Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation does not work

2016-07-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/7/16 11:02 AM, Bob wrote: > > On 2016-07-07 10:02 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 7/6/16 10:38 AM, Bob Lydiate wrote: >> >>> When I try to access the web interface, I am asked if I want to open >>> a file >>> called 'admin' instead of opening a webpage called admin. >> >> This is an issue with

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation does not work

2016-07-07 Thread Bob
Thanks for responding Mark. My replies to your comments are below. On 2016-07-07 10:02 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 7/6/16 10:38 AM, Bob Lydiate wrote: Problem 1 When I run 'check_perms -f' it tells me that the permissions on /var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has:root, expected list) (fixing) this

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation does not work

2016-07-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/6/16 10:38 AM, Bob Lydiate wrote: > > Problem 1 > When I run 'check_perms -f' it tells me that the permissions on > /var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has:root, expected list) (fixing) > this problem is repeated with 9 other scripts. When I check the actual > directory '/var/lib/mailman' I

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation does not work

2016-07-07 Thread Bob Lydiate
I am reinstalling Mailman after having to change servers. I am using Ubuntu 16.04, Apache, Postfix, Mailman. I have apache and postfix both working and serving mail and web. I have installed and re-installed Mailman a couple of times to try and get it working right and now have no idea what is

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation: Hit enter to notify mailman owner...

2013-10-20 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello, I am just working on my first own Mailman installation on debia 6.0. I came to the point where I ran the command newlist mailman. I entered my own address as list owner. After that, the message Hit enter to notify mailman owner was shown, but unfortunately there is no email that I received

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation: Hit enter to notify mailman owner...

2013-10-20 Thread Sascha Rissel
Oh, I just solved my problem. I forgot to start mailman. Sorry! 2013/10/20 Sascha Rissel sas...@rissel.it Hello, I am just working on my first own Mailman installation on debia 6.0. I came to the point where I ran the command newlist mailman. I entered my own address as list owner. After

[Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation

2013-10-03 Thread kibirango moses
Hullo users; I have installed mailman on slackware 14.0 and using apache 2.4.6. I am having problems with the cgi files on typing the url ipaddress/mailman/admin, it instead just downloads admin . i.e the cgis' dont bring up the related webpages Any help on how to solve this is highly appreciated

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation

2013-10-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 10/03/2013 03:40 AM, kibirango moses wrote: Hullo users; I have installed mailman on slackware 14.0 and using apache 2.4.6. I am having problems with the cgi files on typing the url ipaddress/mailman/admin, it instead just downloads admin . i.e the cgis' dont bring up the related webpages

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem : User unknown in relay recipient table

2013-04-08 Thread Mustafa Cagatayli
Hi, Together with the proper A and MX records for mydomain.com, I have a fresh Ubuntu 12.04LTS server. I have followed the http://library.linode.com/email/mailman/ubuntu-12.04-precise-pangolin; and installed Mailman. I have created a few lists through the web interface. One important problem

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem : User unknown inrelay recipient table

2013-04-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mustafa Cagatayli wrote: Together with the proper A and MX records for mydomain.com, I have a fresh Ubuntu 12.04LTS server. I have followed the http://library.linode.com/email/mailman/ubuntu-12.04-precise-pangolin; and installed Mailman. I have created a few lists through the web interface.

[Mailman-Users] MailMan Installation On Remote System?

2011-12-14 Thread Carlos Mennens
I've got three servers in the office: 1. mail 2. web 3. db My question is can I install MailMan on my web server and have it manage lists for my mail server? They're all on the same physical LAN and subnet so there's no weird networking hopscotch that needs to occur. Anyone know if this is

Re: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Installation On Remote System?

2011-12-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Carlos Mennens wrote: I've got three servers in the office: 1. mail 2. web 3. db My question is can I install MailMan on my web server and have it manage lists for my mail server? They're all on the same physical LAN and subnet so there's no weird networking hopscotch that needs to occur.

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation on ubuntu failing

2011-01-21 Thread Noah
I don't know what the apt-get process does to undo what it had done up to this point, but at this point, the new Mailman 2.1.9 had been installed and all that was left to do was any necessary list data migration. Since there aren't any data format changes between 2.1.9 and 2.1.11, it was

[Mailman-Users] mailman installation on ubuntu failing

2011-01-14 Thread Noah
Hi there, I am having issues installing mailman on my ubuntu machine. Its a 32bit Processor so I am not sure why 64-amd version of mailman was ever installed. any clues on how to solve this problem? # uname -a Linux enabled.com 2.6.24-24-xen #1 SMP Tue Jun 30 21:53:02 UTC 2009 x86_64

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation on ubuntu failing

2011-01-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Noah wrote: I am having issues installing mailman on my ubuntu machine. Its a 32bit Processor so I am not sure why 64-amd version of mailman was ever installed. any clues on how to solve this problem? I know nothing of various Debian packages but it doesnt appear to me that this message is

[Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation with Multiple IP Addresses

2009-07-12 Thread Amardeo Sarma
For many years I have been running Mailman with several mailman lists using multiple domains (virtual hosts) on a single server without major issues (Thanks btw for this great and reliable software - hard to imagine living without it). Now I have a problem with a server with multiple IP addresses

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation with Multiple IP Addresses

2009-07-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Amardeo Sarma wrote: Now I have a problem with a server with multiple IP addresses (FreeBSD 6.3, Mailman 2.1.12, Apache 2.2, Sendmail). When virtual hosts are assigned to *different* IP Addresses, the Mailman Web Interface does not work for any but the virtual hosts assigned to the main IP

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-27 Thread Oliver Glueck
ok, here comes some log files, attached as logs-about-dummy.txt The entry with user.administrator mailbox does not exists...I have changed in fetchmailrc the set postmaster to 'set postmaster oxadmin' I think, the problem is open xchange: I don't know, where I have to configure the special

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-27 Thread Mark Sapiro
Oliver Glueck wrote: I think, the problem is open xchange: I don't know, where I have to configure the special files. Not really. Could be. But, these are not Mailman questions, and while I do know something about Postfix and a bit about fetchmail and can try to help with that, These questions

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-27 Thread Karl O. Pinc
On 02/27/2009 02:51:51 AM, Oliver Glueck wrote: @Karl: postconf..don't show me the mailman aliases, only the default. (with configured 30_maps in /etc/univention/templates/files/etc/postfix/main.cf.d/ After I added this lines in postfix/main.cf postconf shows me the right entry, but it

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-26 Thread Oliver Glueck
Hi Mark, thanks. I have done all changes, but If I sent an email to a list, I get an error message, because 'user unknown': Feb 26 12:37:13 mail fetchmail[6236]: Nachricht about-du...@www.company.de:1 von 1 wird gelesen (2783 Bytes) (Log-Meldung unvollständig) Feb 26 12:37:13 mail

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Oliver Glueck wrote: thanks. I have done all changes, but If I sent an email to a list, I get an error message, because 'user unknown': Feb 26 12:37:13 mail fetchmail[6236]: Nachricht about-du...@www.company.de:1 von 1 wird gelesen (2783 Bytes) (Log-Meldung unvollständig) Feb 26 12:37:13 mail

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-26 Thread Oliver Glueck
Mark Sapiro schrieb: Oliver Glueck wrote: thanks. I have done all changes, but If I sent an email to a list, I get an error message, because 'user unknown': Feb 26 12:37:13 mail fetchmail[6236]: Nachricht about-du...@www.company.de:1 von 1 wird gelesen (2783 Bytes) (Log-Meldung

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Oliver Glueck wrote: Mark Sapiro schrieb: It looks like fetchmail is trying to deliver to Postfix and Postfix is replying 550 5.1.1 about-du...@localhost: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table This has nothing to do with virtual maps because it is looking

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-26 Thread Oliver Glueck
Mark Sapiro schrieb: Oliver Glueck wrote: Mark Sapiro schrieb: It looks like fetchmail is trying to deliver to Postfix and Postfix is replying 550 5.1.1 about-du...@localhost: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table This has nothing to do with virtual

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Oliver Glueck wrote: Mark Sapiro schrieb: What are the Postfix log entries corresponding to the Feb 26 12:37:13 mail fetchmail[6236]: SMTP-Fehler: 550 5.1.1 about-du...@localhost: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table fetchmail entry? /var/log/mail.err :

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-26 Thread Karl O. Pinc
Oliver Glueck's first post has the right config parameter, but it still wouldn't hurt to verify what postfix think's it's alias maps are: # postconf | grep ^alias_maps alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases Likewise, in the verify assumptions category,

[Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-25 Thread Oliver Glueck
Hello, at first: sorry for my bad English, German is my preferred language and I'm not a Linux guru. I'm not sure about my malman installation. I will show at first some facts: - LAN: our LAN domain is intern.company.de - the mail server in the LAN: mail.intern.company.de - on

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

2009-02-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
Oliver Glueck wrote: I'm not sure about my malman installation. I will show at first some facts: - LAN: our LAN domain is intern.company.de - the mail server in the LAN: mail.intern.company.de - on mail.intern.company.de is running open xchange on an UCS (unvention corporate server, a debian)

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation on Solaris 10

2009-01-13 Thread Hank van Cleef
I'm beginning to replace the Mailman 2.1.9 installation on Solaris 9 Sparc, which has served us very well for the last two years. The new target machines are Sun Ultra 60's, one running Solaris 10-u4 (8/07) and the other, Solaris 10-u6 (10/08). All that is on either machine is a fresh install

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation on Solaris 10

2009-01-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
Hank van Cleef wrote: I went through the Mailman web page to find a download site. Going to Sourceforge offers only 2.12.rc1 unless you click stable on the first screen. I was unable to download either 2.1.11 or 2.1.12 from Sourceforge. That site links to Superb Hosting, which appears to be

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation with more then 16000 lists

2008-10-28 Thread Thijs Braem
Hello everyone, It appears we hit the 32k-inodes-per-directory limit in ext2fs today, so mailman can't create any new lists. We could of course move the lists to an XFS filesystem, but I was wondering if there is a way to not have mailman create 2 entries in the lists directory for every mailing

[Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation - broken pipe / operating system error

2008-03-09 Thread I-Ming Chen
Hi, I've been trying to figure out this problem and I've seen some mention of it in past mailing list archives but I still cannot figure it out. I'm getting the following message in my Logwatch file: System Error Messages: putbody: write error: Broken pipe: 164 Time(s) Cannot exec

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation - broken pipe / operatingsystem error

2008-03-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
I-Ming Chen wrote: I've been trying to figure out this problem and I've seen some mention of it in past mailing list archives but I still cannot figure it out. I'm getting the following message in my Logwatch file: System Error Messages: putbody: write error: Broken pipe: 164 Time(s)

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation and WestHost account upgrade

2008-01-28 Thread Odieresis [Gmail]
I'm a newbie and I'm experiencing problems after my provider changed my account. I can't restart Mailman list service via SSH after West Host provider upgraded my account to 3.0. With this upgrade they changed Python to 2.5 and now when I try to start Mailman with one of these two commands:

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation and WestHost account upgrade

2008-01-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Odieresis [Gmail] writes: I'm a newbie and I'm experiencing problems after my provider changed my account. I can't restart Mailman list service via SSH after West Host provider upgraded my account to 3.0. This is a provider problem, not a Mailman problem. Talk to your provider. If

[Mailman-Users] mailman installation with DMZ

2007-06-23 Thread Nick Airey
Hi Everyone, I would like some advice on the best way to set up a mailman installation in the presence of a DMZ, ie. I have a webserver in the DMZ which is accessible to the public. The MTA, however, is in the safe zone. The public needs access to the mailman web interface, implying that this

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation with DMZ

2007-06-23 Thread Brad Knowles
On 6/23/07, Nick Airey wrote: Any thoughts would be much appreciated. I'm leaning towards switching to option (b), but I'm not sure exactly how to split the installation. The reality is that there is no one single Best Practice for this situation. What is Best Practice for your site might

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions

2007-06-19 Thread Christopher Adams
Thank you for pointing that out. Mailman is now working okay. On 6/18/07, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher Adams wrote: Yes, I see that it is an Apache issue. In httpd.conf, for the Document Root, I have set: Directory / RewriteEngine On Options FollowSymLinks

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions

2007-06-18 Thread Christopher Adams
After a hardware failure, I am trying to install Mailman on another server. As per the documentation, I added myself to the Mailman group and ran the configure as me. I used --with-mail-gid=mailman and --with-cgi-gid=www. I then ran make install. It seemed to work okay. I ran ./check_perms -f

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions

2007-06-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Christopher Adams wrote: I then ran make install. It seemed to work okay. I ran ./check_perms -f and all looks okay. I went to the mailman directory and did this: cd /usr/local/mailman chgrp mailman . chmod a+rx,g+ws You don't trust check_perms? I added a ScriptAlias entry in the apache

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions

2007-06-18 Thread Christopher Adams
You don't trust check_perms? Not sure about that. What does the apache error_log say about this? client denied by server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create What are the ownership and permissions of the files in /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ ? mailman.mailman rwxr-sr-x

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions

2007-06-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Christopher Adams wrote: What does the apache error_log say about this? client denied by server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create So this is an apache configuration issue, not a Mailman permissions issue. Do you have ExecCGI implicitly or explicitly on the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions

2007-06-18 Thread Christopher Adams
On 6/18/07, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher Adams wrote: What does the apache error_log say about this? client denied by server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create So this is an apache configuration issue, not a Mailman permissions issue. Do you have

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions

2007-06-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Christopher Adams wrote: Yes, I see that it is an Apache issue. In httpd.conf, for the Document Root, I have set: Directory / RewriteEngine On Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI AllowOverride None Order deny,allow Deny from all So you are denying access to everyone not

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation on Solaris 10 crashes

2007-02-03 Thread vancleef
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 2, 2007, at 1:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: crashing on install of the Japanese and Korean Codecs. I swapped some offlist E-mails with Barry Sapiro and told him that I would I'm almost afraid to ask who Barry Sapiro is. Is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation on Solaris 10 crashes

2007-02-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 2, 2007, at 1:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: crashing on install of the Japanese and Korean Codecs. I swapped some offlist E-mails with Barry Sapiro and told him that I would I'm almost afraid to ask who Barry Sapiro is. Is that some

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation on Solaris 10 crashes

2007-02-01 Thread vancleef
A couple of weeks ago there were two or three posts about Mailman crashing on install of the Japanese and Korean Codecs. I swapped some offlist E-mails with Barry Sapiro and told him that I would investigate this for him when I did a fresh install of Solaris 10 on a box to be used as a Mailman

[Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation Owner

2005-12-14 Thread Kory Wheatley
Hi All, I have a very critical question. I installed Mailman 2.1.6 under a user account called wheakory and this account needs to be removed off of our system fast. I would like to change ownership of the Mailman installer owner to mailacct which is another account on our system. My group is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation Owner

2005-12-14 Thread Carl Zwanzig
In a flurry of recycled electrons, Kory Wheatley wrote: I have a very critical question. I installed Mailman 2.1.6 under a user account called wheakory and this account needs to be removed off of our system fast. I would like to change ownership of the Mailman installer owner to mailacct

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation Owner

2005-12-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Carl Zwanzig wrote: In a flurry of recycled electrons, Kory Wheatley wrote: Here's the configuration I used to install Mailman 2.16 logged in as the wheakory user account. ./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/bin/python --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=www That

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation

2005-09-04 Thread lkolchin
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mohammad Moghimi Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:33 PM To: Mailman-Users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation Hi I'm using SuSE Linux Professional 9.3. Is there any howto or documetation for installing mailman in SuSE.? As you know MailMan

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation

2005-09-01 Thread Mohammad Moghimi
Hi I'm using SuSE Linux Professional 9.3. Is there any howto or documetation for installing mailman in SuSE.? As you know MailMan is in default packages of SuSE 9.3. -- Mohammad do you Python?!! -- Mailman-Users mailing list

[Mailman-Users] mailman installation

2005-08-02 Thread Mohammad Moghimi
I want to install mailman. when I try to configure it I got this error message: checking for --with-python... no checking for python... /usr/bin/python checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python checking Python version... 2.4 checking that Python has a working distutils... configure: error:

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation

2005-08-02 Thread Jim Tittsler
On Aug 2, 2005, at 16:48, Mohammad Moghimi wrote: checking Python version... 2.4 checking that Python has a working distutils... configure: error: * Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python * If you installed Python from RPM (or other package manager) * be

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation across two servers

2005-02-17 Thread Tony . McCrory
Hi I like to keep my setup simple here. Web servers run apache. Mail servers run sendmail. The two are never mixed. Is there a way to install mailman such that its web interface can be on the web boxes, and the mail processing is handled by the mail boxes? If not, how would you normally

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation across two servers

2005-02-17 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Feb 17, 2005, at 2:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I like to keep my setup simple here. Web servers run apache. Mail servers run sendmail. The two are never mixed. What we did when we had to do this was simply set up the web machine as a proxy. you still run mailman via apache on your

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation query

2005-01-25 Thread K. Thirumaran
Hi, Are you the Vamsi from Rose-Hulman? Cheers! Thiru -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives:

[Mailman-Users] Mailman installation

2004-01-02 Thread Jahir Jimenez
I want to install this tool to make my mail list public for other users on my Company Network, but, I don't know how to install it or manage the .tar file that you send to me Because I'm not too expert about linux's systems. If you got some documents or something to help me I'll appreciate it.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation

2004-01-02 Thread Jamie Penman-Smithson
On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 16:26, Jahir Jimenez wrote: I want to install this tool to make my mail list public for other users on my Company Network, but, I don't know how to install it or manage the .tar file that you send to me Because I'm not too expert about linux's systems. If you got some

[Mailman-Users] mailman installation confusion

2003-10-10 Thread Eric Evans
Hi, I hope that someone out there will be able to offer me some guidance. I'm trying to install mailman on a Solaris machine, with apache, and I'm tremendously confused. To begin with, what would you recommend as appropriate values to use for the configuration options --with-mail-gid and

[Mailman-Users] mailman installation [newbieish]

2003-03-11 Thread Mike
Sorry this seems newbieish, however, i've been having a bit of trouble getting mailman to run. Currently we use a microsoft exchange server for our main e-mail, but i would like to setup a better system for mailing lists and such so we decided to install redhat 8 on it and use mailman. I

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation [newbieish]

2003-03-11 Thread Todd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike wrote: I followed the instructions and on the download page and unpac ked it into a mailman directory within the home directory. Unfortunatly i'm not very clear on what to do next. The documentation says it contains all information about

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation, How to from source[newbieish]

2003-03-11 Thread Jon Carnes
Mike you can find more detail in the Archives (or the FAQ), but here it is in a nutshell: - Create a user and a group called mailman - Version 2.0.13 will use the home directory of the mailman user so make sure that it exists and that the directory belongs to both the user and group mailman. In

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation

2002-11-19 Thread Jeremy Portzer
On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 16:39, Bodnyk, Bruce W wrote: Hi! I'm trying to get Mailman 2.0.13 running. I believe I followed the installation instructions correctly however the cron job that runs sends me the following error messages. Any idea what I need to do to fix it. Have you run the

[Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation

2002-11-18 Thread Bodnyk, Bruce W
Hi! I'm trying to get Mailman 2.0.13 running. I believe I followed the installation instructions correctly however the cron job that runs sends me the following error messages. Any idea what I need to do to fix it. Thanks Bruce From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Nov 18 13:08:01 2002 Envelope-to:

[Mailman-Users] mailman installation problem

2002-04-05 Thread Rantanen, TC1
Hello, I am trying to get mailman up and go, the box is running mailman-2.0.8-1 exim-3.22.-2 apache-1.3.23.8 red hat 7.2 I tried to look through the docs but am not able to find a referecne to were mailman hooks into the webserver. from the command line I do a

[Mailman-Users] MailMan installation web page problems?

2001-01-13 Thread John G. Lussmyer
I was just reading up on Mailman at your web site, and found the installation page seems to be missing most of it's content. http://www.list.org/install-start.html -- John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream http://www.CasaDelGato.com