Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: John Fitzsimons writes: This message was delivered by email from Gmane to mailman. It was apperently posted via NNTP to Gmane by the poster and then mailed by Gmane to the list. Hopefully Gmane waits for the reply to the list email before it accepts the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Mark Sapiro writes: This is all irrelevant. Since the posts from Gmane are arriving via the NNTP gateway, no membership tests whatsoever are applied to the post - no list member, no moderation, no *_these_nonmembers. Are you sure? The way I read Received:

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: Hopefully Gmane waits for the reply to the list email before it accepts the post. I'm not sure what you're asking, I think what John wants to happen is the following. Whether it actually works this way or not, I don't know, but I think it might. - User

Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

2010-01-22 Thread Young, Darren
There's a lot in there so I attached it. Not sure if this list allows attachments but I'll try here anyways. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:04 AM To: Young, Darren; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE:

Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

2010-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Young, Darren wrote: There's a lot in there so I attached it. Not sure if this list allows attachments but I'll try here anyways. The text/plain attachment was allowed, but the message was too big. I trimmed the attachment leaving only a few relevant parts. See my comments inline and at the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

2010-01-22 Thread Young, Darren
The text/plain attachment was allowed, but the message was too big. I trimmed the attachment leaving only a few relevant parts. See my comments inline and at the end. I had a feeling it would be one or the other. [...] drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman 4096 Jan 20 12:26 perl-ad-manager-users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

2010-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Young, Darren wrote: Issue #2 is once again an obvious thing to have checked, but I think archiving must be disabled in mm_cfg.py with ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1 Nothing set in mm_cfg.py for that but it is set to -1 in Defaults.py. I just set it to 0, didn't even think about looking in there for

Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

2010-01-22 Thread Young, Darren
Issue #2 is once again an obvious thing to have checked, but I think archiving must be disabled in mm_cfg.py with ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1 Nothing set in mm_cfg.py for that but it is set to -1 in Defaults.py. I just set it to 0, didn't even think about looking in there for it, sorry,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread Geoff Shang
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote: I would like to know how to access the archive file so that I can delete it by FTP. I cannot however find it ! Maybe my web hoster has somehow made the directory invisible ? Mailman files are usually put somewhere other than in your hosting area.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Geoff Shang wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote: I would like to know how to access the archive file so that I can delete it by FTP. I cannot however find it ! Maybe my web hoster has somehow made the directory invisible ? Mailman files are usually put somewhere other than in

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread Geoff Shang
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote: I would like to know how to access the archive file so that I can delete it by FTP. I cannot however find it ! Maybe my web hoster has somehow made the directory invisible ? Sorry. I missed the above query.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Geoff Shang wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: If your FTP session is not chrooted to your own home directory or some other limitation, you chould be able to find them. But presumably not delete them. Presumably not, but it wouldn't be the first time that people had permission

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread John Fitzsimons
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:42:25 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Mark Sapiro writes: snip Eventually, we'll find out if it works. I suspect it does, Preliminary testing suggests that it IS working. I do too, because larsi is not an idiot. I have to imagine that like 99% of messages that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread John Fitzsimons
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:59:20 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: Geoff Shang wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: If your FTP session is not chrooted to your own home directory or some other limitation, you chould be able to find them. But presumably not delete them. Presumably not, but it

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
John Fitzsimons wrote: But this does lead me to think of a few more questions. If I closed my mailing list then wouldn't all the Mailman archive files be deleted ? That's a cPanel question. In standard Mailman, whether you remove a list from the command line with bin/rmlist or via the rmlist

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread John Fitzsimons
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:12:46 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: John Fitzsimons wrote: snip If I did that then I could presumably start the list again. Identical to the previous list. But with archiving turned off from the beginning ? The drawback is all user options/passwords/etc. get lost. Yes,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
John Fitzsimons wrote: Yes, the loss of user options I can live with BUT the loss of passwords would be a concern. In this case the Gmane subscription. I don't think the password of the Gmane subscription to the Mailman list is important. If I un subscribed them, then re-subscribed them,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread John Fitzsimons
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:33:07 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: John Fitzsimons wrote: Yes, the loss of user options I can live with BUT the loss of passwords would be a concern. In this case the Gmane subscription. I don't think the password of the Gmane subscription to the Mailman list is important.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

2010-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
John Fitzsimons wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:33:07 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: The script is not a screen scraper in that sense. It accesses the list's admin Membership Management... - Membership List pages and parses them to get the data. Via my browser, or via an FTP logon ? I am using a