On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:04:00 -0700
Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and passwords on unsubs are silly (sorry, Barry). Users who want
to unsubscribe want off. they don't want to play games, they just
want to leave. I have, in the last decade, seen ONE instance of
forged unsubs on my
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:44:10AM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
Do some Google searches on Chuq. He's earned, not claimed, his
laurels.
You're preaching to the choir. :)
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Linux Now! ..Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.
phil stracchino -- the renaissance man
Some wisdom posted on the exim list a while back (on the subject of
trying to persuade people that its not some person with good typing
skills sending out bounce messages) may fit into the current discussion.
See
http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-2710/019372.html
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:41:48 -0400, JT wrote:
[deletia]
users (like web *and* mail-command use). Perhaps an install-time or
list-creation-time option to choose standard templates or 'newbie'
templates would be a good idea. If I get time to write an alternate
template, or if I write one for a
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:55:22 -0700
Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday, June 14, 2001, at 12:44 AM, J C Lawrence wrote:
Maintaining good will and earnestness in the face of continual
unresponsive blunt assault tends to be dehumanising.
You even see it on this list, both
On Thursday, June 14, 2001, at 09:43 AM, Harold Paulson wrote:
Perhaps an install-time or
list-creation-time option to choose standard templates or 'newbie'
templates would be a good idea.
An expert and newbie template, Yum!
Or, with a little more work, do both. New subscribers get the
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:55:22AM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
And I note for the record that my suggestion that everyone stop blaming
mailman's problems on stupid users and instead go fix mailman fell on
deaf ears -- but it seems to have shut down the thread at the same time.
Because
On Thursday, June 14, 2001, at 07:41 AM, JT wrote:
Any job that brings you into contact with the
general public is going to bring you to the inescapable conclusions
that a good percentage of the population might as well walk around
dressed in animal skins, dragging a human femur.
A small
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 11:04:00AM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
[snip]
A small percentage. maybe 1/2 of 1%. The problem is that their hassle
factor is way out of proportion to their numbers.
Agreed.
[snip]
Try working a cash
register for a couple months and you'll see how true this
On Thursday, June 14, 2001, at 12:37 PM, J C Lawrence wrote:
On three occasions we
had unsub wars rather than admit defeat in an argument.
I love that kind of person. Hell, when I was young and had to win
fights, I was that person.
it's kinda weird to be doing the in the Good Old days,
On Thursday, June 14, 2001, at 12:43 PM, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
I think I'm gonna go find a tree to sit under. I'll be back later.
sorry, folks. That was meant to go privately, not to the entire list. I
pushed the wrong button.
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Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com
Heyhey,
Wouldn't it be good to state that Mailman is for Unix servers only in the
beginning of the websites pages?
I think it would bounce of a few dozen of people who subscribe to this list
and will get disapointed anyway.
And frustrated too because they get 70 emails or so a day and don't know
On Wednesday 13 June 2001 02:25 am, Enriko Groen wrote:
And frustrated too because they get 70 emails or so a day and don't know
how to leave the list.
All they have to do is to display the headers of one of the mail messages.
The unsubscribe information is in there.
.../Ed
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On 06:56 AM 6/13/01, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
EG == Enriko Groen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
EG Wouldn't it be good to state that Mailman is for Unix servers
EG only in the beginning of the websites pages? I think it would
EG bounce of a few dozen of people who subscribe to this
On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, at 07:53 AM, JC Dill wrote:
I subscribe to the teach them to fish method,
I used to. Now I'm in the parents don't want justice, they want quiet
mode, and I do what's fastest and easiest for me, which is usually to
just unsubscribe them. I've had one too many
On 08:44 AM 6/13/01, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, at 07:53 AM, JC Dill wrote:
I subscribe to the teach them to fish method,
I used to. Now I'm in the parents don't want justice, they want quiet
mode, and I do what's fastest and easiest for me, which is usually
On 08:17 AM 6/13/01, Satya wrote:
On Jun 13, 2001 at 07:53, JC Dill wrote:
There are too many people on the Internet these days who CAN NOT view all
the message headers. AOL hides many headers. Hotmail hides many
headers. Yahoo hides many headers. Even if there is some process the user
On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, at 09:55 AM, JC Dill wrote:
Which means that they will expect ME to do the same when they come to
my list.
You don't have to kvetch at me over this. I know this. I've been on the
net for 20 years now, teaching people how to fish. I've taught enough
people to
On Jun 13, 2001 at 08:08, JC Dill wrote:
On 06:56 AM 6/13/01, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
The first sentence under the Requirements, Download section of
Mailman currently runs only on Unix-y systems, such as Linux,
Put it on the home page.
Not a bad idea, but the requirements section
On Jun 13, 2001 at 09:59, JC Dill wrote:
On 08:17 AM 6/13/01, Satya wrote:
The software that hides so many headers with no way of viewing them is
broken.
Yes, and AOL 6 is broken in that it doesn't (easily) let the sender send in
Plain Text. If 20% of your users use AOL 6, what are you
JC Dill wrote:
I don't let clueless newbies tell me what they want me to do for
them. Period. Occasionally someone tries to boss me around and gets
roasted for their efforts. I bet they won't try that again with the next
list admin... And if it keeps them off mailing lists entirely (go
On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, at 11:38 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
They don't want you to teach them how to fish ...
learning is hard, and they might hurt themselves on the hook.
many times, this really means we need improved fish hooks.
Frankly -- while list server software has made big
On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 11:46:41AM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, at 11:38 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
They don't want you to teach them how to fish ...
learning is hard, and they might hurt themselves on the hook.
Is it the idiot's fault if they can't
On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, at 12:08 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
What gets me frustrated is the
people who actively *don't want* to understand, because no matter how
simple it is, they want it done for them
why is the internet supposed to be immune from real life? you've never
seen people
A == Amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A What I want to know is, how can someone who runs filmless
A contrast-doppler radiology equipment, or microneurosurgical
A tools, etc., complain that unsubscribing from a freaking
A newsletter is too technical ?
I once knew of a chief of
Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
I once knew of a chief of a very large medical informatics research
organization that never learned how to use a mouse.
Mouse? What's a mouse? We don't need no stinkin' mouse!
You know, on the flip side of that coin, when I was working
(specifically) as a QA, a bug
On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, at 12:33 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
A tools, etc., complain that unsubscribing from a freaking
A newsletter is too technical ?
I once knew of a chief of a very large medical informatics research
organization that never learned how to use a mouse.
It's
Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
Can I program a boot rom? nope. Can you? A virtual memory implementation?
Why do some of us make the assumption that because someone is trained,
technical or smart (choose whichever term you prefer) that this somehow
endows them with the magical ability to use a
Darn good reality checks Chuq, thanks. :)
CVR == Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CVR What can be done to clean up mailman's rough edges and make
CVR it easier ot use, especially by the end-user who's not a
CVR techie? where is the documentation weak? or missing? Where
On Wednesday 13 June 2001 09:53 am, JC Dill wrote:
On 04:38 AM 6/13/01, Ed Wilts wrote:
On Wednesday 13 June 2001 02:25 am, Enriko Groen wrote:
And frustrated too because they get 70 emails or so a day and don't
know how to leave the list.
All they have to do is to display the
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