent versions of Mailman
have significantly improved their ability to handle failures of
various different types and continue trying to deliver everything
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On 9/12/07, Maulwurf wrote:
> the list is set to "emergency moderation" - but the message i sent just
> DOES NOT Show up as pending !!!
> so i cannot distribute it
Check the logs of your mail server. Make sure that the message
actually got to Mailman. Follow the troubleshooting tips in FAQ
aries for later versions of Mailman.
> admin(16095): OSError: [Errno 21] Is a directory:
> '/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/askref'
None of these should be directories. They should be symlinks over to
corresponding directories in the .../mailman/archives/private/...
directory hierar
servers, whereas Oracle explicitly rules out any support for
their products on other NFS servers. There's a reason for this.
So, the hardware you have available to you will have a huge impact on
your systems.
> I'll take a look at those docs and reply back to here. Thank
, many orders of
magnitude.
That said, there are occasionally times when such a system has
problems that are actually unrelated to NFS.
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est whitelisting? I
> have a feeling there is a repository for this that you can search, but I
> don't know where to find it.
Google for "blacklist checker". Three of the top five hits are:
http://www.robtex.com/rbl.html
http://www.moensted.dk/spam/
L.nl), but as far as the rest of the numbers are
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Of course, the current version is 2.1.9, and, IIRC the reason we
quickly moved up to that version was a security hole. And 2.1.10 is
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;d expect to see more support from your new ISP, and
if they're willing to treat you this way this soon after you
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backwards.
I don't recall the exact FAQ number or URL, but search the FAQ wizard
for "troubleshooting".
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> Further c
ed as spam?
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>
> I've been stumped with a problem with my installation of mailman
> 2.1.9. OS is BSD, and MTA is send
DNS is set
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the IP address of your mailing list server has been listed.
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> wr
?
Not sure what you're looking for here. Not sure that we can help.
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py and
then make your modifications there.
When you upgrade, the Defaults.py file should also be updated, but
the mm_cfg.py file should remain untouched. At least, that's the way
the upgrade should happen, if the binary packagers do their job
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nd a
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in the digest.mbox file to be sent, regardless of whether or not
you have reached the threshold.
Check your cron jobs and the log files to see if there are any errors
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then have them tell you why they are not properly supporting the
product that they have installed and made available to you.
Alternatively, you could find another provider that is more
responsive to your requirements. See FAQ 1.17 at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=sh
you have. We can't really
officially support such configurations, but it doesn't hurt us to
have more information we can provide to people when they ask about
them. At the very least, it can be handy for us to know where to
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no way we can possibly track down every single developer on
every single platform that is creating localized patches for Mailman
on their platform. The only way this process can possibly work is if
they use our mechanisms to send their patches to us.
There are no other scalable options.
-
, and then it's up to
us as to whether or not those are accepted and incorporated into the
mainstream codebase.
There simply are no other scalable options.
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t a fire under them to get them to come participate on this list,
we'd appreciate that.
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access. Therefore,
if you try to use Mailman outside of this
environment, you are then completely dependant on
the hosting provider.
If you want to look for a more friendly provider,
take a look at the Mailman FAQ Wizard page at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&fi
o this at Rackspace, 1&1, or any of those other
lowest-common-denominator hosting facilities.
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ters whether bounces or auto-replies are sent back to
the original sender or not.
Since you provide the sender address as input to the process when the
message is generated, you can make this whatever you want.
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ver
> host.
Use an A record. Even if it is exactly the same A record you use for
other machines. It will work. Trust me.
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I've always wondered how the
"topics" stuff worked, and I've never had the chance to do much work
with them
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trol over their systems and if you have any questions as
to what is going on, you need to talk to them -- we don't run your
mailing lists, until you told us about this site we had no idea they
were using our software, and we do not have any influence with them.
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maybe they're interested in continuing to try to bring this forward.
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y take a closer
look at all the various related entries in the FAQ Wizard.
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me damn stupid auto-response.
>I just
> want to know in case I forget to disable any lists that I am on. Or is it
> something specific to him because he is a co-moderator of this list?
He's not the co-moderator, I am.
And I kill subscriptions from people with bad auto-resp
python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brad%40shub-internet.org
>
>Security Policy:
>http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
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On 8/16/07, Bert Homveld wrote:
> How can I restore a mailinglist, which has been deleted?
Restore the affected Python "pickle" files from your most recent backup.
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ep, search the FAQ Wizard for "troubleshooting", and
follow the guidelines there. If that doesn't turn up anything, come
back and tell us what you got at each stage, and we'll see if we can
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our aliases to support that. Mailman doesn't
actually see anything of the addresses that were used to submit the
messages, it just takes the command-line options it's passed via the
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to
replace the standard goodby message, I think you'd need to modify the
source code.
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sonally familiar
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atabase for your webserver and see if there's anything obvious there.
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org/mailman-member/node10.html>, and is intended for
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upport a wide variety of OSes and several different MTAs, in
conjunction with Mailman. That said, we don't have that many
subscribers as a whole. So, the odds of finding someone here with
the exact same configuration you do is pretty slim.
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allout.
Try using their documentation, their FAQs, their mailing lists,
etc... to sort out this issue. You're not likely to be able to get
anything in the way of support on an OS or MTA-specific question like
this on a mailing list devoted to supporting Mailman.
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could make this change in your mm_cfg.py file, and that should
resolve your issue.
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obably want to do
that using a "withlist" script and a bit of Python code.
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veryone"? Which takes precendence?
You should be able to have a master list of "everyone", but I
couldn't tell you which takes precedence. You'd need to hear from
Mark, Tokio, or Barry on that.
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then the result should be the same. I think.
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to re-generate
the archives once the "raw" mbox is fixed.
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is?
I would think so, yes. But you should probably wait for an answer
from someone who knows better how that part of the code actually
works, like maybe Mark Sapiro or Tokio.
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links to the appropriate
online manual for Mailman, as well as documentation for other roles.
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hose changes with the community
through the appropriate Mailman patches page on SourceForge.
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allation process for Mailman, and one of
those is the one to handle the sending out of passwords.
After making sure that you've got all the right cron jobs created for
Mailman, you could take the specific cron entry for sending out the
passwords and instead do that one by hand, as a one-
ge, even if they're
subscribed to multiple topics.
At least, that's the way I understand it.
> It is not clear to us from the docs or from any information we have been
> able to find. Thanks,
If I haven't been able to clarify this issue for you, please let me know.
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where the expectations of one group conflict
with the expectations of the other. And I'm not sure that anyone
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If you're a Python programmer, it shouldn't be hard for you to add
your own module to the system to handle these things, and to hook
that into the appropriate place in the flow of messages through the
system. In that case, we'd ask you to contribute your changes back
to the pr
rest of the subject.
But one of the core Mailman developers would be more likely to know
the answer to that question, and they're also on this list.
Hopefully they'll be able to respond to you within a few days.
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ue.
Mailman doesn't "synchronize" archives of any sort, either private or public.
Can you explain in more detail what it is that
was previously happening but which doesn't happen
now? Maybe then we'll be more likely to be able
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e going to be able to get much help here, at least in
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lems with digests, the first thing to look for is
the cron jobs.
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On 8/2/07, Christopher Adams wrote:
> I know there is a senddigests cron, but how does this actually work,
> and what could be the reason that no lists are sending the digest
> unless I manually choose that it be sent?
Did you search the FAQ wizard on this matter?
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s unfiltered and to apply the filtering rules
only to unsigned messages. Even if there were such a method, the
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The site admin password gives you full web admin access, at least as
far as Mailman goes. You can access any list you want -- this is the
Mailman equivalent of root password, and should be treated with great
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ailman
is connecting to port 25 and doing the initial delivery. That's the
machine you need to check. As far as this is concerned, there's
nothing within Mailman itself that you can check or fix -- this is an
MTA issue instead.
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> I have a mailing list that every day sends me reminders that there are
> messages awaiting moderation, however, when I go to the admin area, there
> are no messages shown.
Did you read FAQ 3.38?
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FAQ 4.78 that should be mostly
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't be 100% certain.
You really need to find someone who has deep knowledge of those other
bits of code, as well as knowledge of how those interface to Mailman.
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our own custom handler, it should not be
difficult to achieve what you're looking for. Check the Mailman
patches page at SourceForge, just in case someone has already done
the same sort of thing.
Other than that, I am not personally aware of any obvious ways to
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ny obvious solution to this problem
that doesn't involve writing custom code. However, you should check
the Mailman patches page on SourceForge to see if anyone else has had
this problem and created a suggested solution.
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Sorry, my assumption was that the outbound service could also directly
deliver the mail locally, thus skipping the additional "inbound" phase.
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Outbound e-mail from Mailman should always bypass any spam filtering
stages -- those things should have been done on input and not be
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On Jul 31, 2007, at 6:06 AM, Mike Peachey <[EMAIL
the old one, then the old provider may not
be very helpful in terms of getting your data copied over, so you
might want to talk to your new provider first.
But we don't run the systems at either place, so there's nothing we
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I'm
sure that there are parts of the system that I am not as familiar
with.
> or [b] come up with an easy hack to mailman to allow it
> to use that value for member posters as well as nonmember?
Easy hack? Again, not so far as I know. But you should check the
patch datab
w of any other way to achieve this objective. If you do
discover another solution, please let us know.
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t spammers have recently latched onto the
fact that most people do seem to let *.PDF files through, although
I'm not sure what MIME type these messages are being tagged with. If
you allow application/octet-stream and *.PDF through your lists, this
may also open a much wider hole for
mailman-users mailing list (see
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.018.htp>).
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lists servers with regards to numbers of subscribers or numbers of
messages, but I don't know that anyone has tried to gather any
specific information with regards to large sizes of archives.
The largest archives I am personally aware of are the ones we have
for python-list, but I'd
ersion
number scheme is problematic. Can you upgrade the new machine to a
more recent version, like 2.1.9?
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ant to subscribe,
> they will have to do so from a "real" ISP.
For as long as I worked at AOL, and ever since, I always tried to
encourage people with half a brain to go somewhere else.
I even finally got my Mom off AOL.
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at I end up with a
> .html attachment and two .txt attachments (for the list header and
> footer) which makes it very difficult to read messages on portable
> devices.
Hopefully, this will solve your problem.
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l - 10/20/05)
That's cool too, but is not scalable -- larger lists simply can't
afford to put in that kind of separately work maintaining the list of
users who are rejected for reasons like this.
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rotect all your other users from what may happen
with any AOL-related addresses.
By the way, these measures were enacted *after* I left. If I had
still been there, I assure you that things would be different.
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