Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Gadi Evron writes: crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? I think that, as Mark alludes to, this feature would be harder to implement usefully than you'd think. It sounds easy, but remember, in a very large share cases where it would be useful *your mail system

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common for those of us behind corporate firewalls) 3. My email is broken, but my internet it still working However, even with these reasons, I wouldn't consider it a big deal,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Bill Catambay writes: 1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common for those of us behind corporate firewalls) 3. My email is broken, but my internet it still working However, even with these reasons, I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Gadi Evron
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Gadi Evron writes: crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? I think that, as Mark alludes to, this feature would be harder to implement usefully than you'd think. It sounds easy, but remember, in a very large share cases where it

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Gadi Evron
Bill Catambay wrote: 1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common for those of us behind corporate firewalls) 3. My email is broken, but my internet it still working However, even with these reasons, I wouldn't consider

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Brad Knowles
On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Gadi Evron wrote: Brad Knowles wrote: At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually give you the support you require. Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? I can see that it might be a useful

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Gadi Evron wrote: Actually, I spoke of a possible _announcement_ feature, not an emergency feature. I see two requests in this thread. The original appeared to be a request for a way to send a regular post to a list via the admin web interface, which would be useful in cases where for whatever

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 7:32 PM +0900 on 11/23/09, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Bill Catambay writes: 1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common for those of us behind corporate firewalls) 3. My email is broken, but my internet it

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: The second request, which might also satisfy the first if it were implemented as a web service, seems to be for a way to send a message right now to all members of a list (or all lists?) regardless of digest and nomail settings. Actually, MM2

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 7:56 AM -0800 on 11/23/09, Mark Sapiro wrote: I see two requests in this thread. The original appeared to be a request for a way to send a regular post to a list via the admin web interface, which would be useful in cases where for whatever reason, the list was working but email delivery

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 11:05 AM -0500 on 11/23/09, Barry Warsaw wrote: The second request, which might also satisfy the first if it were implemented as a web service, seems to be for a way to send a message right now to all members of a list (or all lists?) regardless of digest and nomail settings. Actually,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: The second request, which might also satisfy the first if it were implemented as a web service, seems to be for a way to send a message right now to all members of a list (or all lists?) regardless of digest and nomail

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I knew I'd seen that somewhere. Problem was I looked for it as an RFE and not as an existing feature :) :) -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part --

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 09:42 -0600, Brad Knowles wrote: However, the laundry list of useful features that could be added to Mailman is several miles long and almost as wide, and I'm not qualified to judge where on that laundry list this particular feature would/should fall -- I'll leave that to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 1:32 PM +0200 on 11/23/09, Gadi Evron wrote: Actually, I spoke of a possible _announcement_ feature, not an emergency feature. Announcement feature would be better, since it's not always going to be an emergency (and would still work in my situation). -- ,,,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bill Catambay wrote: If by send a message, you mean email a message to the normal foo-list email address, then I'm back to square one (i.e., it will never reach anyone on the list because of the aliases being whacked). But, I hope you understand that your specific need/situation - email

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 8:52 AM -0800 on 11/23/09, Mark Sapiro wrote: Bill Catambay wrote: If by send a message, you mean email a message to the normal foo-list email address, then I'm back to square one (i.e., it will never reach anyone on the list because of the aliases being whacked). But, I hope you

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Terri Oda wrote: Maybe a nice in-between solution would be making sure the FAQ/Documentation had an entry saying if you need to get an emergency message out and Mailman is not working, here's how to get the whole subscriber list and send a Bcc'ed mail Anyone want to volunteer to stick that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: An ever-increasing number of software packages support the installation of 3rd party extensions, said extensions supporting the activities of installation, deactivation and removal, leaving the core system unaltered. This provides end

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Bill Catambay wrote: If by send a message, you mean email a message to the normal foo- list email address, then I'm back to square one (i.e., it will never reach anyone on the list because of the aliases being whacked). Honestly, I don't see Mailman doing

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:55:31AM -0800, Bill Catambay wrote: Given my current situation (as rare as this situation may be), I have come to realize that an emergency broadcast feature would be an indispensable tool to have right now. Since my host made the alias change on my mailing list,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bill Catambay wrote: Given my current situation (as rare as this situation may be), I have come to realize that an emergency broadcast feature would be an indispensable tool to have right now. Since my host made the alias change on my mailing list, but did not create the MX record for the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Brad Knowles
On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: This could be done with bin/inject on the Mailman server to inject a message directly into Mailman's in/ queue bypassing the MTA, but you don't have the required access. Since you don't have the required access, I do see the need in your case,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Bill Catambay
The weekend crew at my ISP are general tech support (i.e., they really only handle internet connection issues). My ISP does have an Operations group which usually are pretty knowledgeable, but I they simply aren't working on the weekend. For what it's worth, they are the best ISP I have had

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Larry Stone
On 11/22/09 2:53 PM, Bill Catambay at and...@excaliburworld.com wrote: When I used Autoshare listserver software, it ran on my home server (a Mac), and I never had to rely on anyone for support (handled everything myself). Unfortunately, that software has not been updated in over 10 years

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread LuKreme
On 22-Nov-2009, at 13:53, Bill Catambay wrote: When I used Autoshare listserver software, it ran on my home server (a Mac), and I never had to rely on anyone for support (handled everything myself). Unfortunately, that software has not been updated in over 10 years and is no longer

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Sales at Just Brits
On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: This could be done with bin/inject on the Mailman server to inject a message directly into Mailman's in/ queue bypassing the MTA, but you don't have the required access. Since you don't have the required access, I do see the need in your

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Gadi Evron
Brad Knowles wrote: At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually give you the support you require. Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? I remember a few occasion when I needed to grab the subscribers list and email everyone

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread LuKreme
On 22-Nov-2009, at 17:14, Gadi Evron wrote: Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? It could be useful in a very narrow set of circumstances. the question is, is it worth putting resources into such a feature for those very few times this would be useful? My

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Terri Oda
LuKreme wrote: On 22-Nov-2009, at 17:14, Gadi Evron wrote: Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? It could be useful in a very narrow set of circumstances. the question is, is it worth putting resources into such a feature for those very few times this