Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?

2009-06-15 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Kirke Johnson wrote: What is bothering me is list owners who want to use their initials or the list name as list owner passwords. I feel like kind of a sitting duck when we can't see the passwords they have chosen and have no way to enforce decent choices. This

Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?

2009-06-03 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: > Thank you Stephen. Your API is clearly better than mine. I appreciate > the help. No problem! I will try to get back in touch with the code base; maybe I can actually contribute a patch -- Mailman-Users mailing li

Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?

2009-06-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >It occurs to me that this API is going to make it hard to provide help >to users. Maybe CheckPassword's API should be to raise an >InvalidPasswordError with an appropriate reason, or alternatively to >return a false value if nothing is wrong with the password, otherwi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?

2009-06-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
Grant Taylor wrote: >On 6/3/2009 4:33 PM, Kirke Johnson wrote: >> What is bothering me is list owners who want to use their initials or >> the list name as list owner passwords. I feel like kind of a sitting >> duck when we can't see the passwords they have chosen and have no way to >> enforce

Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?

2009-06-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/3/2009 4:33 PM, Kirke Johnson wrote: What is bothering me is list owners who want to use their initials or the list name as list owner passwords. I feel like kind of a sitting duck when we can't see the passwords they have chosen and have no way to enforce decent choices. It should be a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?

2009-06-03 Thread Kirke Johnson
We took care of the clear text transmissions, I believe. One of the first things we did with Mailman was to make sure all web activity uses https. Similarly, we use SSL for email server authentication and mail transfer security. What is bothering me is list owners who want to use their initial

Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?

2009-06-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: > Adding a hook to a user supplied password checker could be done in 2.2. > I'll take a look at this idea. How about a default checker that just > checks for minimum length defined in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py, but > overridable by the site. or maybe an mm_cfg.CheckPassword() f

Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?

2009-06-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >I think the passwords are also stored in >clear on the server (those of the list members are, since they appear >in monthly reminders) but I could be wrong about that. In Mailman 2.x, user passwords are stored in the clear, but list admin and moderator and site passw

Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?

2009-06-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Kirke Johnson wrote: >I am concerned that list owners can put insecure admin passwords on >their lists. My testing suggests that short passwords are accepted as >well as alpha-only. The only control I have found is the length of >admin passwords generated by Mailman. I have not located anything

[Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?

2009-06-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Kirke Johnson writes: > I am concerned that list owners can put insecure admin passwords on > their lists. My testing suggests that short passwords are accepted as > well as alpha-only. The only control I have found is the length of > admin passwords generated by Mailman. I have not located

[Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?

2009-06-02 Thread Kirke Johnson
I am concerned that list owners can put insecure admin passwords on their lists. My testing suggests that short passwords are accepted as well as alpha-only. The only control I have found is the length of admin passwords generated by Mailman. I have not located anything else that would enforce