[Mailman-Users] Mailman feature request

2003-01-22 Thread Richard B. Pyne
Barry,

First, thanks for all the nice new features.

I have three minor requests for the next round.

1) When displaying the domain name in the listinfo and other web page 
headers, use the value from the preferred domain setting such that it will 
display in upper/lower case instead of all lower case.

2) Now that mailman keeps a name along with the email address (YEA!), It 
needs to (at least optionally) display the name with the email address in the 
member list.

3) Make requiring a password to unsubscribe optional. I manage a rather large 
list where I have applied the work around of setting up an unsubscribe 
address that runs through a script to add the master password before sending 
the request on to mailman. The problem is that there are too many people out 
there who forward their mail around until they have no idea what email 
address they subscribed from, so I spend half of my day wading through 
messages about failed unsubscribe requests. I can't have these go directly to 
the user because they reveal the master password.

Annother nice, but I am sure very difficult feature, would be a way to 
include the subscribed email address in the outgoin email.

Again, thanks Barry for all you work.

Regards,

Richard
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest topic list - spurious line breaks

2003-01-22 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "TK" == Tokio Kikuchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

TK> These lines are multiple line header originally. Current code
TK> wraps these lines separately. With the patch, lines are joind
TK> first before wrapping.

Nice!
-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest topic list - spurious line breaks

2003-01-22 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "BF" == Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

BF> Many of the topic lines are split at odd places, making
BF> reading them very arduous.  Line breaks at the beginning of
BF> the topic or in the middle are not uncommon, and sometimes the
BF> line break is in the middle of a word!

I know, but I haven't figured this one out yet.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Odd error in smtp-failure log

2003-01-22 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "DG" == David Gibbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

DG> Yes, so that begs the question ... why is mailman not
DG> understanding a response from sendmail?

DG> The sendmail that mailman is sending to is 'queueing only'
DG> with no DNS resolution.

It's hard to tell exactly what's going on, but because you're seeing a
250 result in smtp-failure, I'm guessing that the connection to
sendmail is throwing an exception..  Check your mail server logs to
see if anything "weird" is going on.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest topic list - spurious line breaks

2003-01-22 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Hi,


Many of the topic lines are split at odd places, making reading them
very arduous.  Line breaks at the beginning of the topic or in the
middle are not uncommon, and sometimes the line break is in the middle
of a word!


Try this patch.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=668819&group_id=103&atid=300103




 12. 
  deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entire list? -- NO WAY
  (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ])
 13. Fw: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list - rmlist does not remove
 entire
 	list? -- NO WAY (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ])

These lines are multiple line header originally. Current code wraps
these lines separately. With the patch, lines are joind first before
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[Mailman-Users] Changing list headers

2003-01-22 Thread Tom Maddox
Hi, all,

I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1, and apparently a change has been made in how
the From: header is contructed.  I'd like to change it back.

The specific issue is that mail for each list appears to the client as from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of as being from the actual sender,
which was the behavior previously.

It's a minor issue, but it's irritating a lot of my subscribers, so I'd like
to resolve it.

Thanks!

Tom



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reason: Message has implicit destination

2003-01-22 Thread Dan Mick
Jim Hale wrote:

If I send a message to my lists they go thru just fine but if anyone NOT
on the same Email server as the Mailing List sends a message to a list,
I get a message saying that the messager requires approval because
'Reason:  Message has implicit destination'. :/


means "the list was Bcc'ed".

you can allow that if you want.



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[Mailman-Users] Reason: Message has implicit destination

2003-01-22 Thread Jim Hale
If I send a message to my lists they go thru just fine but if anyone NOT
on the same Email server as the Mailing List sends a message to a list,
I get a message saying that the messager requires approval because
'Reason:  Message has implicit destination'. :/

Why does it do this?

Thanks! :)

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[Mailman-Users] Digest topic list - spurious line breaks

2003-01-22 Thread Ben Finney
Howdy,

I'm subscribed to a number of Mailman lists in digest form.  There is a
marked difference between the topic lists generated by Mailman 2.0.x and
Mailman 2.1.

Many of the topic lines are split at odd places, making reading them
very arduous.  Line breaks at the beginning of the topic or in the
middle are not uncommon, and sometimes the line break is in the middle
of a word!

An example: the Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 4, Issue 68 has the following
topic list:

> Today's Topics:
> 
>1. finding list members (Eric Luhrs)
>2. Re: finding list members (John DeCarlo)
>3. Re: Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman )
>(Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ])
>4. RE: Machine in unresponsive (Jon Carnes)
>5. Re: Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman ) (Satya)
>6. Re: Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman )
>(Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ])
>7. Odd error in smtp-failure log (David Gibbs)
>8. deleting a list (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ])
>9. Re: deleting a list (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ])
>   10. deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entire list?
>(Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ])
>   11. RE: Machine in unresponsive (jsingh)
>   12. 
>deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entire list? -- NO WAY
>(Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ])
>   13. Fw: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list - rmlist does not remove
>   entire
>   list? -- NO WAY (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ])
>   14. Help!!! (Duy Luong)
>   15. dumping a large list to a file (Scott R. Every)

Items 12 and 13 in particular illustrate the problem.

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[Mailman-Users] fetching of new mail does not work

2003-01-22 Thread Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]
I have created a mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). The Mailbox is hosted
by strato (www.strato.de) and I want to pop it via fetchmail...(mailboxname:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , alias1: support-admin , alias2: support-request) .

fetchmail works, but the messages in the mailbox are skipped - WHY?

i have created the list via the newlist-script...
then i have copied the aliases to my /etc/aliases.d/mailman  file...

then i ran newaliases.

the /etc/aliases.d/mailman.db file is younger than the mailman file in the
same directory. because of newaliases this should not be , OR?


can anyone help me when i subscribe to a list, the subscriptionmail is
transfered to me, but my answer is totaly ignored...

what did i do wrong?


thanks for any help




.fetchmailrc

poll post.strato.de protocol POP3
 user "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
 pass "***"


fetchmail.log
-
fetchmail: POP3> USER [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Waiting for password
fetchmail: POP3> PASS
fetchmail: POP3< +OK User logged in, proceed.
fetchmail: POP3> STAT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 4573
fetchmail: POP3> LAST
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5
fetchmail: 5 messages (5 seen) for [EMAIL PROTECTED] at post.strato.de
(4573 octets).
fetchmail: POP3> LIST
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 messages, listing follows
fetchmail: POP3< 1 1091
fetchmail: POP3< 2 825
fetchmail: POP3< 3 829
fetchmail: POP3< 4 914
fetchmail: POP3< 5 914
fetchmail: POP3< .
fetchmail: skipping message [EMAIL PROTECTED]@post.strato.de:1 (1091
octets) not flushed
fetchmail: skipping message [EMAIL PROTECTED]@post.strato.de:2 (825
octets) not flushed
fetchmail: skipping message [EMAIL PROTECTED]@post.strato.de:3 (829
octets) not flushed
fetchmail: skipping message [EMAIL PROTECTED]@post.strato.de:4 (914
octets) not flushed
fetchmail: skipping message [EMAIL PROTECTED]@post.strato.de:5 (914
octets) not flushed
fetchmail: POP3> QUIT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Closing connection
fetchmail: 5.9.13 querying post.strato.de (protocol POP3) at Thu, 23 Jan
2003 01:06:08 +0100 (CET): poll completed
fetchmail: sleeping at Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:06:08 +0100 (CET)


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#
mailman:root
mailman-owner:  mailman

#
# Here add aliases for your mailing lists. Simply use the lines generated by
# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist script.
#

support: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post support"
support-admin:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner support"
support-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd support"
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Re: [Mailman-Users] help a newbie

2003-01-22 Thread Dave Robbins
he,he
silly me
I thought that since redhat includes postfix as an MTA, if a mailman
README.POSTFIX existed they would include it
he,he
silly me
I snagged the original source and whaddayaknow, it includes all the docs
let me read em and I bet my problems go away
thank Jon, support like this is wonderful

Dave   
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 17:50, Jon Carnes wrote:
> What are you using as your MTA.  If it's Postfix then read the
> README.POSTFIX that comes with the install.
> 
> If you are using sendmail then check the aliases in /etc/aliases and
> make sure that you don't have a typo for the alias cabin-request
> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 17:28, Dave Robbins wrote:
> > hi folks,
> > I'm new so be gentle
> > mailman 2.1
> > redhat 8.0
> > ran the program to set the site password
> > edited http.conf so I can use the web interface
> > ran the script to setup a list called cabin
> > added stuff to /etc/aliases like the script said
> > ran newaliases to rebuild aliases db
> > tried to join the list, got a confirmation email
> > when I replied, it bounced. said "unknown user: "cabin-request""
> > seems like something wrong with the aliase stuff, can anyone help?
> > 
> > Thanx
> > Dave 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] dumping a large list to a file

2003-01-22 Thread Matt Brown
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 21:40, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Another alternative is to move on up to version 2.1 and then to move
all
> your configurations/email addresses into an SQL database.

Anyone have any pointers on where to start with this? I'd like to be
able to store list info in an SQL (MySQL) database. I've seen
refernences to this being done, but can't find any specific examples and
don't know how to make it happen.

Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Odd error in smtp-failure log

2003-01-22 Thread David Gibbs
At 04:45 PM 1/22/2003, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

DG> Ordinarily I would agree with you ... but this came from
DG> mailman's smtp mailer, not my sendmail.
Mailman uses your local smtpd to do the sending so it /is/ coming from
your sendmail.


Yes, so that begs the question ... why is mailman not understanding a 
response from sendmail?

The sendmail that mailman is sending to is 'queueing only' with no DNS 
resolution.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help a newbie

2003-01-22 Thread Jon Carnes
What are you using as your MTA.  If it's Postfix then read the
README.POSTFIX that comes with the install.

If you are using sendmail then check the aliases in /etc/aliases and
make sure that you don't have a typo for the alias cabin-request

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 17:28, Dave Robbins wrote:
> hi folks,
> I'm new so be gentle
> mailman 2.1
> redhat 8.0
> ran the program to set the site password
> edited http.conf so I can use the web interface
> ran the script to setup a list called cabin
> added stuff to /etc/aliases like the script said
> ran newaliases to rebuild aliases db
> tried to join the list, got a confirmation email
> when I replied, it bounced. said "unknown user: "cabin-request""
> seems like something wrong with the aliase stuff, can anyone help?
> 
> Thanx
> Dave 
> 
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Odd error in smtp-failure log

2003-01-22 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "DG" == David Gibbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

DG> Ordinarily I would agree with you ... but this came from
DG> mailman's smtp mailer, not my sendmail.

Mailman uses your local smtpd to do the sending so it /is/ coming from
your sendmail.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with sending HTML mail and using externalweblinks for images

2003-01-22 Thread Mark C
Barry A. Warsaw wrote:


This isn't really a Mailman issue, 

At least some actually tried to help me, as any this else I have posted 
that *IS* mailman related, I never got a reply.

other than to configure the list to
pass the MIME content you want to pass through.  I'm sure there's some
MIME goo you can add to your attachments to get (some) mail readers to
display the image inline, but off-hand I don't remember what they are
and I don't have access to the RFCs at the moment.  I'm guessing some
kind of multipart/related with a Content-Disposition: inline thingie.


Thanks for the advise.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] implicit addressing

2003-01-22 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "SB" == Sarah Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

SB> How can I get the mailman mailing list to accept
SB> the other mailing list name as acceptible
SB> for the list in the To: or cc: (ie not requiring explicit
SB> administrative approval)?

In Mailman 2.1: Privacy -> Recipient Filters -> acceptable_aliases

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Re: [Mailman-Users] implicit addressing

2003-01-22 Thread Jon Carnes
Hmmm... That sounds like an unending email circle.

How about this:
 - redirect the alias for the new Mailman list to the current list.
 - create a second unadvertised alias and point that at the Mailman list
 - subscribe this second unadvertised alias to the current list
 - as you delete them from the current list, add them to the Mailman
list

That should get you what you want.

All requests (using the current list name and the new Mailman list name)
go to the current list where it gets sent to any folks still on the old
list and then sent to any folks who have been moved over to the Mailman
list.  Once everyone is moved over, then you simply remove the redirect
from the Mailman list (replacing the unadvertised alias with the real
alias) and all is well.

For this to work you will will still need to take care of the implicit
destination problem.  Configure your Mailman list to either,

allow non-explicit destinations (the name of the mailing list does not
appear in the To: field or the CC: field of the email).

  Under Privacy Options in the Web-admin: 
 Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc)
 field (or be among the acceptable alias names, 
 specified below == No

or fill in the names of the current list and the second unadvertised
list as acceptable aliases for this Mailman list

   Under Privacy Options in the Web-admin:
  Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to
  or cc destination names for this list

Hope this wasn't too confusing! -- Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:48, Sarah Baker wrote:
> So we're trying to smoothly transition an existing 
> mailing list on another system over to mailman.
> 
> So we've put the mailman list as a member of the
> existing mailing list, and I've added that mailing
> list as a member of the mailman list.
> 
> How can I get the mailman mailing list to accept
> the other mailing list name as acceptible
> for the list in the To: or cc: (ie not requiring explicit
> administrative approval)?
> 
> -
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with sending HTML mail and using externalweblinks for images

2003-01-22 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "MC" == Mark C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Yes. Marketing folks do it all the time.  If you want a live
>> example of an email that does this, just open up some spam from
>> your mailbox and peruse the source/content of the email.

MC> But this does sound silly, how would I put that link into the
MC> html?  As I presuem the only way to get Mailman to send the
MC> html format mail, would be to copose it in youre email client,
MC> and if I referance a http address, it will diplay that rather
MC> than an image?

This isn't really a Mailman issue, other than to configure the list to
pass the MIME content you want to pass through.  I'm sure there's some
MIME goo you can add to your attachments to get (some) mail readers to
display the image inline, but off-hand I don't remember what they are
and I don't have access to the RFCs at the moment.  I'm guessing some
kind of multipart/related with a Content-Disposition: inline thingie.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive

2003-01-22 Thread jsingh
I also noticed one more thing, I had temporarily shutdown my MTA on
Friday and forgot to restart it, now my clientmqueue size is 6799360 . I
think that might be my problem.
Thanks for all ur help guys, I will post back once I am done clearing
the directory

-Original Message-
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive

Are you getting warning messages that your Mailman apps are calling
deprecated processes in Python?  I've seen that after upgrading Python. 
The best thing you can do after that is to re-install Mailman.

I've done that at a couple of sites and it works fine after that.

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:51, jsingh wrote:
> Why is qrunner sending mail to the mailman user every minute. That
means
> with the cron job it is creating an email for the mailman user. It is
> because of the deprication issue.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive
> 
> I had problems with inodes once, it turned out that I had left a
process
> in debug mode and it had created several tiny log files cluttering up
my
> partition... and by several I mean >5k. I deleted those files and all
> was well.  I haven't seen any problems with inodes under ordinary use,
> or even under most extraordinary use.
> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 15:09, jsingh wrote:
> > Sir
> > Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine
> > sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and
that's
> > what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to
> do
> > Thanks
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list
> > Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive
> > 
> > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote:
> > > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with
original
> > > options?
> > > 
> > yes.
> > 
> > If you still have the original source files from the install, then
you
> > can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original
> > ./configure statement.
> > 
> > Good Luck
> > 
> > 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive

2003-01-22 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "jsingh" ==   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

jsingh> Why is qrunner sending mail to the mailman user every
jsingh> minute. That means with the cron job it is creating an
jsingh> email for the mailman user. It is because of the
jsingh> deprication issue.

Be sure you're using the latest versions of Mailman, either 2.0.13 or
2.1.0.  Both should be immune to deprecation warnings in any released
version of Python (and even Python 2.3 alpha, but that isn't tested as
thoroughly).

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[Mailman-Users] help a newbie

2003-01-22 Thread Dave Robbins
hi folks,
I'm new so be gentle
mailman 2.1
redhat 8.0
ran the program to set the site password
edited http.conf so I can use the web interface
ran the script to setup a list called cabin
added stuff to /etc/aliases like the script said
ran newaliases to rebuild aliases db
tried to join the list, got a confirmation email
when I replied, it bounced. said "unknown user: "cabin-request""
seems like something wrong with the aliase stuff, can anyone help?

Thanx
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with sending HTML mail and using externalweblinks for images

2003-01-22 Thread Mark C
Jon Carnes wrote:

Yes. Marketing folks do it all the time.  If you want a live example of
an email that does this, just open up some spam from your mailbox and
peruse the source/content of the email.


But this does sound silly, how would I put that link into the html?
As I presuem the only way to get Mailman to send the html format mail, 
would be to copose it in youre email client, and if I referance a http 
address, it will diplay that rather than an image?

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RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive

2003-01-22 Thread jsingh
But I think I will still have to make a newfs for the partition where I
am getting I node issues, any suggestions?

-Original Message-
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive

Are you getting warning messages that your Mailman apps are calling
deprecated processes in Python?  I've seen that after upgrading Python. 
The best thing you can do after that is to re-install Mailman.

I've done that at a couple of sites and it works fine after that.

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:51, jsingh wrote:
> Why is qrunner sending mail to the mailman user every minute. That
means
> with the cron job it is creating an email for the mailman user. It is
> because of the deprication issue.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive
> 
> I had problems with inodes once, it turned out that I had left a
process
> in debug mode and it had created several tiny log files cluttering up
my
> partition... and by several I mean >5k. I deleted those files and all
> was well.  I haven't seen any problems with inodes under ordinary use,
> or even under most extraordinary use.
> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 15:09, jsingh wrote:
> > Sir
> > Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine
> > sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and
that's
> > what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to
> do
> > Thanks
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list
> > Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive
> > 
> > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote:
> > > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with
original
> > > options?
> > > 
> > yes.
> > 
> > If you still have the original source files from the install, then
you
> > can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original
> > ./configure statement.
> > 
> > Good Luck
> > 
> > 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive

2003-01-22 Thread Jon Carnes
Are you getting warning messages that your Mailman apps are calling
deprecated processes in Python?  I've seen that after upgrading Python. 
The best thing you can do after that is to re-install Mailman.

I've done that at a couple of sites and it works fine after that.

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:51, jsingh wrote:
> Why is qrunner sending mail to the mailman user every minute. That means
> with the cron job it is creating an email for the mailman user. It is
> because of the deprication issue.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive
> 
> I had problems with inodes once, it turned out that I had left a process
> in debug mode and it had created several tiny log files cluttering up my
> partition... and by several I mean >5k. I deleted those files and all
> was well.  I haven't seen any problems with inodes under ordinary use,
> or even under most extraordinary use.
> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 15:09, jsingh wrote:
> > Sir
> > Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine
> > sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and that's
> > what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to
> do
> > Thanks
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list
> > Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive
> > 
> > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote:
> > > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original
> > > options?
> > > 
> > yes.
> > 
> > If you still have the original source files from the install, then you
> > can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original
> > ./configure statement.
> > 
> > Good Luck
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with sending HTML mail and using externalweblinks for images

2003-01-22 Thread Jon Carnes
Yes. Marketing folks do it all the time.  If you want a live example of
an email that does this, just open up some spam from your mailbox and
peruse the source/content of the email.

Spammers us this technique all the time as a means of "registering" that
the email arrived at an actual email address and was read.  When a
person opens the email, their Email App does a web look-up and down
loads images from a website.  One of the image pull downs will reference
the email address (or group of email addresses) that the spam was sent
to.

This gives the spammers loads of info about the user:
  - verifies the email address as valid and used
  - indicates the users ip address, OS, and email client

Take care - Jon Carnes

BTW: Linux on the desktop helps break this "invasion" of privacy.  My
Evolution email client is set to "not" download images from html email. 
Though I can click on the email and have it download if I want it to. 

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:22, Mark C wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm wishing to send out a newletter once a month to several people in 
> HTML, and rather than put the image directly in the email (to save 
> bandwidth), it it possable to link it in with the email, so when they 
> read it, it downloads it from the website (this will be a special 
> directory on the mailman server), rather than have it as an attatchment
> 
> I have tried creating a  creating a html mail in mozilla, and then 
> putting in a href, but that just print the link into it.
> 
> Is this at all possable.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] dumping a large list to a file

2003-01-22 Thread Dan Mick
Scott R. Every wrote:


has anyone figured out a way to get just the good email addresses out of 
the mailman db?

bin/list_members -h
	.
	.
	.

--nomail[=why] / -n [why]
Print the members that have delivery disabled.  Optional argument can
be "byadmin", "byuser", "bybounce", or "unknown" which prints just the
users who have delivery disabled for that reason.  It can also be
"enabled" which prints just those member for whom delivery is
enabled.

$ bin/version
Using Mailman version: 2.1+


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RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive

2003-01-22 Thread jsingh
Why is qrunner sending mail to the mailman user every minute. That means
with the cron job it is creating an email for the mailman user. It is
because of the deprication issue.


-Original Message-
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive

I had problems with inodes once, it turned out that I had left a process
in debug mode and it had created several tiny log files cluttering up my
partition... and by several I mean >5k. I deleted those files and all
was well.  I haven't seen any problems with inodes under ordinary use,
or even under most extraordinary use.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 15:09, jsingh wrote:
> Sir
> Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine
> sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and that's
> what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to
do
> Thanks
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Mailman users Mailing list
> Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive
> 
> On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote:
> > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original
> > options?
> > 
> yes.
> 
> If you still have the original source files from the install, then you
> can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original
> ./configure statement.
> 
> Good Luck
> 
> 
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[Mailman-Users] implicit addressing

2003-01-22 Thread Sarah Baker
So we're trying to smoothly transition an existing 
mailing list on another system over to mailman.

So we've put the mailman list as a member of the
existing mailing list, and I've added that mailing
list as a member of the mailman list.

How can I get the mailman mailing list to accept
the other mailing list name as acceptible
for the list in the To: or cc: (ie not requiring explicit
administrative approval)?

-
Sarah Baker
Technical Operations Manager
Carnegie Mellon University - West
650-603-7014

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Odd error in smtp-failure log

2003-01-22 Thread David Gibbs
Ordinarily I would agree with you ... but this came from mailman's smtp
mailer, not my sendmail.

"Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Looks like his mailbox was full (had reached it's specified
> limit/quota).  I wouldn't worry about it.
>
> On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 14:37, David Gibbs wrote:
> > Is this something I should be concerned with?
> >
> > > Jan 17 13:11:05 2003 (20133) delivery to
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> > failed
> > > with code 250: 2.1.5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Recipient ok



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Re: [Mailman-Users] dumping a large list to a file

2003-01-22 Thread Jon Carnes
This question comes up fairly regularly, so I wouldn't be surprised if
its covered in the FAQ.

When your lists get really big and it takes forever to do any
maintenance to the config.db then you should look at using a RAM disk. 
You can either set aside working RAM for use as a disk or purchase a
small battery backed-up RAM disk.  Either way, you then simply mount the
lists config directory on the RAM disk (and copy the old config
directory over to it.  After that your operations that used to take 8
hours take 8 minutes.

The size of your Ram disk should be at least twice the size of your
current config directory (which if you'll look is really quite small).

Several folks on this list have similar setups and it has dramatically
increased the responsiveness of huge lists - allowing them to keep
Mailman running on their older less powerful servers.

Another alternative is to move on up to version 2.1 and then to move all
your configurations/email addresses into an SQL database.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
 
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:07, Scott R. Every wrote:
> I have a list with upwards of 600K emails on it.  Many of the addresses on 
> the list have the nomail bit set, yet when I use 'list_members' there seems 
> to be no way to get only the valid emails(ie no nomail emails listed)
> 
> I have a customer who needs to split this list into X number of pieces in 
> order to send different content to each piece of the list.  The problem is 
> when we work from the file that 'list_members' outputs, mailman spins its 
> wheels trying to deliver mail to the nomail addresses(most of which are not 
> valid addresses) and it slows things way down because the mail server has 
> to deal with all these bounces.
> 
> I have also tried using the dumpdb tool, but it takes upward of 8 hours to 
> dump the whole db which is far too slow.
> 
> Is anyone using segmented lists with mailman?
> has anyone figured out a way to get just the good email addresses out of 
> the mailman db?
> 
> any help would be appreciated.
> 
> thanks
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Entry for aliases file

2003-01-22 Thread Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]
after making a list (newlist) i can read 
"Entry for aliases file:"
...


where is the file to add this info too?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive

2003-01-22 Thread Jon Carnes
I had problems with inodes once, it turned out that I had left a process
in debug mode and it had created several tiny log files cluttering up my
partition... and by several I mean >5k. I deleted those files and all
was well.  I haven't seen any problems with inodes under ordinary use,
or even under most extraordinary use.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 15:09, jsingh wrote:
> Sir
> Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine
> sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and that's
> what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to do
> Thanks
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive
> 
> On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote:
> > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original
> > options?
> > 
> yes.
> 
> If you still have the original source files from the install, then you
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> ./configure statement.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd error in smtp-failure log

2003-01-22 Thread Jon Carnes
Looks like his mailbox was full (had reached it's specified
limit/quota).  I wouldn't worry about it.

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 14:37, David Gibbs wrote:
> Is this something I should be concerned with?
> 
> > Jan 17 13:11:05 2003 (20133) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Mailman-Users] Help with sending HTML mail and using external weblinks for images

2003-01-22 Thread Mark C
Hi,

I'm wishing to send out a newletter once a month to several people in 
HTML, and rather than put the image directly in the email (to save 
bandwidth), it it possable to link it in with the email, so when they 
read it, it downloads it from the website (this will be a special 
directory on the mailman server), rather than have it as an attatchment

I have tried creating a  creating a html mail in mozilla, and then 
putting in a href, but that just print the link into it.

Is this at all possable.

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[Mailman-Users] dumping a large list to a file

2003-01-22 Thread Scott R. Every
I have a list with upwards of 600K emails on it.  Many of the addresses on 
the list have the nomail bit set, yet when I use 'list_members' there seems 
to be no way to get only the valid emails(ie no nomail emails listed)

I have a customer who needs to split this list into X number of pieces in 
order to send different content to each piece of the list.  The problem is 
when we work from the file that 'list_members' outputs, mailman spins its 
wheels trying to deliver mail to the nomail addresses(most of which are not 
valid addresses) and it slows things way down because the mail server has 
to deal with all these bounces.

I have also tried using the dumpdb tool, but it takes upward of 8 hours to 
dump the whole db which is far too slow.

Is anyone using segmented lists with mailman?
has anyone figured out a way to get just the good email addresses out of 
the mailman db?

any help would be appreciated.

thanks

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[Mailman-Users] Help!!!

2003-01-22 Thread Duy Luong
I am upgrading my mailman from 2.0.13 to 2.1 by
installing over my existing one.  I got error message:

Compiling /usr/local/mailman//Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 48, in ?
from Mailman import MailList
  File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line
49, in ?
from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
  File
"/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py",
line 17, in ?
from Archiver import *
  File
"/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py",
line 36, in ?
from Mailman.i18n import _
  File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/i18n.py", line 52,
in ?
set_language()
  File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/i18n.py", line 34,
in set_language
_translation = gettext.translation('mailman',
mm_cfg.MESSAGES_DIR,
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute
'MESSAGES_DIR'
*** Error code 1

Stop in /root/mailman-2.1.

Please tell me how to fix this problem.  Thanks a lot

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Fw: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entirelist? -- NO WAY

2003-01-22 Thread Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]
 ./config_list -o bla Lifeforce\ support


then editing and then importing it worked...


THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE HELPED ME !!! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK !!!

SPECIAL THANKS TO: Ghoti


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[Mailman-Users] deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entire list? -- NO WAY

2003-01-22 Thread Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]
i can not chance the list name. where is it saved - to change it:




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[Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive

2003-01-22 Thread jsingh
Sir
Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine
sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and that's
what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to do
Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote:
> For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original
> options?
> 
yes.

If you still have the original source files from the install, then you
can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original
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[Mailman-Users] deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entire list?

2003-01-22 Thread Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]
console:/mailman/bin # ./rmlist Lifeforce\ support
Not removing archives.  Reinvoke with -a to remove them.
Removing list info
console:/mailman/bin # ./list_lists
1 matching mailing lists found:
Lifeforce support - [no description available]





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Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list

2003-01-22 Thread Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]
i have tried

rmlist Lifeforce\ support

but it didn't work.

I can still see the list in listlists ...




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[Mailman-Users] deleting a list

2003-01-22 Thread Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]
how can i delete a list again (i have taken a list name containg a space),
sorry ??

(blame me) :)


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[Mailman-Users] Odd error in smtp-failure log

2003-01-22 Thread David Gibbs
Is this something I should be concerned with?

> Jan 17 13:11:05 2003 (20133) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
failed
> with code 250: 2.1.5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Recipient ok

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman )

2003-01-22 Thread Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]
thank you...

i've forgot the

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/

   Options ExecCGI
   AllowOverride None
   Allow from from all
   Order allow,deny


part in my httpd.conf... (thanks, ghoti!)


but where can i find a good (german) documentation:
a) how to configure the mail-setting of the list (the from part), because my
servername is wrong and

b) how to simply create a list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?

thanks for any answers in advance (i am a newbie, but mailman looks pretty
good and simple, i only can't find a good documentation how to get started)
[ http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-admin-quickref-0.2.html &&
http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html dont
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman )

2003-01-22 Thread Satya
On Jan 22, 2003 at 18:55, Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] wrote:

>> This URL is forbidden by Apache configuration. You should access
>> http://192.168.92.1/mailman/listinfo
>
>sorry but that url ist forbidden to.. how can i change this?

http://192.168.92.1/mailman/listinfo/ ?

Check the Apache error log?

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[Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive

2003-01-22 Thread Jon Carnes
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote:
> For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original
> options?
> 
yes.

If you still have the original source files from the install, then you
can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman )

2003-01-22 Thread Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]

> This URL is forbidden by Apache configuration. You should access
> http://192.168.92.1/mailman/listinfo

sorry but that url ist forbidden to.. how can i change this?

tia
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Re: [Mailman-Users] finding list members

2003-01-22 Thread John DeCarlo
Eric,

At least in version 2.1, there is a 'find_members' executable in the 
Mailman bin directory.  It is designed exactly to do what you want - 
find what lists a user is on.

Eric Luhrs wrote:
My organization uses Mailman to manage approximately 40 mailing lists, with
up to 1000 members each.  Occasionally I receive email from a user who is
getting duplicate messages which have been sent to multiple lists.  Is
there a unix-based command that will tell me which lists contain a given
email address?  I know I can dump addresses from a list, but this isn't
efficient since we have so many of them.  I'd rather search all of the
lists for the needed patern.  Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.


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[Mailman-Users] finding list members

2003-01-22 Thread Eric Luhrs

My organization uses Mailman to manage approximately 40 mailing lists, with
up to 1000 members each.  Occasionally I receive email from a user who is
getting duplicate messages which have been sent to multiple lists.  Is
there a unix-based command that will tell me which lists contain a given
email address?  I know I can dump addresses from a list, but this isn't
efficient since we have so many of them.  I'd rather search all of the
lists for the needed patern.  Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in Advance,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches

2003-01-22 Thread Richard Barrett
At 16:21 22/01/2003, Todd C. Miller wrote:

After a bit of head scratching I have tracked the problem down to
privoxy (a filtering, ad-blocking proxy).  It has the following
rule in its default config:

# The status bar is for displaying link targets, not pointless blahblah
#
s/([\n =;{}]|window\.)(default)?status\s*=/$1dUmMy=/ig

which is where the dUmMy bits were coming from.

 - todd


I assume this proxy sites between your web browser and the world.

Looks like an accident waiting to happen if that regex and similar is run 
without any further qualification against the content of every response 
received to an HTTP reqeust on your machine.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches

2003-01-22 Thread Todd C. Miller
After a bit of head scratching I have tracked the problem down to
privoxy (a filtering, ad-blocking proxy).  It has the following
rule in its default config:

# The status bar is for displaying link targets, not pointless blahblah
#
s/([\n =;{}]|window\.)(default)?status\s*=/$1dUmMy=/ig

which is where the dUmMy bits were coming from.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches

2003-01-22 Thread Richard Barrett
Todd

It would help to know which version of the patch file you are using and 
where you got it from.

I have grep'ed my copies of the various versions of my htdig patch file and 
cannot find a line that reads as you assert yours does; see the grep 
results below.

There are three lines containing the string "(os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff" 
in the various 2.1 patch files: one each for the scripts nightly_htdig, 
remote_nightly_htdig and remote_nightly_htdig_noshare.

But I cannot see the assignment your copy of nightly_htdig is said to contain.

It would appear to be that the file added by the patch has been "corrupted" 
somehow.

I'd suggest download a new copy of the latest version of the patch.

If I can be of further assistance then let me know.

Richard

mailman@mailman2:/mailman/build/patches> find . -name "htdig*.patch" | 
xargs grep "(os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff"
./current/htdig-2.1-0.3.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./current/htdig-2.1-0.3.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./current/htdig-2.1-0.3.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.2.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.2.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.2.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.3.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.3.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.3.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b4-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b4-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b4-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b5-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b5-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b5-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b6-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b6-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1b6-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1rc1-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1rc1-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1rc1-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1-0.1.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1-0.2.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1-0.2.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
./old/htdig-2.1-0.2.patch:+status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
mailman@mailman2:/mailman/build/patches>


At 15:21 22/01/2003, Todd C. Miller wrote:
I also get the following error from nightly_htdig:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig", line 153, in ?
main()
  File "/var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig", line 138, in main
if status:
NameError: global name 'status' is not defined

Which corresponds to the code:

dUmMy= (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
if status:
print _('rundig failed for list %(name)s, exit code: %(status)s')

It seems like "dUmMy" should be replaced by "status".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE

2003-01-22 Thread Steve Rifkin
But, the python commands you want me to try DO work (and mailman still yields 
the same errors from my previous e-mail):

# python -V
Python 2.2.2
# python
Python 2.2.2 (#1, Jan  9 2003, 16:24:27) 
[GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on sunos5
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import time
>>> time.__file__
'/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so'


So, what should I try next?  (BTW, thanks for your help!  :)

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> The second issue you had (no module name "time") looks like your
> Python installation is broken.  You should be able to do something
> like the following at the command line:
> 
> % python
> Python 2.2.2 (#1, Oct 14 2002, 19:51:36) 
> [GCC 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import time
> >>> time.__file__
> '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so'



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[Mailman-Users] Re: Machine in unresponsive

2003-01-22 Thread Jon Carnes
It could be a corrupted or malformed message in your queue.  FAQ 3.14
might be helpful.  You might want to upgrade to either 2.0.13 or to the
release version of 2.1.0

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 10:13, jsingh wrote:
> Hello everyone
> I am using Mailman version 2.0.2. Python version 2,OpenBSD 3.2, MTA
> Sendmail. I had been testing with around 100 lists without any problem.
> But come Tuesday morning the machine got really really sluggish and was
> creating zombie process, I have no idea why. I went through faq and it
> seems that in my version of mailman qrunner has a problem since it can't
> fork and process mails if it is stuck with one email. I went to the
> crontab and stopped qrunner from running and am doing it manually and am
> getting deprecation warning because I updated the python. So I am going
> to update the mailman but can anyone explain why the machine is so
> sluggish. I only have mailman running on this machine.
> Thanks
> jack
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Re: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches

2003-01-22 Thread Todd C. Miller
I also get the following error from nightly_htdig:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig", line 153, in ?
main()
  File "/var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig", line 138, in main
if status:
NameError: global name 'status' is not defined

Which corresponds to the code:

dUmMy= (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff
if status:
print _('rundig failed for list %(name)s, exit code: %(status)s')

It seems like "dUmMy" should be replaced by "status".

 - todd

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Machine in unresponsive

2003-01-22 Thread jsingh
To add to my troubles I am getting this message from sendmail now
"timeout waiting for input from local during Draining input "
Could anyone please help me out , I am panicking here
Thanks
jack
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Subject: [Mailman-Users] Machine in unresponsive

Hello everyone
I am using Mailman version 2.0.2. Python version 2,OpenBSD 3.2, MTA
Sendmail. I had been testing with around 100 lists without any problem.
But come Tuesday morning the machine got really really sluggish and was
creating zombie process, I have no idea why. I went through faq and it
seems that in my version of mailman qrunner has a problem since it can't
fork and process mails if it is stuck with one email. I went to the
crontab and stopped qrunner from running and am doing it manually and am
getting deprecation warning because I updated the python. So I am going
to update the mailman but can anyone explain why the machine is so
sluggish. I only have mailman running on this machine.
Thanks
jack


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[Mailman-Users] Machine in unresponsive

2003-01-22 Thread jsingh
Hello everyone
I am using Mailman version 2.0.2. Python version 2,OpenBSD 3.2, MTA
Sendmail. I had been testing with around 100 lists without any problem.
But come Tuesday morning the machine got really really sluggish and was
creating zombie process, I have no idea why. I went through faq and it
seems that in my version of mailman qrunner has a problem since it can't
fork and process mails if it is stuck with one email. I went to the
crontab and stopped qrunner from running and am doing it manually and am
getting deprecation warning because I updated the python. So I am going
to update the mailman but can anyone explain why the machine is so
sluggish. I only have mailman running on this machine.
Thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches

2003-01-22 Thread Richard Barrett
Steve

In response to your input I have posted a revised version of patch #444884 
for MM 2.1 on sourceforge as file htdig-2.1-0.3.patch

Thanks for your heads up on the problem and your observation. Sorry for the 
errors. Your suggested change was not quite right; good try but no cigar.:)

I've commented below on the points you raised.

Any further problems or comments with the patch then let me know.

Richard

At 23:41 21/01/2003, Steve Huston wrote:
I've applied the patches, but have had a few problems.  I emailed Richard
Barrett through sourceforge, and don't know if you got it, so I'll start with
what I've figured out since then.

Should line 1485 of htdig-2.1-0.2.patch read "if (not ctype) or cencode:"
instead of reading "if not (ctype and cencode):"?  Because with the way it
was, when I clicked on a found item from a search, it tried to download the
file as type application/octet-stream, but changing it to (not ctype) or
cencode lets it come properly as text/html.  That one took a bit to figure :>


The code is wrong but your solution is not correct. It should read "if not 
(ctype or cencode):" so that application/octet-stream is used when neither 
of the two (1)mime type (2)encoding can be guessed.

There is also another error 3 lines down:

 ctype = "application/x-%s" % ctype

should read:

 ctype = "application/x-%s" % cencode

Sorry about that, I have posted a revised version of the patch 
(htdig-2.1-0.3.patch) with these errors corrected.

Another thing I noticed is that it seems there are quite a few references in
the code to "DEFAULT_URL", but I believe that changed to "DEFAULT_URL_HOST";
setting DEFAULT_URL to the same thing made some of the error messages I'd
received actually work instead of dumping Python (somewhere in make_inserts).


You are correct on this. htdig-2.1-0.3.patch corrects this.


Lastly, I'm a little confused by one way things fit together.  Granted, it
works, but... Why does the htdig script make its results point to itself?  For
example, if I search for 'foo', and find an instance, the URL that the result
points to is "http://host/mailman/htdig/listname/2003-January/06.html";.  I
tried setting HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL to "/pipermail/" instead to get it to output
the links as "http://host/pipermail/listname/2003-January/06.html";, but
this seemed to have no effect.  Perhaps this works differently than I'm
thinking, but it seems more resource-effective to have the link point right to
the file instead of going through another cgi, when we know the location of
the file we're trying to get.


One of the objectives of this patch was to preserve private archive privacy 
and make changing an archive from private to public or vice-versa a 
non-event from the archive search standpoint. Normally, private archive 
access is mediated by the $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py which is what 
htdig.py was originally derived from. htdig.py does the same for document 
references returned by htsearch. I'm sure there are other ways of handling 
this issue and I might change it if and when I've got the time and energy. 
But as its working after a fashion ...

I attempted to explain this in the INSTALL.htdig-mm file installed by the 
patch:


Introduction


...

3. a common base URL for both public and private archive access via
htsearch results. This means that htdig indices are unaffected by
changing an archive from private to public and vice versa. All
access to archives via htdig is controlled by a wrapped CGI script
called htdig.py.

...

The patch adds:
--

$build/INSTALL.htdig-mm

This file.

$prefix/cgi-bin/htdig
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py

these are a CGI script and its wrapper, which is always on the path
of URLs returned from searches of htdig indices. The script provides
secure access to such URLs in the same way that the
$prefix/cgi-bin/private and $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py. htdig.py
ensures private archives are kept private, applying the same
criteria for permitting access as private.py, and delivering
material from public archives without demanding any authentication.





Please, call me an idiot, and explain why :>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman )

2003-01-22 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] wrote:

Hello experts ;) !

After installing SUSE 8.1 (Prof.) with Mailman I get an Forbidden (You don't
have permission to access...) message, when I try to browse to:
http://192.168.92.1/mailman/


This URL is forbidden by Apache configuration. You should access
http://192.168.92.1/mailman/listinfo


How can I fix the problem?


No problem.

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[Mailman-Users] Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman )

2003-01-22 Thread Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]
Hello experts ;) !

After installing SUSE 8.1 (Prof.) with Mailman I get an Forbidden (You don't
have permission to access...) message, when I try to browse to:
http://192.168.92.1/mailman/

I am using a client with the IP 192.168.92.2 and
I do not have any webbroser on the server...

How can I fix the problem?

( Maybe I am blind, but I can't find an description of this in the FAQ or in
the manuals )

Thanks in advance

Chris (germany)


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[Mailman-Users] member database qyestion

2003-01-22 Thread schuetzen - RKBA!
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:34:55 -0600, schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>is it possible to create a one to many relationship between the list of members
>and the names of a dozen databases?

rephrase that
 I meant to ask if that is the correct expression "one to many"  in stating this
relationship  and it should be between the member table and the elist name
table.   perhaps that should actually be a many to many instead??

I take too much morphine to remember all of my R:base SQL  programming from
almost 20 yrs ago.

thanks
chas



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[Mailman-Users] member database qyestion

2003-01-22 Thread schuetzen - RKBA!
assuming that Mailman is using a fully relational database

is it possible to create a one to many relationship between the list of members
and the names of a dozen databases?

short and sweet
I have a dozen elists and many of the members  -  ok, VERY many of the members
belong to many of the elists.
it would make it much easier to control a member or a class of members
(bouncing, banned, change of subscription, yada)  if the change could be made on
a single member field in a membership table, for all of the lists those belong
to.
hope that is more clear than mud.
thanks
chas



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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to remove users from the bounce blacklist?

2003-01-22 Thread Bogardi Janos
Hello Matthew,

Thank you for your response.

> * Bogardi Janos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Is there a way to remove these addresses from the bounce blacklist?
> 
> Check the membership list http:///mailman/admin//members
> and there is a 'nomail' column.  The offending email should have a check in
> this spot.  Uncheck it and it should start receiving email.

The list members affected by the DNS outage are not on the list of the "Member 
management section" of the list admin interface.

Since my post I've tried to fix the situation by unsubscribing all the list 
members, then subscribing them again, without success. Messages are still not 
sent to them.

Here are excerpts from the logs:

/home/mailman/logs/post:
Jan 22 09:02:14 2003 (13236) post to alist from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1502, 60 failures

/home/mailman/logs/smtp:
Jan 22 09:02:14 2003 (13236) smtp for 61 recips, completed in 10.392 seconds

/home/mailman/logs/bounce:
Jan 22 09:02:14 2003 (13236) xxxlist: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - first
-- then the same for other subscribers.

Should I restart Mailman, if so, how do I do that? Or, should I backup lists, 
remove and then reinstall Mailman?

Please help. Thank you.

Janos B.


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