Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-26 Thread J C Lawrence
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:39:32 -0400 bob Puff@NLE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, can't say I've seen the long turnaround, but you could still play with the numbers, based on the fact that the mailbot will generate one reply for every message it receives. In other words, you could make a rule

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-26 Thread J C Lawrence
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:57:38 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (we could, I guess, get into my position that e-mail is a horrible way to do this sort of stuff... After all, on a typical discussion list, what's usually the first thing that happens after a bunch of people get

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-26 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 10:43 PM, J C Lawrence wrote: I have a long standing rule on how I reward such people: I unsubscribe them, immediately if not sooner. I'm not that hard-@ss yet, but it's one reason why I have (and enforce) a don't try to be a list mom rule. My rules are

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-26 Thread J C Lawrence
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:46:02 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 10:43 PM, J C Lawrence wrote: I have a long standing rule on how I reward such people: I unsubscribe them, immediately if not sooner. I'm not that hard-@ss yet... Hehn. And who is

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-26 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
claw == [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: claw Ultimately I'd like to see separate moderate queues for the claw different hold reasons (at least at the UI level). Thus, claw for instance I'd like to be able to view just the messages claw held for moderator approval, just those

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Amanda
Chuq Von Rospach wrote: Did the guy who set up the mailbot give mailman any way of telling this was a mailbot, or a loop? Did they include any keywords, like out of the office or vacation or I am an idiot who's mailbot is going to make you crazy now? [snip] If you can find something the

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 04:22 PM, Amanda wrote: I now have a filter that reads something like this: If this text appears in the subject or body of the message, send it to the trash mailbox: out of the office; [..etc...] And once you've done that, add in german, french, russian,

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 08:21 PM, Bob Puff@NLE wrote: Relatively easy. Set a limit on how many messages a user can post in say a 10 minute period. Make it user editable. If you get 8, you've got a loop! that slows it down, but doesn't catch any but the worst loops. It's just as

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chuq Von Rospach wrote: On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 08:21 PM, Bob Puff@NLE wrote: Relatively easy. Set a limit on how many messages a user can post in say a 10 minute period. Make it user editable. If you get 8, you've got a loop! that slows it down, but doesn't catch any but

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
CVR == Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would be nice if Mailman was more resistant to these mail loops [2]. CVR Suggestions on how? One approachable suggestion: put a governor on the number of messages any one address is allowed to post to a list per time period.

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 09:13 PM, Bob Puff@NLE wrote: That was one wild autoresponder! yeah. Made ME much more aware of why these things need to behave properly. I try, although sometimes I fall short with my stuff. But I still maintain that having the two variables I mentioned, x

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
CVR == Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CVR Could the new queueing system be set up with a timed-backoff CVR delay? you'd have to keep a fair amount of state, but the CVR minimum time between postings for a given user is, say, 30 CVR minutes, and every time they post

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 09:19 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: Nope, and I agree with everything you've said. What I was thinking of was flagging situations where you see 10 or 50 or 100 posts from the same address in the span of a couple of minutes. But you won't see that, Barry. Think

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 09:41 PM, Bob Puff@NLE wrote: I agree that false positives are bad. But let's take a look at the past few messages people have posted, true -- but it's no excuse to fix it badly. Or simply create other problems. I doubt even the most prolific poster is