Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-20 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
On 19-Apr-18 23:33, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > tlhackque via Mailman-Users writes: > > > I'm not sure what you are looking for. > > I'm looking for anything that will help block swaths of Chinese > spammers and possibly attacks, while allowing me to do a better job of > serving students

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
tlhackque via Mailman-Users writes: > I'm not sure what you are looking for. I'm looking for anything that will help block swaths of Chinese spammers and possibly attacks, while allowing me to do a better job of serving students vacationing at home in China than treating them the way the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-19 Thread ddewey
Quoting Rich Kulawiec (r...@gsp.org): > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 09:08:43AM +0200, mailman-admin wrote: > > Brute Force attempts can only be mitigated by e.g. fail2ban. > > Nope. There are other ways. > > Brute force attacks can be pre-emptively blocked by nearly everyone > operating a Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-19 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Thu, 2018-04-19 at 10:08 -0700, Natu wrote: > On 04/17/2018 08:27 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > On 4/17/2018 7:20 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > >> I stood up a new server last fall with *no* valid ssh access and logged > >> about 750,000 attempts in a month.   Similar patterns. > > > > There's a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-19 Thread Natu
On 04/17/2018 08:27 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 4/17/2018 7:20 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: >> I stood up a new server last fall with *no* valid ssh access and logged >> about 750,000 attempts in a month.   Similar patterns. > > There's a reason I don't put sshd on port 22; moving it elsewhere and >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-19 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
On 19-Apr-18 02:46, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > So here's my problem. A lot of my constituency resides in CN, > occasionally including people at frequently problematic domains like > 163.com. Do you know any resources (or keywords to start googling > even!) at subnational levels? KR and CN

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Rich Kulawiec writes: > Brute force attacks can be pre-emptively blocked by nearly everyone > operating a Mailman instance. (I say "nearly" for specific reasons > that will become clear below.) Nice summary! > 3. The next step depends on the intended audience for your mailing > lists. So

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-17 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 4/17/2018 7:20 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: I stood up a new server last fall with *no* valid ssh access and logged about 750,000 attempts in a month. Similar patterns. There's a reason I don't put sshd on port 22; moving it elsewhere and blackhole-ing 22 cut the auth log tremendously.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-17 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 02:05:35PM -0400, tlhackque via Mailman-Users wrote: > Good advice.??? But use httpS: (and make sure the UA validates the server > certificate). > Unless you fancy experimenting with DOS attacks. Yep. You're exactly right. > But the biggest source of attacks, by far, is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2018-04-16 at 11:06 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 04/16/2018 10:45 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > >  > > Apache will log the access, with IP addresse, but to the best of my > > knowledge it won't log a Web UI login failure since this is an internal > > matter for Mailman. > > > As I said

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 04/16/2018 10:45 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > Apache will log the access, with IP addresse, but to the best of my > knowledge it won't log a Web UI login failure since this is an internal > matter for Mailman. As I said in my prior reply, all Mailman login failures return a 401 status.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-16 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
On 16-Apr-18 07:38, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 09:08:43AM +0200, mailman-admin wrote: >> Brute Force attempts can only be mitigated by e.g. fail2ban. > Nope. There are other ways. > > Brute force attacks can be pre-emptively blocked by nearly everyone > operating a Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2018-04-16 at 13:26 -0400, Robert Heller wrote: > > > Is there anything / feature that Mailman has that can be used to > > > watch/monitor it? > >  > > A related question would be whether there's any way to correlate failed > > web UI login attempts with IP addresses. It doesn't appear

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-16 Thread Robert Heller
At Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:46:21 -0500 fmo...@fmp.com wrote: > > On Sun, 2018-04-15 at 22:53 +, Steven Jones wrote: > > We are currently under brute force attack on our mailman server's web > > ui. > > > > > > Is there anything / feature that Mailman has that can be used to > > watch/monitor

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 04/16/2018 07:46 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > A related question would be whether there's any way to correlate failed > web UI login attempts with IP addresses. It doesn't appear that at > present Mailman 2 logs failed web UI attempts at all, although I may be > missing something. Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sun, 2018-04-15 at 22:53 +, Steven Jones wrote: > We are currently under brute force attack on our mailman server's web > ui. > > > Is there anything / feature that Mailman has that can be used to > watch/monitor it? A related question would be whether there's any way to correlate failed

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-16 Thread David Gibbs
On 4/15/2018 5:53 PM, Steven Jones wrote: We are currently under brute force attack on our mailman server's web ui. Is there anything / feature that Mailman has that can be used to watch/monitor it? Can you elaborate on how they are attacking? If it's a detectable pattern, I suggest you

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-16 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 09:08:43AM +0200, mailman-admin wrote: > Brute Force attempts can only be mitigated by e.g. fail2ban. Nope. There are other ways. Brute force attacks can be pre-emptively blocked by nearly everyone operating a Mailman instance. (I say "nearly" for specific reasons that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-16 Thread mailman-admin
Hi Am 16.04.2018 um 00:53 schrieb Steven Jones: > Hi, > > We are currently under brute force attack on our mailman server's web ui. > Is there anything / feature that Mailman has that can be used to > watch/monitor it? > Sadly I think we'll have to remove it off the Internet. > > This is

[Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

2018-04-15 Thread Steven Jones
Hi, We are currently under brute force attack on our mailman server's web ui. Is there anything / feature that Mailman has that can be used to watch/monitor it? Sadly I think we'll have to remove it off the Internet. regards Steven