Re: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened by the subscriber ?
On 7/27/2017 10:09 AM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote: Compare it with normal (paper, snail mail) you send out to your clients. There, you have no guarantee if the recipient opened it / looked at it - unless you send it by "registered mail". FWIW: Even sending registered snail mail is no guarantee that the letter was opened or read ... just that it was delivered. As to the OP's question ... There's no sure way to verify a message has been read. Some MLM systems use HTML beacons, but they are trivial to defeat. In fact, most email programs provide the option to not load remote images when viewing. Also, if someone chooses to read all mail in plain text, the beacon is meaningless. david -- IBM i on Power Systems: For when you can't afford to be out of business! I'm riding a metric century (100 km / 65 miles) in the American Diabetes Association's Tour de Cure to raise money for diabetes research, education, advocacy, and awareness. You can make a tax deductible donation to my ride by visiting http://gmane.diabetessucks.net. My goal is $6000 but any amount is appreciated. You can see where my donations come from by visiting my interactive donation map ... http://gmane.diabetessucks.net/map (it's a geeky thing). I may have diabetes, but diabetes doesn't have me! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened by the subscriber ?
HI, we are using Mailman to send out our company newsletters. Is it possible to get some how any statistics about Mailman E-mails opened by the users ? I simply would like to be informed if user opened an E-mail. WIll it be possible ? Is it possible to get some statistics about bounced E-mails ? Thank You very much for Your support in advance. Greetings Dlugasny Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened by the subscriber ?
Hello Dlugasny via Mailman-Users. On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:43:43 -0400, you wrote: > we are using Mailman to send out our company newsletters. > Is it possible to get some how any statistics about Mailman E-mails > opened by the users ? I simply would like to be informed if user > opened an E-mail. No idea whether it is POSSIBLE, but I think it is a really BAD IDEA. Compare it with normal (paper, snail mail) you send out to your clients. There, you have no guarantee if the recipient opened it / looked at it - unless you send it by "registered mail". You really want to send the newsletters as registered mail to your clients? If I were youre client, I would be a FORMER client as soon as I notice this. I know that this is not what you want to know - but I think you should re-think the idea at least twice... Christian -- Christian F. Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: http://www.chance-for-children.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened by the subscriber ?
On 07/27/2017 11:04 AM, Robert Heller wrote: All you can know for sure is if the E-Mail was delivered and accepted by the final MTA server. You can't even be 100% sure of that. You can use SMTP's DSN feature to request to be notified when a message is delivered. However, chances are good that you will run into a server that will send back a DSN stating that the message has been relayed into a server / network that does not support DSNs. Thus no assurance that the message even made it to the final MTA server. Whether that server tossed the message into the bit bucket, or if the end-user deleted it unread or just never got around to actually opening message is not something you can be totally sure of. You can add a header to request an MDN, a.k.a. return receipt. Supposedly MDNs are supposed to tell you if a message was displayed. However that does not mean that the message was actually read. Both DSNs and MDNs are fairly easy to thwart. - That being said, they are probably the best methods to go towards your goal. It's just very likely that you will not actually achieve your goal. There are other tricks, like images in HTML email, that can be used. They tend to be subject to various opinions about how spamy they are. Many of which are frowned upon for that reason. *IF* you really do want to do something like this, use a graphic that is unique per user, make it actually show up (as more than 0x0 / 1x1 / etc) like a company logo does, and then track that way. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
