At 2:32 PM +0900 2006-09-01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Excuse me? The GPL *explicitly* approves and authorizes (not to
mention implicitly encourages) modification and redistribution without
conditions other than providing source. That's exactly what license
means.
Right, and they
At 1:39 AM -0500 2006-09-01, Brad Knowles wrote:
If you want to get into a diatribe about licensing, please be aware that
I'm a BSD guy, and I've found myself surrounded by a bunch of GPL types,
so license-wise I've tended to say pretty quiet.
Sorry, I meant ... stay pretty quiet. That
Brad Knowles said the following on 2006/09/01 01:24 AM:
This is the key point that was not coming across to me, at least not
until much later in the exchange. Speaking only for myself, I seriously
misunderstood what you were asking and why, which greatly colored my
responses.
My apologies, I
Brad Knowles said the following on 2006/09/01 08:39 AM:
If you want to get into a diatribe about licensing, please be aware
that I'm a BSD guy, and I've found myself surrounded by a bunch of
GPL types, so license-wise I've tended to say pretty quiet.
Note, the issues raised are not unique to
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anybody at Mailman asked CPanel, Plesk, or Apple for source and
been refused? Or one of their customers, and been refused because
they were under NDA? If we haven't asked, how can we bitch?
I asked cPanel a few years
Brad Knowles writes:
I just don't have the answers to the questions you're asking me.
That's fine.
Moreover, I don't think that it's reasonable for you to respond to me
in this manner. What have I ever done to you?
Since you ask, lots of nice things. I've certainly benefited from
your
We have been using Mailman software for almost 6 years now without much of
a problem. Occasionally, some of our subscribers complain that they do not
receive mails from the mailman list. What I have been doing as a list
moderator in such situations is, deleting the existing id of such a user
and
Todd Zullinger writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anybody at Mailman asked CPanel, Plesk, or Apple for source and
been refused? Or one of their customers, and been refused because
they were under NDA? If we haven't asked, how can we bitch?
[...]
I've since had the displeasure
On Friday 01 September 2006 12:21, Marc Haber wrote:
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 00:22:35 +0200, Oliver König [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
/var/log/exim4/mainlog:
2006-09-01 00:00:52 H=mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]
F=[EMAIL PROTECTED] rejected RCPT [EMAIL PROTECTED]: relay
not permitted
On Friday 01 September 2006 13:51, Stephen Gran wrote:
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 01:40:49PM +0200, Oliver König said:
When a subscriber posts to the list /var/log/exim4/mainlog says:
2006-09-01 13:37:27 H=mailout09.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.84]
F=[EMAIL PROTECTED] rejected RCPT [EMAIL
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you actually do have the right to do so, yes, please.
I do, AFAIK. Mailman is GPL'd and I have legitimate root access on
that system so I have access to the source code. AIUI, the GPL
doesn't permit them to restrict
On 9/1/06, Francis Jayakanth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have been using Mailman software for almost 6 years now without much of
a problem. Occasionally, some of our subscribers complain that they do not
receive mails from the mailman list. What I have been doing as a list
My guess here would
Hello, I am running mailman / postfix on Ubuntu 6.06 (using apt-get
latest standard versions)
I have everything working correctly, except that when people send
mails to the list, it takes on average one hour to send the mails out
to subscribers!!
The volume is only small now, as we are testing
On 9/1/06, Mal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello, I am running mailman / postfix on Ubuntu 6.06 (using apt-get
latest standard versions)
What MTA are you using?
I have everything working correctly, except that when people send
mails to the list, it takes on average one hour to send the mails out
Hello again,
thanks for your help so far with the strange
unable-to-determine-caller's-group-id-thing. In fact I found out that
the problem was that the either qmail or mailman expected the GID of
user popuser to be 110. (it was 30). So I changed that by changing the
GID in /etc/group and
At 6:54 PM +0530 2006-09-01, Francis Jayakanth wrote:
I have re-created the id for this
user at least 5 times but still the user in question doesn't get mailman
mails. what do u think could be the problem. we are using 2.1.3, which
quite out-dated as
Dear Patrick,
Thank you very much for your reply.
What MTA are you using?
Postfix latest version.
Checking the logs that you suggested, I found the cause for this
delay, however, do not know how to get around it...
When I am sending mails to the list from any other smtp server than my
isp's
* Mal [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
When I am sending mails to the list from any other smtp server than my
isp's (from webmail etc), the delivery is instant!
However, when I send a mail from my isp's smtp server (which is the
same smtp that postfix is using to send all mails that are posted to
my
At 9:30 PM +0900 2006-09-01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your post asks for more than the GPL does. I agree that it would be
good if these companies would participate actively in the community.
But I'm more confused than ever why you cited the GPL in support of
that, since you write:
I'm
At 5:04 PM +0200 2006-09-01, Ralf Hildebrandt quoted [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
When I am sending mails to the list from any other smtp server than my
isp's (from webmail etc), the delivery is instant!
However, when I send a mail from my isp's smtp server (which is the
same smtp that postfix is
Oliver König wrote:
Just added it:
domainlist MAILMAN_DOMAINS= server.windfinder.com : news.server.windfinder.com
After exim4 restart the mail delivery failed completely (even for non mailman
mail):
snip
2006-09-01 10:39:13 1GJ4YH-0004nB-ND unknown named domain
list +MAILMAN_domains
snip
I
On 9/1/06, Mal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
thanks for the hint, but other mails are getting in with no delay at all..
Anyone else tried to send mails from same smtp server that your MTA uses?
If your ISP allows it, you might try configuring your postfix to NOT
use the ISP as a smart relay, and
At 12:07 AM +0900 2006-09-02, Mal quoted Ralf Hildebrandt:
You ISPs mailserver could have a huge queue, thus delivery may take
VERY long.
thanks for the hint, but other mails are getting in with no delay at all.
That's the joy of e-mail -- messages you sent an hour ago might still
be in
Todd Zullinger writes:
I do, AFAIK. Mailman is GPL'd and I have legitimate root access on
that system so I have access to the source code. AIUI, the GPL
doesn't permit them to restrict what I do with the source that I
get.
You have to actually receive a distribution to have GPL rights.
OK! Thank you, Ill ask the isp. Thanks for the suggestions at the
start, it really helped me pinpoint the problem, even though it doesnt
seem to be mailman!
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Bretton Vine did speak thusly:
I don't think there is any obligation for someone who changes the source of
a GPL product to give the changes back to the original developers, but there
might be a case of 'good manners' at play in that it is polite to do so. I'm
sure developers welcome input even
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have to actually receive a distribution to have GPL rights.
Merely having access to somebody else's copy is not enough.
The system owner most certainly allows me to access and use the source
that he was provided as part
Mal did speak thusly:
Dear Patrick,
Thank you very much for your reply.
What MTA are you using?
Postfix latest version.
Checking the logs that you suggested, I found the cause for this
delay, however, do not know how to get around it...
When I am sending mails to the list from any other smtp
Brad Knowles wrote:
At 9:30 PM +0900 2006-09-01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And maybe Mailman should consider asking for source code from these
companies, to improve support for not a few users.
That's a good idea, but that's another issue for Barry.
FWIW, I only this week discovered that
Hi,
A few simple questions.
I want to run mail man as part of the main name space, i.e.
[EMAIL PROTECTED], however the machine it runs on will be called
someother.nhm.ac.uk, and
the alias I want for the web front end will be lists.nhm.ac.uk. Am I
correct in doing this by setting the
Bretton Vine wrote:
Just as an example, some list-owners have pending administrative request
queues numbering in the hundreds already. No amount of prodding or pushing
or assisting helps them just to complete a small and easy daily task.
Feedback is my prior list didn't bother me with stuff or
Answering my own question, on the off-chance somebody else now or in
the future cares...
On 8/29/06, David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I think I want to do is leave the new/current mailing list, and
its archives, alone, and put up the old archives in my web space. (A
more
It'd sure be nice if there were a CSS file associated with the web
archives that mailman generates. Perhaps, ideally, a different one
for the individual message files and for the various index files.
Perhaps there could be a default one that was put in by default (it
could be pretty much null),
Todd Zullinger wrote:
The source dir on cpanel seems to
include a build dir with the mailman bin/ utils in it along with some
of the stuff from contrib and cron.
The build directory is created by configure and contains 'configured'
versions of the scripts.
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Todd Zullinger writes:
If you have reason to believe that there are other factors which
would prohibit the system owner from sharing that source code,
feel free to point those out.
There are none to worry about, except that he/she arbitrarily decides
he/she doesn't want to.
I'm just
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I'm just concerned that sharing might not be the intention of the
system owner.
No problem. Sharing this source code is perfectly fine with the
system owner. I know him well enough to know that implicitly.
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Todd
On 9/1/06, David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It'd sure be nice if there were a CSS file associated with the web
archives that mailman generates. Perhaps, ideally, a different one
for the individual message files and for the various index files.
Perhaps there could be a default one
Robert Bannocks wrote:
I want to run mail man as part of the main name space, i.e.
[EMAIL PROTECTED], however the machine it runs on will be called
someother.nhm.ac.uk, and
the alias I want for the web front end will be lists.nhm.ac.uk. Am I
correct in doing this by setting the following
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
It'd sure be nice if there were a CSS file associated with the web
archives that mailman generates.
See http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Summer+of+Code.
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Dragon said the following on 2006/09/01 05:29 PM:
Have you actually read the GPL?
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt
yes plus variations ;-)
There is such an obligation explicitly defined in it within section 3
that states that source code of any derivative work MUST be provided
either as
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
I believe I need to do more to configure the list, so that for example
the list name appears somewhere on the archive pages. I'm not yet
sure if I should do this via command line tools, or if I need to hook
it up so the list admin web pages work on this private copy of
Heinrich, Maximilian wrote:
so far so good. NOW I get at least no deferral but success delivery
message in my qmail log but with this error behind it:
delivery 890: success:
Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_12,_GOT_gid_110./Failed_to_start_/usr
/lib/mailman/mail/mailman./did_0+0+1/
:'-( (gid
I use a template to create new lists.
Si, I had already updated the template to reflect this change in new lists
being created.
obscure_addresses = 0
Thanks for the tip and the script.
Mailman rocks!
Tom
On 8/31/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom Kavanaugh wrote:
Is there a way
Dragon writes:
Bretton Vine did speak thusly:
I don't think there is any obligation for someone who changes the source of
a GPL product to give the changes back to the original developers, [...]
End original message. -
There is such an obligation
Bretton Vine sent the message below at 08:47 AM 9/1/2006:
Dragon said the following on 2006/09/01 05:29 PM:
Have you actually read the GPL?
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt
yes plus variations ;-)
There is such an obligation explicitly defined in it within section 3
that states that
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Brad Knowles wrote:
Looking at
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.4.7.ppc/mailman-117/mailman/NEWS,
it looks like they got up to version 2.1.5, but again I'm still
trying to figure out what parts may have been modified by Apple.
Mark Sapiro wrote:
You may wish to write some kind of script to remove the 'more
information about this list' links from the contents and index pages.
Or you can remove them from the templates before running bin/arch.
templates/en/archtoc.html
templates/en/archtocnombox.html
On 9/1/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
I believe I need to do more to configure the list, so that for example
the list name appears somewhere on the archive pages. I'm not yet
sure if I should do this via command line tools, or if I need to hook
it up so
On 9/1/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
It'd sure be nice if there were a CSS file associated with the web
archives that mailman generates.
See http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Summer+of+Code.
That's interesting. Although if I understand correctly, he's
Using the Mailman web admin interface, can I / how can I:
1. Delete an entire mailing list?
2. Clone the entire setup of a list, creating a new list with a
different name but the same configuration?
3. Rename a list?
I looked for these how-tos in the available
On 9/1/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark Sapiro wrote:
You may wish to write some kind of script to remove the 'more
information about this list' links from the contents and index pages.
Or you can remove them from the templates before running bin/arch.
On 9/1/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark Sapiro wrote:
You may wish to write some kind of script to remove the 'more
information about this list' links from the contents and index pages.
Or you can remove them from the templates before running bin/arch.
First off, I'm not sure if any of those are possible via the web
interface. I don't think that's really what the interface was designed
for. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
Renaming a list is a royal pain in the ass. There's some documentation
on the Mailman website about it, though it
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Ken Winter wrote:
Using the Mailman web admin interface, can I / how can I:
1.Delete an entire mailing list?
By default you can't do this from the web interface. If the site
admin puts OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS = yes into mm_cfg.py,
Thanks but I am still not getting this.
On 8/30/06, Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 2:12 PM -0400 2006-08-30, Elizabeth Schwartz wrote:
I have been charged with creating two lists, each with a limited set of
people who are allowed to **post** to the list.
One list is an
Elizabeth Schwartz wrote:
The people who are in the sub-lists don't have moderation bits, though. If I
make them unmodearted members of the umbrella list, and they are also
members of the sub-lists, will they get everything twice?
Yes, unless you set their delivery on the umbrella list to
On Friday 01 September 2006 17:47, Marc Haber wrote:
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:22:33 +0200, Oliver König [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
domainlist MAILMAN_DOMAINS= server.windfinder.com :
news.server.windfinder.com
After exim4 restart the mail delivery failed completely (even for non
mailman
Oliver König wrote:
I made the changes to match case sensitivity butdelivery still does not work:
server:~# exim4 -d -bt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exim version 4.50 uid=3D0 gid=3D0 pid=3D2790 D=3Dfbb95cfd
Berkeley DB: Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 4.2.52: (December 3, 2003)
Support for: iconv() IPv6
On Saturday 02 September 2006 00:03, Stephen Gran wrote:
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 11:45:19PM +0200, Oliver König said:
You seem to have case issues here, i.e., MAILMAN_DOMAINS vs.
MAILMAN_domains. The documentation shows this all lower case. I don't
know if that is significant or not, but
So I had a list configuration get hosed recently, and unfortunately, my
only backups were from after the configuration got hosed.
Fortunately, I had a Mailman subscription log dating back to before the
list was created, so I decided to throw together a little script to
rebuild the subscriber
Ok - so the attachment got stripped.
Anyway, it's up at:
http://veggiechinese.net/rebuild_subscriber_list.txt
w
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Mailman FAQ:
Todd, Ryan, Dan ~
Thanks for your responses. Glad to know I was barking up the right tree.
I'm communicating with my host administrator to see if I have the privileges
to do what I'm trying to do.
~ Ken
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mailman-
[EMAIL
My host administrator says I have the privileges I need. Indeed, I can get
to /usr/local/mailman/ through a SSH shell. But, see, I'm more-or-less UNIX
/ LINUX ignorant, so I can't seem to get anything to happen from there. Can
you point me to some command line documentation that can get me
On 8/31/06 4:09 PM, Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, I think either unapproved or unauthorized are the most
appropriate terms. After all, the code is released under the GPL,
and anyone who is making modifications to that code and then making
their modified version available to
I want all mails sent to the list to come from the list's email address...
But, in this case, if the user forgets to sign their name at the
bottom of their mail body, effectively the mail to the list is
anonymous...!
Is there a way to add the user name (or email address) to the top of
each mail
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Ken Winter wrote:
My host administrator says I have the privileges I need. Indeed, I can get
to /usr/local/mailman/ through a SSH shell.
Excellent.
But, see, I'm more-or-less UNIX / LINUX ignorant, so I can't seem to
get anything to happen from
Mal wrote:
I want all mails sent to the list to come from the list's email address...
But, in this case, if the user forgets to sign their name at the
bottom of their mail body, effectively the mail to the list is
anonymous...!
That's why the setting that controls this is called
Todd Zullinger wrote:
Renaming is a minor pain. Perhaps it's best to search the archives.
I've done it but not often enough that I could give you the steps from
memory.
I posted a reply to this. It may show up eventually, but in case it
disappeared in my outgoing server whose queue
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