Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Brad Knowles
On 8/12/08, Mark Sapiro wrote: I think he was suggesting that Mailman could somehow put something like a rot13 encoded version of the recipient's address into a personalized list footer to sneak it past AOL's eliding of screen names. In the ARF reports, I don't think you're going to see

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Larry Stone
On 8/13/08 1:07 AM, Brad Knowles at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, either way, we're screwed. AOL is determined to delete any and all data that would actually be useful to us in our jobs, and they are determined to file all these reports automatically. So do what I do -- file them

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi there, Larry Stone: Why even receive them at that point? They're little more than spam themselves so maybe it's time to ban all mail from AOL as AOL will then be a known spammer. :-( Because you can always claim you treat their reports seriously. ;) Actually, when lists are personalized

[Mailman-Users] changing Mailman layout

2008-08-13 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Dear all, Where do I look to change Mailman layout (I know where to change individual lists) but not sure where are files for domian.tld/mailman/listinfo located. I'd like to customize Mailman to look more like our organization's website. Many thanks in advance! -- Zbigniew Szalbot

Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually bouncing messages to a mailman list

2008-08-13 Thread Cristian Rigamonti
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 07:50:34AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: It's not the added headers. It's the X-BeenThere: header in the original message. You have to remove it. Uhm, I've checked both the original message and the bounced message (going out of my mutt), and neither contains the

[Mailman-Users] email address obfuscation

2008-08-13 Thread Masquith, Michael CTR
Hello, Is there in place any method to obfuscate/hide email addresses so spammer spiders/robots can't harvest them? If not, could I edit a page to use an external JavaScript function to do so? Even more basically, can JavaScript be used at all when editing pages? Thanks. Michael Masquith

Re: [Mailman-Users] changing Mailman layout

2008-08-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Where do I look to change Mailman layout (I know where to change individual lists) but not sure where are files for domian.tld/mailman/listinfo located. The listinfo overview page is built on the fly by Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py. The admin(db) pages are built the same

Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailing lists

2008-08-13 Thread Dragon
Danny Shain wrote: Hi everyone, I want to start off by saying I think it's great that this community exists, with people willing to help people. I have a question that is dealt with on the FAQ, but before you roll your eyes I'm still posting here because the I didn't find the FAQ entry

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Actually, when lists are personalized you can always use Message-ID to look up your nice AOL citizen. That't what I do as I use full personalization option. I'm confused. How do you use the Message-ID for this? Even when messages are fully personalized, every

Re: [Mailman-Users] email address obfuscation

2008-08-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
Masquith, Michael CTR wrote: Is there in place any method to obfuscate/hide email addresses so spammer spiders/robots can't harvest them? Are you talking about archives? If so, mild obfuscation is done by default unless you put ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = No in mm_cfg.py. If you're

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: I'm confused. How do you use the Message-ID for this? Even when messages are fully personalized, every recipient's message has the Message-ID of the original, incoming message. It may depend on how your MTA is set up. On my lists, there is an internal

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Larry Stone
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Christopher X. Candreva wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: I'm confused. How do you use the Message-ID for this? Even when messages are fully personalized, every recipient's message has the Message-ID of the original, incoming message. It may depend on

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Larry Stone wrote: That's not a Message ID, that's a queue ID. And yes, I do the same thing. Ah yes, of course you are right. As you said though -- either way, it works. :-) == Chris Candreva -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually bouncing messages to a mailman list

2008-08-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
Cristian Rigamonti wrote: On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 07:50:34AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: It's not the added headers. It's the X-BeenThere: header in the original message. You have to remove it. Uhm, I've checked both the original message and the bounced message (going out of my mutt), and

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread David Gibbs
Brad Knowles wrote: So, either way, we're screwed. AOL is determined to delete any and all data that would actually be useful to us in our jobs, and they are determined to file all these reports automatically. And I'm *SURE* they will _never_ consider moving the Report to TOS button away

Re: [Mailman-Users] email address obfuscation

2008-08-13 Thread Masquith, Michael CTR
Mark, Thanks! Are you talking about archives? No. If you're asking if you can put JavaScript in Mailman's HTML templates, you can. That was it. Thanks. Michael Masquith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:12 AM To:

Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailing lists

2008-08-13 Thread Danny Shain
Dragon, Mark, Thanks for the quick replies. Dragon, I'd been having a brief conversation with Mark away from the listserv and we actually got to just about the same point. I have a webmail account provided by my hosting which is technically the recipient of all mailman emails, which I then have

Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually bouncing messages to a mailman list

2008-08-13 Thread Cristian Rigamonti
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 08:33:14AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: Let me clarify the scenario: - Somebody sends me a message - I think the message should really go to the list, not to me - I bounce the message to the list (if the original sender is not subscribed to the list I expect to

[Mailman-Users] Newsrunner infinite loop

2008-08-13 Thread Max Lanfranconi
Hi, I have a mailman 2.1.11 installation running about 1000 mailing lists. Each of them is bi-directionally gatewayed via NNTP. I have been hitting the following scenario: Email 'a' is made of a text body and email 'b' as a text attachment. Email 'b' is made of a text body and another

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Actually, when lists are personalized you can always use Message-ID to look up your nice AOL citizen. That't what I do as I use full personalization option. I'm confused. How do you use the Message-ID for this? Even when messages

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Ed at JustBrits
But what it really comes down to is that they are arbitrarily throwing away their customers' mail, and their customers apparently like it that way. I would be MORE prone to believe that their customers have absolutely NO CLUE, Stephan and being aolers don't 'care' enough to complain (even IF

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Brad Knowles
On 8/13/08, Larry Stone wrote: Why even receive them at that point? They're little more than spam themselves so maybe it's time to ban all mail from AOL as AOL will then be a known spammer. :-( If you set yourself up to receive them, it's a lot harder for AOL to automatically mark you as

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Brad Knowles
On 8/13/08, Ed at JustBrits wrote: I would be MORE prone to believe that their customers have absolutely NO CLUE, Stephan and being aolers don't 'care' enough to complain (even IF they know how to) -:)-:)!! All their customers know is that they are doing everything they can to make the

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Ed at JustBrits
So, you make sure they never find out. LMAO, Brad ! Tnx, NEEDED that ! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread David Gibbs
Brad Knowles wrote: If you set yourself up to receive them, it's a lot harder for AOL to automatically mark you as a spammer. Actually, in my experience, AOL doesn't give a rats a-- that you are setup for the feedback loop (at least the old program) ... if they thought you might be a

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Brad Knowles
On 8/13/08, David Gibbs wrote: Actually, in my experience, AOL doesn't give a rats a-- that you are setup for the feedback loop (at least the old program) ... if they thought you might be a spammer they will still rate limit your delivery even if they send feedback to you. Yeah, but

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-13 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* David Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Brad Knowles wrote: So, either way, we're screwed. AOL is determined to delete any and all data that would actually be useful to us in our jobs, and they are determined to file all these reports automatically. And I'm *SURE* they will _never_ consider