Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-13 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 4/10/19 7:36 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > On 4/10/19 12:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> The path forward is to increase the community of MM 3 users which will >> result in more people contributing to the project and faster progress. > > On that note, I migrated my half-dozen lists (a few hundred

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-11 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users
On 4/11/2019 3:22 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: ... If you want something that's never going to change, Python 2.7 is as good as anything else. Some orgs have "cybersecurity" with "vulnerability scanners". You may have to spend more time hiding your python version from them, then you'll

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Carl Zwanzig writes: > On 4/10/2019 11:36 AM, Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users wrote: > > (That said, given the history of python, my question would be if there > > are any plans to port MM2 to golang or maybe gnat.) Not within the Mailman project. It seems pointless to me. If you want

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Dave McGuire
On 4/10/19 12:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The path forward is to increase the community of MM 3 users which will > result in more people contributing to the project and faster progress. On that note, I migrated my half-dozen lists (a few hundred recipients in total) to MM3 yesterday. I'm

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 4/10/19 2:53 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > What Mailman things need assistance in MM3? I've avoided jumping in because > honestly every time I looked it seemed like all the focus was everything but > the email reflector bits. There are (at the moment) 509 open issues at

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 4/10/19 12:08 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > Maybe there's a place for a community-driven port of MM2 onto python3. I > am not volunteering, too many other projects currently. I think a much more productive use of the community's resources would be implementation of a light weight, non-Django

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 4/10/19 12:08 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > The main thing is that from appearances MM3 is large enterprise-grade > list manager, but many of us don't need that, we need something for a > few (<100?) lists with a few (<500?) members. I can run that on a small > BSD box; spinning up django, sass,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Wed, 2019-04-10 at 09:25 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > The path forward is to increase the community of MM 3 users which will > result in more people contributing to the project and faster progress. What Mailman things need assistance in MM3? I've avoided jumping in because honestly every

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users
On 4/10/19 2:08 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > Or rust, or python3 (which might be the easiest). I'm not sufficiently > up on the python differences, but. it can't be -that- difficult. > (and aren't there tools to assist? some code claims to be both v2 and v3 > compatible) (gnat? that's really

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Matthew Goebel
I'm more worried another DMARC style debacle myself, more than a Python security issue, although that could be an issue. Thanks, Matt On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 3:29 PM Sean McBride wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:36:59 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users said: > > >On 4/10/19 12:49 PM, Sean

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 11:36:24AM -0400, Matthew Goebel wrote: > Now that all support for Python 2 is supposed to go away in 2020 are people > going to move off of mailman 2? Most of my mailman lists are run off a CentOS 6 box, have done for a long time, quite stable. CentOS 8 will (is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Sean McBride
On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:36:59 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users said: >On 4/10/19 12:49 PM, Sean McBride wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:38:34 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users said: >> >>> How much support for python 2 have you been getting until now, and why >>> do you believe you

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 4/10/2019 11:36 AM, Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users wrote: With a properly sandboxed application your security vulnerability has to be a) exploitable through that application and b) able to break out of the sandbox and wreak havoc to your host system. Exactly. (That said, given the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users
On 4/10/19 12:49 PM, Sean McBride wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:38:34 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users said: > >> How much support for python 2 have you been getting until now, and why >> do you believe you will need it in the future? > > Fixes to security vulnerabilities basically.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Sean McBride
On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:38:34 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users said: >> Now that all support for Python 2 is supposed to go away in 2020 are >> people going to move off of mailman 2? > >How much support for python 2 have you been getting until now, and why >do you believe you will need it

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users
On 4/10/19 10:36 AM, Matthew Goebel wrote: > Hey, > > Now that all support for Python 2 is supposed to go away in 2020 are > people going to move off of mailman 2? How much support for python 2 have you been getting until now, and why do you believe you will need it in the future? -- Dimitri

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 4/10/19 8:46 AM, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > I'll probably continue with MM2 until either it's ported > to python3 or I stop running these lists. The GNU Mailman project will never port Mailman 2.1 to Python 3. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 4/10/19 8:36 AM, Matthew Goebel wrote: > > Now that all support for Python 2 is supposed to go away in 2020 are > people going to move > off of mailman 2? I've been looking at mailman 3 and finding it hard to > grok after using > mailman 2 for many years. I haven't seen a discussion about

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?

2019-04-10 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 4/10/2019 8:36 AM, Matthew Goebel wrote: Now that all support for Python 2 is supposed to go away in 2020 are people going to move off of mailman 2? I've been looking at mailman 3 and finding it hard to grok after using mailman 2 for many years. I haven't seen a discussion about this so