[Mailman-Users] archives not being created (qmail + stable mailman release)

2002-10-05 Thread Guido Sohne

I've installed Mailman as per the INSTALL and README.QMAIL
documentation. It works fine except for one thing, the list
archives are not being generated ... I've taken a look at
the mbox directories and they are indeed empty and devoid
of any life.

My Mailman configuration details are as follows:-

.qmail:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

.qmail-owner:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

.qmail-default:
|/usr/bin/python /home/mailman/scripts/qmail-to-mailman.py

Qmail is configured as follows:

lists.myhostname.net is in rcpthosts and virtualdomains

.qmail-mylistname contains the text
mailman

In virtualdomains, mail for lists.myhostname.net is 
handled by the mailman user ...

I don't know enough about mailman to know how the
email archives are generated so I do not know if 
the absence of a .maildir is the issue ...



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[Mailman-Users] Odd problem

2002-10-05 Thread Dr. David A. Zatz

Let me clarify my problem. When I edit my preferneces, now I was able to
get them to actually change - but they don't seem to affect actual list
behavior. The [ListName] is not sent, and mail always goes back to the
poster, notto the list. Can anyone illuminate me?

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[Mailman-Users] Re: OSX Jaguar smrsh - can't find that

2002-10-05 Thread LuKreme

On Thursday, Oct 3, 2002, at 15:50 Canada/Mountain, Brent Rossow wrote:
 Kathleen,

 Look here:  /usr/libexec/smrsh

 For future reference, you can use the following command to locate 
 files from
 the command line:

 find beginning_directory -name filename

Only do this if `locate filename` fails.

 EX:  find / -name smrsh

% locate smrsh

(I changed my locate to update daily instead of weekly)

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Greetings! :) New mailman user here.

2002-10-05 Thread LuKreme

On Friday, Oct 4, 2002, at 20:49 Canada/Mountain, Glenn Sieb wrote:
 1)  Will a soon-to-be-released version of Mailman support 
 attachment stripping?

The current version supports this (2.1b3)

 2)  Is there work going on to extend Mailman to have files areas 
 and such (similar to Yahoo Groups functionality)?

erm... I doubt it.  There are other ways to do this.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1b3 changing existing domain

2002-10-05 Thread Raquel Rice

On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:24:58 -0400 (EDT)
Fuzzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 application version
 --- ---
 mailman   2.1b3
 python2.2.1
 apache1.3.23
 sendmail  8.11.6
 
 
 I have some lists that migated to a virtual domain,
 (both Apache and Sendmail, virtual name based domains).
 
 I changed the host name this list prefers email to
 the virtual domain, and modified the virtusers table
 to route incoming mail to the the mailman aliases.
 
 Mailman now uses the correct virtual domain in email,
 and for mailto: URLs, but still uses the original
 domain in http:// URLs (the RFC2369 headers and the
 footer that MM adds to the post).
 
 How do I convince MM to use to use the correct
 virtual domains?
 
 I can get to both the admin and the listinfo
 pages using either domain (the real or the
 virtual). While I was logged in to the
 listinfo pages, I asked MM to tell me what
 mailing lists I was in, (it listed the ones
 in the virtual domain only). MM seems to
 know what address  is on which list at what
 domain. I guess I missed a setting someplace?
 

You need to take care of this in mm_cfg, using add_virtualhost(). 
The syntax can be found in Defaults.py.  Once your virtual hosts are
added there, it will work properly.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] OSX Jaguar smrsh - can't find that

2002-10-05 Thread Brent Rossow

Kathleen,

Look here:  /usr/libexec/smrsh

For future reference, you can use the following command to locate files from
the command line:

find beginning_directory -name filename

EX:  find / -name smrsh

OSXFAQ.com has had some good tips on using the find command lately.  :-)

Cheers,
Brent

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(715) 682-7244 (fax)

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 From: Kathleen Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:23:03 -0600
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSX Jaguar smrsh - can't find that
 
 Hi,
 
 On installing Mailman on Mac OSX 10.2(Jaguar), I'm stuck.
 
 The error report via e-mail is:
 
 - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
 |/Applications/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd ucet
   (reason: Service unavailable)
   (expanded from: ucet-request@xxx)
 
  - Transcript of session follows -
 smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
 
 ---
 In the README.SENDMAIL it says:
 
   % cd /etc/smrsh
   % ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper
 (I would do  % ln -s /Applications/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper )
 
 I've looked everywhere I know how to find smrsh in the OSX file system, so I
 can add the symbolic link.
 
 Does some wise person know where to find smrsh in OSX (Jaguar)?
 
 Kathy
 
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Protecting user data

2002-10-05 Thread Slap's Mailing List Account

Jon,

I may implement that for a temporary solution, but it does not take away
the full problem because anybody could be subscribed to the mailing list
(which isn't very high traffic anyhow) and see the IP addresses in the
message headers. Ideally I'd like to be able to protect my users from
being seen in the email headers at all. Is there any way to do this? Will
I have to do something with sendmail to make this happen?

Thanks
Sean



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[Mailman-Users] Ask information

2002-10-05 Thread vibert

Hello,

I don't know mailman or exhange 2000. But a customer want use mailman on linux with exhange 2000.
Could you tell me if you are agree with this configuration ? (Even a solution with sendmail or other is better. )And give me some leads about this architecture ?

Thanks,


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Greetings! :) New mailman user here.

2002-10-05 Thread Glenn Sieb

At 02:38 PM 10/5/2002 -0600, LuKreme posted the following...
On Friday, Oct 4, 2002, at 20:49 Canada/Mountain, Glenn Sieb wrote:
1)  Will a soon-to-be-released version of Mailman support attachment 
stripping?

The current version supports this (2.1b3)

Cool--thanks.. :)

2)  Is there work going on to extend Mailman to have files areas and 
such (similar to Yahoo Groups functionality)?

erm... I doubt it.  There are other ways to do this.

Hmm.. can you point me in the right direction? Most importantly I'm 
interested in the Files section.. I believe I can recreate the database 
and links sections via editing the HTML of the list page...

Thanks :)
Glenn


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[Mailman-Users] mailman.2.1b3 - bounces going to moderators?

2002-10-05 Thread Erik Myllymaki

Is this correct behaviour?

I thought the bounces that get past the auto bounce detection woulod only go
to the list owner, but they seem to be going to all the moderators too...


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[Mailman-Users] Announcement\ Digest options

2002-10-05 Thread director

Periodically I want to be able to blast announcements to my entire list, but
other times I want to just compile a digest for list members. I am unsure
what settings I use to achieve these goals.  Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Announcement\ Digest options

2002-10-05 Thread Jon Carnes

Set the list up as Digest only, then run a parallel list that you can simply
blast to.  You can use the command-line commands to keep the lists in sync
with each other.

You can also use the command-line tools to simply dump out a text file with
all the email addresses and then send you blast directly using the emails in
that file.

I think the Beta has a feature that works for doing this.  Alas the current
production does not.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
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Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:59 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement\ Digest options


 Periodically I want to be able to blast announcements to my entire list,
but
 other times I want to just compile a digest for list members. I am unsure
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[Mailman-Users] Beta 2.1b3 permission problem...

2002-10-05 Thread Glenn Sieb

I'm not sure if this is the right list... but I just got 2.1b3 (LOVE the 
mime-filter!) installed on my system, and was getting the GID problems, and 
went through (by the by, the GID/UID was set right...) and ran check_perms, 
etc... finally saw that mailman was:

-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  mailman  1739 Oct  5 20:29 mailman

It needs to be:

-rwxr-sr-x  1 root  mailman  1739 Oct  5 20:29 mailman

If this was a blame-me oops, I apologize in advance.. but I figured that 
check_perms would check to make sure that $prefix/scripts/mailman is 02755.

Anywho.. thanks again for this product.. you guys rock :)

Glenn

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ask information

2002-10-05 Thread Jon Carnes



Run Sendmail or Postfix locally on the linux 
box. You'll need a local mail transport.

You can setup the MTA (Sendmail or Postfix) to use 
the Exchange server as a Smart relay, or you can simply have it send the 
messages out directly.

When you setup the lists, you setupforwards 
from theExchange serverfor each listyou setup in Mailman, or 
youcan qualify the lists by using the host name such as:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

These will be different from your exchange lists 
which would be:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

===

Exchange has similar functionality to 
Mailman. In Exchange, the sysadmin can setup lists and then give ownership 
of those lists to various users. The owners can modify and manipulate the 
lists. They can also setup who can/cannot post to the lists.

I've setup Mailman to run alongside Exchange at a 
few clients. Mailman doesn't really give them much more than Exchange. 


Jon Carnes

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  AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ask 
  information
  Hello, I 
  don't know mailman or exhange 2000. But a customer want use mailman on 
  linux with exhange 2000. Could you 
  tell me if you are agree with this configuration ? (Even a solution with 
  sendmail or other is better. )And give me some leads about this architecture 
  ? Thanks, CIS - Patrick VIBERT - I.T.CTél : 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Announcement\ Digest options

2002-10-05 Thread Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2002-10-05 at 22:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jon,
 
 Can you give me examples of the command-line commands to keep the lists in
 sync or direct me to where I can find that information.

~mailman/bin/list_members listname - will dump out the email addresses
of a list

~mailman/bin/sync_members - can be used to sync the membership up with a
text file of email addresses. 

 
 Also when you say a parallel list, I am assuming that I establish another
 mailing list which is just used for blasting. Is there no way to turn on and
 off this feature within mailman?

You can modify the trigger values for the digest blast and then send
your message.  You are forcing your folks to use digest mode when they
subscribe to the list (or are subscribed to the list by you) - thus they
will only get a digest from the list.

For the message to go immediately, it either has to go out as a digest
(with adjusted trigger so it happens right away), or you have to send
the message out via another list (or directly).
 
 Good Luck - Jon Carnes



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RE: [Mailman-Users] Announcement\ Digest options

2002-10-05 Thread director

Jon,

Can you give me examples of the command-line commands to keep the lists in
sync or direct me to where I can find that information.

Also when you say a parallel list, I am assuming that I establish another
mailing list which is just used for blasting. Is there no way to turn on and
off this feature within mailman?

Thanks.
mc

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From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 8:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Announcement\ Digest options


Set the list up as Digest only, then run a parallel list that you can simply
blast to.  You can use the command-line commands to keep the lists in sync
with each other.

You can also use the command-line tools to simply dump out a text file with
all the email addresses and then send you blast directly using the emails in
that file.

I think the Beta has a feature that works for doing this.  Alas the current
production does not.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:59 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement\ Digest options


 Periodically I want to be able to blast announcements to my entire list,
but
 other times I want to just compile a digest for list members. I am unsure
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appreciated.

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[Mailman-Users] Mac OSX Jaguar Mailman/Sendmail - complete installation steps

2002-10-05 Thread Kathleen Webb

** Successful Jaguar (Mac OSX 10.2) installation steps for Mailman/Sendmail
**

I followed the instructions in the INSTALL file included with the Mailman
source. Because I am not an expert, I made several wrong turns. I kept a log
of the things I did as I went through the whole process.

I've cleaned up the steps I took and provide them here. I am NOT good at
UNIX, so some of the steps may actually not be in the absolutely correct
order, and some of the steps may even not be necessary. Feel free to comment
on mistakes I may have made, or decisions that may cause problems.

I have Mailman running now on my Macintosh laptop with  OS X 10.2 - Jaguar.
Others' mileage may vary.


Step 1) Collect all the things you need. (I include this step because most
Macintosh users will not have done any UNIX style installations.)

a) You need to use a text editor like BBEdit Lite.
http://www.barebones.com/

b) You need to download and decompress the Mailman software. (The
installation instructions are in step 4.) Download the software from:
http://www.list.org/

c) You need Stuffit Expander to uncompress BBEdit Lite and Mailman. Your
Macintosh probably already has Stuffit Expander installed.
http://www.aladdinsys.com/

d) You need to use the Terminal program on your OS X 10.2 computer. You'll
find in it the Utilities folder inside the Applications folder. You may want
to drag the Terminal icon to the dock for easy access.

e) You need to know how to change privileges with Jaguar. (To change a file
or folder's owner and/or group, click once on its icon, the choose File --
Show Info [command-I]. In the info box is the ability to look at the owner
and group. To change it, you click on the lock. A dialog box comes up with
your user name. Assuming you are an administrator on your machine - and thus
in the admin group, put in your password to unlock the ability to change a
file's ownership attributes.)

f) Python 2.2 comes pre-installed on your computer. It is already
functioning and ready for use by Mailman. (To verify you have Python, open
the Terminal application. at the  % prompt, type:
sudo Python -V
and then hit the enter/return key. You'll be prompted for your password.
When you enter it, the terminal will respond with the Python version.

g) Apache web server software comes pre-installed on your computer and has
already been configured and is running.

h) Sendmail is already installed on your computer but is not running,
doesn't have a folder smrsh needs and doesn't have an alias file.
(Instructions are in step 2 and step 6.)

i) You need to know how to get into hidden subdirectories. In the Finder,
use the Go menu and choose Go to Folder. Type in the path to the hidden
folder you need to open.

j) You need to know how to make a new user. You use the System Preferences
application [from the Apple menu]. Use the Accounts panel in the System
section.

k) You need to know how to run the Net Info Manager application. [It is in
the Utilities folder in the Applications folder.] You use this to create
groups.

l) You need to install the Developer Tools that came with your Jaguar disks
or several of the steps won't work (the Terminal command that begins with
m4).


Step 2) Get Sendmail running

a) From the Finder, use the Go menu and choose Go to Folder and type in:
/etc

b) Click once on the hostconfig icon and use the File menu to Show Info
[command-I]. Click on the lock to unlock the privileges. Change the owner to
yourself with read and write privileges. Close the Info window.

c) Use BBEdit to open hostconfig. Look down the file until you see the line
about the Mailserver. Change it to read:
  MAILSERVER=-YES-

d) Save the changes and close the hostconfig file.

e) With the hostconfig icon still selected, use the File menu to Show Info
[command-I]. Change the owner back to System. Close the Info window.

f) Either reboot your computer or open the Terminal application. At the %
prompt, type:
sudo nohup /System/Library/StartupItems/Sendmail 
Hit return/enter. Terminal will ask for your password. Put it in and hit
return/enter.

g) In the terminal application type:
sudo cp /usr/share/sendmail/conf/cf/generic-darwin.mc
/etc/mail/config.mc

h) From the finder, use the Go menu and Go to Folder. Type in:
/etc/mail

i) Select the config.mc icon and change its owner to you. (Use Show Info
from the Finder's File menu.)

j) use BBEdit to open config.mc.

k) Scroll down to find the
undefine(`ALIAS_FILE')
line. Remove that line. Add in these 3 lines:
 define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/mail/aliases')
 define(`confDONT_BLAME_SENDMAIL', `GroupWritableDirPathSafe')
 define(`LUSER_RELAY', `local:webb_k')
(except replace the webb_k with your username)
Save the file and close it.

l) Open BBEdit and create a new file that contains this text. [replace the 2
places where it says [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your own e-mail