Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: > I can see that if your attackers get smarter, the real name check could > be useful, but I'm not ready to add that as a feature. That could change > if they successfully attack me, but that hasn't happened yet. Based on past experience, by "me" Mark means "you, too". He'

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/22/2016 04:05 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > Just to be clear, the bots are doing a GET of the listinfo page, > extracting the token, and then (mis)forming the GET URL like this: > > 89.32.127.178 - - [22/Dec/2016:23:53:29 +] "GET > /mailman/listinfo/users HTTP/1.1" 200 2866 "-" "Mozilla/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-22 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/22/2016 03:38 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: >> >> I'm seeing GET attempts like this: >> >> 77.247.181.165 - - [22/Dec/2016:23:30:10 +] "GET >> /subscribe/users?sub_form_token=1527449307%3A0ca6e66379d0e6e9c45b66d93d5864da4621&email=jcon

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/22/2016 03:38 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > I'm seeing GET attempts like this: > > 77.247.181.165 - - [22/Dec/2016:23:30:10 +] "GET > /subscribe/users?sub_form_token=1527449307%3A0ca6e66379d0e6e9c45b66d93d5864da4621&email=jconno2215%40gmail.com&fullname=585c61c234d98&pw=&pw-conf=&dig

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/22/2016 01:53 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > I know the GLOBAL_BAN_LIST is for email addrs, but what would it take > to implement the same (or some field validation logic) for the > "fullname" field of the subscription page. I'm still seeing a ton of > subscribe spam attempts, and the fullna

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-22 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/22/2016 03:01 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: >> >> I think i have a better solution, (but I'm not so sure how to do this >> in Apache). In Nginx you can use "limit_except PUT { deny all; }" >> to deny the spambot GET attempts. > > in apache 2

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/22/2016 03:01 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > I think i have a better solution, (but I'm not so sure how to do this > in Apache). In Nginx you can use "limit_except PUT { deny all; }" > to deny the spambot GET attempts. in apache 2.4 you would do Require all denied Requi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-22 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Steve has answered most of this. I just want to add a couple of things. >> With respect to web subscribes, several sites including python.org have >> seen mail bomb attacks via the w

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-22 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Steve has answered most of this. I just want to add a couple of things. > With respect to web subscribes, several sites including python.org have > seen mail bomb attacks via the web subscribe interface. > > These are subscribes via the web

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/12/2016 03:07 PM, Edward Hasbrouck wrote: > > How can I stop this? I am willing to give up "subscribe to this list by > e-mail", and require all subscriptions to be via the Web. Steve has answered most of this. I just want to add a couple of things. With respect to web subscribes, severa

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/13/2016 03:54 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Edward Hasbrouck writes: > > > How can I stop this? I am willing to give up "subscribe to this list by > > e-mail", and require all subscriptions to be via the Web. > > Set Privacy Options | subscribe_policy to "Require approval". That won

[Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Edward Hasbrouck writes: > (2) Spam with forged "From:" headers is sent to > "listname-requ...@domain.com". > How can I stop this? I am willing to give up "subscribe to this list by > e-mail", and require all subscriptions to be via the Web. Set Privacy Options | subscribe_policy to "Requi

[Mailman-Users] Spam to "-request" address generating backscatter spam

2016-12-12 Thread Edward Hasbrouck
My mail server has been blacklisted by several major e-mail providers because of backscatter spam generated by my Mailman installation: (1) Spammers harvest the "listname-requ...@domain.com" address from a public Web page (presumably the Mailman admin page). (2) Spam with forged "From:" header