Re: [Mailman-Users] Test mesages
On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Sure. But why bother? Well, you already get 90% of that for free in MM3 already, except it's only exposed in the test suite. Launchpad has similar functionality and for developers, it's very useful. It's probably not useful to the major of deployments, so it shouldn't be a prominent option, but it could be an option nonetheless. IMO a much more useful approach would be a simple way to clone a list in every way but the membership list and the name. There are two aspects to cloning. MM3 already has a style management facility, which allows for defining a set of defaults that can be applied to a list when it's created, or even afterward. But those are choices of system defined options. What's not currently available is the ability to copy user supplied information from one list to another. That might be an interesting addition. BTW, I think that MM developers is the wrong place for this discussion, as clearly there's a major difference of consciousness between me and Mark on the one hand and LuKreme on the other. That's not a situation where we can take a well-understood requirement to MMD and bang out a spec. If something needs to be done here, we need to get real users' opinions of what needs doing, I think. I agree it's important to gather user requirements, but this particular discussion seems to center on new features, so it definitely crosses over to developers. -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Test mesages
On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:39 PM, LuKreme wrote: Neither. I think the best way to do this would be to have a list- ping email address where all it does is send you back your message as if it had been posted to the entire list, but sent only to you. That is, with footers attached, attachments, scraped, subject changed, etc. Whatever the message would like like had it gone out, that's what you get back, only you're the only recipient. Something like that might be useful, but even that won't always be enough. A message might make it unscathed through your mail toolchain, but get tripped up somewhere by mine. I've found myself sending test messages through the list and verifying their receipt via other channels. -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Test mesages
On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Sure. But why bother? Well, you already get 90% of that for free in MM3 already, except it's only exposed in the test suite. Launchpad has similar functionality and for developers, it's very useful. It's probably not useful to the major of deployments, so it shouldn't be a prominent option, but it could be an option nonetheless. IMO a much more useful approach would be a simple way to clone a list in every way but the membership list and the name. Barry Warsaw replied: There are two aspects to cloning. MM3 already has a style management facility, which allows for defining a set of defaults that can be applied to a list when it's created, or even afterward. But those are choices of system defined options. What's not currently available is the ability to copy user supplied information from one list to another. That might be an interesting addition. BTW, I think that MM developers is the wrong place for this discussion, as clearly there's a major difference of consciousness between me and Mark on the one hand and LuKreme on the other. That's not a situation where we can take a well-understood requirement to MMD and bang out a spec. If something needs to be done here, we need to get real users' opinions of what needs doing, I think. I agree it's important to gather user requirements, but this particular discussion seems to center on new features, so it definitely crosses over to developers. -Barry I have a number of list templates (around 20) that I have created. When I need to create a new list, I pick the proper template, copy it to a new file, modify that file for the new list (real_name, info, description, archive and digest options, etc.) and then run a script that creates the new list from the file I have just modified. -- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: bsfin...@anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Test mesages
On 9/11/2009, Stephen J. Turnbull (step...@xemacs.org) wrote: What I have in mind is a screen that the site manager or list owner can use: Clone list List to clone: ___ Name (mailbox) of new list: __ Initial members of new list: _ [Browse for file to upload] [Create list] This would be great, although I can definitely see a use case for cloning the members too (or making it empty), so something like: Initial members of new list: [x] ___ [Browse for file to upload] [ ] empty [ ] clone -- Best regards, Charles -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
Christopher C. Wright wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9. It is clear that options 3 and 4 don't work for you. If neither option 1 or 2 works either, you can see the note at the bottom which will lead you to a patch which we don't recommend for the reasons discussed in the FAQ, but which you may find useful. Thanks for the suggestion, Mark. Unfortunately the powers that be have ordained that we must keep both HTML/MIME messages intact as well as include the header/footer. I'll see what options they can live with. If I understand correctly the requirement 'ordained', Mailman is already doing exactly that. The only way to keep the HTML part 'intact' while adding the footer is to add the footer as a separate MIME part which is what Mailman does. If this then results in a message which doesn't display as desired in a particular MUA, the recourse is to the MUA because Mailman has no other option. Of course, you could always add the unsubscribe info as msg_header instead of msg_footer. Then Outlook would display it inline because Outlook would take it as the message body. The downside is that the message itself would now be the 'attachment'. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] combining 2 mailman servers into 1 - how to mergealiases aliases.db
John Adamski wrote: My question is how do I get the aliases aliases.db files on the server I'm migrating all lists to, so it reflects all the lists. Is it as simple as running bin/genaliases or do I have to manually update the aliases file then somehow regen the aliases.db? Once you have moved the lists, bin/genaliases should generate aliases for all lists. You may have to first run bin/fix_url after moving the lists if the domain name for the lists is changing. If this is Postfix with automated alias maintenance, once you get the lists properly migrated to the new server, bin/genaliases will do everything. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] MailMan cc_cfg.py
Corey Jones wrote I'm trying to make default 'Require Approval' under Privacy Options. Where do I find a list of config commands so that I can make that default by writing to the mm_cfg.py file. In Defaults.py. # SUBSCRIBE POLICY # 0 - open list (only when ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE is set to 1) ** # 1 - confirmation required for subscribes # 2 - admin approval required for subscribes # 3 - both confirmation and admin approval required # # ** please do not choose option 0 if you are not allowing open # subscribes (next variable) DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 1 I do know to make changes to mm_cfg.py file, I just need to know the proper syntax to make default for new list an approval requirement when subscribing to list. DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 2 -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Garbled digest messages
Rick Morrison wrote:
I help run a private Mailman mailing list for a group that is occasionally
seeing garbled messages in their plain-text digests. The garbled messages
are completely unreadable, with every character of the original message
being lost.
The garbled messages seem to appear only when:
- The original post is a multipart message
- The text/plain part of the message uses a utf-8 character set
- The text/plain part of the message is set to quoted-printable encoding
- and the text/plain part of the message does not appear to be quoted, but
rather plain text - it looks like pure ASCII to me with no equal signs, and
with unquoted CR/LF line endings
I've tried suggesting mime digests, but the users have shunned them, and
strongly prefer the plain-text digests.
I'd include a sample of one of these messages, but the list's owners have
advised that the material is sensitive.
From my mm_cfg.py file:
add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'iso-8859-1', 'ltr')
I had previously tried using utf-8 for the setting, but users complained
that the digests were unreadable.
utf-8 probably doesn't work for you because the Python email library
wants to base64 encode utf-8 message bodies, and the user's MUAs
aren't properly handling that.
What Mailman version?
By every character lost, do you mean replaced with a '?' or something
else.
Did you change from the default us-ascii for English in an attempt to
solve this or for some other reason?
Is it only the affected message that's garbled in the digest? I.e.
other messages in the digest are OK? Are the headers of the affected
message garbled too?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club
Mike Mackenna wrote: I am a member of a cigar club that would like to make use of a mailing list. I would like to use mailman for the list. I hear running your own email server can be a headache because of all of the security concerns. Is there a free service available for small clubs to make use of the mailman mailing list? There are free or very low cost services for your situation. See http://wiki.list.org/x/Hg. If not can I run a mailman mailing list from my home using a broadband connection, dyndns, and a linux box, or should I be looking into hosting options? Dynamic DNS is a problem for a server sending email. Many ISPs will do a reverse lookup on the sending IP and if it doesn't point back to the sending domain, will reject the mail. Fom the above wiki page, http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html offer list hosting starting at $4.00 per month, and they are active on this mailman-users list which is further evidence that they are offering real Mailman service. There may be others that would do as well for you. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club
On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Dynamic DNS is a problem for a server sending email. Many ISPs will do a reverse lookup on the sending IP and if it doesn't point back to the sending domain, will reject the mail. Even though I have a static address, my ISP won't give me a reverse DNS, so it can be a problem with any residential broadband service. Still it's very rare that I get such rejections these days (RedHat was one culprit, but they whitelisted me). -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with our mailing list
Joe Finocchiaro wrote: The problem: How do we prevent people other than the administrator from posting to the list? We created a new list today and everyone keeps posting to it... We don't want that option. We use this list as a one way communication piece. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9 for advice on setting up a one way list. Also, If you have access to the underlying server, You can use Mailman's bin/config_list to save the configuration of a list once it is properly set up and then the same tool can be used to apply those settings to a new list in the future. The first step to prevent members from posting is to set Privacy options... - Sender filters - default_member_moderation to Yes and then under Membership Management... - Membership List - Additional Member Tasks, Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently visible to On. There are other things you want to do that are covered in the FAQ. Also, If this is your own Mailman installation and most or all lists will be one way, you can set DEFAULT_DEFAULT_MEMBER_MODERATION = Yes in mm_cfg.py, and then new lists will be created with default_member_moderation set to Yes. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Posting to a moderated list
Hello all, I have what I hope is a simple question. First, a little background. I have two lists - call them A and F. Both lists are moderated. List A is used as an authorization list, does not/is not used to send any messages, and has about 10 members, one of which has the email address o...@place.com. List F is used as the main communication list for its members and because of the way it is populated, members on the list cannot be individually unmoderated. o...@place.com is also a member of this list. This list also has '@A' (List A) as an entry for the 'Accept_These_NonMembers' configuration. Now, when o...@place.com sends a message to List F, will the message be held for moderation, since o...@place.com is a member of moderated List F? Or, will the message be delivered to all of List F members because o...@place.com is on List A whose members are allow to post messages via accept_these_nonmembers? Thanks, Chris -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club
On 09/11/09 10:45, Barry Warsaw wrote: Even though I have a static address, my ISP won't give me a reverse DNS, so it can be a problem with any residential broadband service. Still it's very rare that I get such rejections these days (RedHat was one culprit, but they whitelisted me). Even if they are rare, you will still have problems like that. You could run your own mail server at your house and use your ISP's mail server as a smart host and get past the rejections because of your dynamic IP. It now sounds like you already have a mail server at your house (and likely versed in some of the problems that can pose) and all you are considering adding is Mailman. If this is the case, I'd suggest giving Mailman a try. Conversely if you are talking about setting up a new mail server just to run Mailman, I'd suggest looking in to a hosted service. (I think setting up a new mail server just for a mailing list is a bit of a steep curve.) Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting to a moderated list
C Nulk wrote: Now, when o...@place.com sends a message to List F, will the message be held for moderation, since o...@place.com is a member of moderated List F? Or, will the message be delivered to all of List F members because o...@place.com is on List A whose members are allow to post messages via accept_these_nonmembers? It will be held because list membership and moderation tests are done before any *_these_nonmembers tests. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
I am fighting a variation of this right now. We have several automated lists from which members can not remove themselves. Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers. Unfortunately that also removed the List ID header. I had complaints that the purpose of the list, such as Official college announcements, was not prominent in the message - even though it appears in the message footer. So I faked it by using a message body header. This led us into the Outlook displaying the body of the message as an attachment morass. I have not figured out how to resolve these conflicting desires just yet. At 07:49 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote: Christopher C. Wright wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9. It is clear that options 3 and 4 don't work for you. If neither option 1 or 2 works either, you can see the note at the bottom which will lead you to a patch which we don't recommend for the reasons discussed in the FAQ, but which you may find useful. Thanks for the suggestion, Mark. Unfortunately the powers that be have ordained that we must keep both HTML/MIME messages intact as well as include the header/footer. I'll see what options they can live with. If I understand correctly the requirement 'ordained', Mailman is already doing exactly that. The only way to keep the HTML part 'intact' while adding the footer is to add the footer as a separate MIME part which is what Mailman does. If this then results in a message which doesn't display as desired in a particular MUA, the recourse is to the MUA because Mailman has no other option. Of course, you could always add the unsubscribe info as msg_header instead of msg_footer. Then Outlook would display it inline because Outlook would take it as the message body. The downside is that the message itself would now be the 'attachment'. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kjohnson%40pcc.edu Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- Kirke Johnson Internet: kjohn...@pcc.edu Email Administrator, TSS , Sylvania Campus http://www.pcc.edu/ Portland Community College, Portland, OR, USA (503) 977-4368 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:44, Kirke Johnson kjohn...@pcc.edu wrote: Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers. I would think the proper solution is to fix them, not remove them. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club
I am a member of a cigar club that would like to make use of a mailing list. I would like to use mailman for the list. I hear running your own email server can be a headache because of all of the security concerns. Is there a free service available for small clubs to make use of the mailman mailing list? If not can I run a mailman mailing list from my home using a broadband connection, dyndns, and a linux box, or should I be looking into hosting options? If hosting is the way to go can someone point out a mailman list provider that may fit my needs? Thanks, Mike -- Hi Mike: I recommend you check out our mailman service at http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. We are not free but we are not expensive either. Small clubs such as yours makes up a good percentage of our mailman clients. Have a great weekend. :^) Regards, Brian Carpenter EMWD.com http://blog.emwd.com/ Curious comments from a web hosting techie -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
The headers would work, but the subscription would automatically be restored the next night. Folks find that frustrating and would rather not be reminded about it. There will always be a percentage who do not want to receive information that is considered critical to the organization providing the email system. At 10:21 AM 9/11/2009, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:44, Kirke Johnson kjohn...@pcc.edu wrote: Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers. I would think the proper solution is to fix them, not remove them. -- Kirke Johnson Internet: kjohn...@pcc.edu Email Administrator, TSS , Sylvania Campus http://www.pcc.edu/ Portland Community College, Portland, OR, USA (503) 977-4368 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
LuKreme writes: On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:44, Kirke Johnson kjohn...@pcc.edu wrote: Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers. I would think the proper solution is to fix them, not remove them. I think Kirke meant that they would work but the PHBs have decreed that they shall not, and I'm tired of people complaining that the unsubscribe header doesn't work when it's policy that it doesn't work. That said, I would think that if the list policy is you can't unsubscribe until I say it's OK, the unsubscribe header would be omitted by Mailman. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list
I've been to several sources of documentation on Mailman and can't find anything definitive on this, except for a bunch of list postings, so perhaps someone could point me to a doc on the current state of this feature, or answer the question. I understand that a poster to a moderated distribution list can get a post distributed by putting Approved: passwd as the first line of the post, yes? I've also seen some discussion of putting this in the subject line in square brackets. Is this supported? What's the current status of this feature? Where can I find out more about it? We're currently running Mailman 2.1.12 a la Gentoo Linux stable. -- Lindsay Haisley | Never expect the people who caused a problem FMP Computer Services | to solve it. - Albert Einstein 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
Kirke Johnson wrote: I am fighting a variation of this right now. We have several automated lists from which members can not remove themselves. Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers. Unfortunately that also removed the List ID header. Yes, that's the way it works, but maybe it shouldn't. What do people think about changing this? -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list
Lindsay Haisley wrote: I understand that a poster to a moderated distribution list can get a post distributed by putting Approved: passwd as the first line of the post, yes? I've also seen some discussion of putting this in the subject line in square brackets. Is this supported? What's the current status of this feature? Where can I find out more about it? We're currently running Mailman 2.1.12 a la Gentoo Linux stable. It's an idea that's been discussed somewhat, but so far has not been implemented. If people want this feature (Approved: password in square brackets in the Subject:), speak up. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 10:46 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: Lindsay Haisley wrote: I understand that a poster to a moderated distribution list can get a post distributed by putting Approved: passwd as the first line of the post, yes? I've also seen some discussion of putting this in the subject line in square brackets. Is this supported? What's the current status of this feature? Where can I find out more about it? We're currently running Mailman 2.1.12 a la Gentoo Linux stable. It's an idea that's been discussed somewhat, but so far has not been implemented. If people want this feature (Approved: password in square brackets in the Subject:), speak up. I would like to have it as an option, yes! -- Lindsay Haisley | In an open world,| PGP public key FMP Computer Services |who needs Windows | available at 512-259-1190 | or Gates| http://pubkeys.fmp.com http://www.fmp.com| | -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] qrunner question
I'm trying to test a list to which fairly long HTML-ized (ugh!) posts will be posted by a customer. For testing, I have only a couple of addresses (mine) on the subscriber list, but when I post, qrunner takes like half an hour to push the posts through so I can see what's going on. Is there any way a) see what posts are in the qrunner queue and b) force qrunner to process the queue immediately? Will the qrunner -r All accomplish this? -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | (The Roadie) 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:41, Mark Sapiro wrote: Yes, that's the way it works, but maybe it shouldn't. What do people think about changing this? Well, I'd be in favor of forcing the rfc2369 headers to always be there, myself. I hate it when lists don't have them. I think the solution to the OP's problem is to have a way to create a 'Roach Motel' list, that is, one where the subscribers cannot unsub. However, that setting should be 1) hard to find and 2) have BLINK tag warnings on it. -- Let's get back to syntax of procmail and forget the syntax of fools. Don -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list
On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: If people want this feature (Approved: password in square brackets in the Subject:), speak up. It might not be a bad idea, especially for people who's clients are not set to plain-text, so yeah, that would be good. As long as it's not taking away from anything else and we're really really sure the []'s get stripped out and that it doesn't screw it any other []'s in the subject. -- The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list
On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:20 PM, LuKreme wrote: On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: If people want this feature (Approved: password in square brackets in the Subject:), speak up. It might not be a bad idea, especially for people who's clients are not set to plain-text, so yeah, that would be good. As long as it's not taking away from anything else and we're really really sure the []'s get stripped out and that it doesn't screw it any other []'s in the subject. If we do implement this, I think it should be a list option. -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner question
Lindsay Haisley wrote I'm trying to test a list to which fairly long HTML-ized (ugh!) posts will be posted by a customer. For testing, I have only a couple of addresses (mine) on the subscriber list, but when I post, qrunner takes like half an hour to push the posts through so I can see what's going on. Is there any way a) see what posts are in the qrunner queue ls -lR qfiles *.pck files are queue entries waiting to be processed. *.bak files are queue entries currently being processed (at most one per queue per qrunner slice). and b) force qrunner to process the queue immediately? Will the qrunner -r All accomplish this? That's a really bad idea. First, if you are going to do this, you would probably want qrunner -o -r All, but even then, two bad things will happen. The new runner will 'recover' and reprocess any .bak files resulting in duplications, and race conditions between the new runner and the existing runner will cause variopus unpredictable problems, e.g. those discussed in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/_4A9. Unless you have set QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME to something like 15 to 30 minutes in mm_cfg.py, the existing runners will process their queues sleeping for only 1 second when the queue is empty. You can determine to some degree where the delay(s) are from Mailman's SMTP log. Find the entry for your post. Similar to: Sep 11 11:12:02 2009 (12318) message-id smtp to listname for n recips, completed in t.ttt seconds The t.ttt seconds is the time the message actually spent in process in OutgoingRunner. The timestamp minus this time is the time that OutgoingRunner began processing this entry. That time minus the time you sent the post is the sum of the time to queue the post for IncomingRunner (very small), the time it spent in qfiles/in, processing time in IncomingRunner (usually small, but if you have some SpamAssassin or other custom handler in the pipeline, could be long) and the time spent in qfiles/out. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting to a moderated list
Thank you for the information Mark. Now, I know I shouldn't be asking but... Is there a way to add on a list-specific basis an entry similar to mm_cfg.py entries that I can then use in a locally modified Handlers/Moderate.py to add an accept_these_nonmembers type check before the membership check? Basically, I want to add a accept_these_special_posters config entry (list specific so I can use mlist). Then modify Moderate.py to do a matches_p(sender, mlist.accept_these_special_posters) before the if mlist.isMember(sender): statement. Thanks, Chris Mark Sapiro wrote: C Nulk wrote: Now, when o...@place.com sends a message to List F, will the message be held for moderation, since o...@place.com is a member of moderated List F? Or, will the message be delivered to all of List F members because o...@place.com is on List A whose members are allow to post messages via accept_these_nonmembers? It will be held because list membership and moderation tests are done before any *_these_nonmembers tests. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 04:19:44PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: If people want this feature (Approved: password in square brackets in the Subject:), speak up. If we do implement this, I think it should be a list option. Very much so. Were it not to be, it's the sort of thing I would hack at, in the code, to revoke (so appropriately commented, please!) If an MUA is no good/not fit for the purpose, then it ought not to always be used. That's my view. (when $WORK mail was Exchange/Outlook based, I'd use Outlook only really for the calendaring things. All of my mail needs were handled in a competent MUA (well, two, actually). Admitedly, I had the ability to install software as I pleased.) -- Suburbia: where they cut down the trees then name streets after them -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Recovering users from hard drive
My drive failed after creating a new list, I would like to recover the list members from the server. I have the original file that I imported from however I did a lot of cleanup after the import and before the drive failed. My hope is that after putting the drive into a second computer, and if I can see the data, is there a way to extract the mailing list members? Thanks in advance, Johnathen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:16 PM, LuKreme wrote: On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:41, Mark Sapiro wrote: Yes, that's the way it works, but maybe it shouldn't. What do people think about changing this? Well, I'd be in favor of forcing the rfc2369 headers to always be there, myself. I hate it when lists don't have them. Historically, the option to remove them was added because people complained that their MUA (that shall remain nameless) could not hide them. -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Recovering users from hard drive
John Lieber wrote: My hope is that after putting the drive into a second computer, and if I can see the data, is there a way to extract the mailing list members? The list configuration and membership, etc is all in the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck file and lists/LISTNAME/config.pck.last is a backup. If you have a working Mailman installation, you can create a LISTNAME list and then replace its lists/LISTNAME/config.pck with the recovered one. or you can run Mailman's bin/dumpdb to extract the data without actually installing the file as a list. Otherwise you can extract the addresses with 'strings', but not in a very nice form. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces..
hello .. what are the files in : /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck ? and what's the difference between them and those in: /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck ?? and what happens if I deleted these files from both directories? and is it ok to do that ? Thanks .. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Recovering users from hard drive
Thank you very much! -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:11 PM To: John Lieber; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Recovering users from hard drive John Lieber wrote: My hope is that after putting the drive into a second computer, and if I can see the data, is there a way to extract the mailing list members? The list configuration and membership, etc is all in the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck file and lists/LISTNAME/config.pck.last is a backup. If you have a working Mailman installation, you can create a LISTNAME list and then replace its lists/LISTNAME/config.pck with the recovered one. or you can run Mailman's bin/dumpdb to extract the data without actually installing the file as a list. Otherwise you can extract the addresses with 'strings', but not in a very nice form. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces..
Khalil Abbas wrote: what are the files in : /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck ? and what's the difference between them and those in: /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck ?? The files /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck are individual messages delivered to list-boun...@... and waiting to be processed by BounceRunner. If these files are there for more than a few seconds, BounceRunner is not running. The files /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck are a secondary queue. When bounces from the /var/spool/mailman/bounces/ queue are processed by Mailman, they are queued in a secondary queue which is processed only once every 15 minutes. /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck is that queue. is the PID of the process that owns it. If is not the PID of a currently running BounceRunner or OutgoingRunner process, that file is dead and can be removed as the bounces therein are already lost. and what happens if I deleted these files from both directories? and is it ok to do that ? Do not delete any /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck files. Instead, look in Mailman's qrunner and error logs and find out why BounceRunner is dying. Fix the problem and restart Mailman. You can delete any /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck files for non-current PIDs. Actually, you can delete all the files and the only thing that will happen is the bounces therein will not be recorded, but this won't solve the ongoing problem. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Kirke Johnson wrote: I am fighting a variation of this right now. We have several automated lists from which members can not remove themselves. Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers. Unfortunately that also removed the List ID header. I had complaints that the purpose of the list, such as Official college announcements, was not prominent in the message - even though it appears in the message footer. So I faked it by using a message body header. Maybe we just need a new option to control the List-Subscribe and List- Unsubscribe headers? I think that if include_rfc2369_headers is true, you should always get the List-ID and List-Help headers. -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting to a moderated list
C Nulk wrote: Now, I know I shouldn't be asking but... Is there a way to add on a list-specific basis an entry similar to mm_cfg.py entries that I can then use in a locally modified Handlers/Moderate.py to add an accept_these_nonmembers type check before the membership check? Basically, I want to add a accept_these_special_posters config entry (list specific so I can use mlist). Then modify Moderate.py to do a matches_p(sender, mlist.accept_these_special_posters) before the if mlist.isMember(sender): statement. You can add any list attributes you want. The quick and dirty way to do it is to modify Moderate.py to check if mlist.accept_these_special_posters exists and if so, do what you want. Then you can maintain the accept_these_special_posters attribute for a list with bin/withlist or bin/config_list. The right way to do it is to also modify MailList.py to create the accept_these_special_posters attribute for new lists with either an empty value or a Defaults.py setting (empty would be appropriate for this), modify Version.py to increment DATA_FILE_VERSION, modify versions.py to add the default accept_these_special_posters attribute to old lists that don't have it (based on DATA_FILE_VERSION), and modify Gui/Privacy.py to add the attribute and help for it so you can maintain it from the GUI. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
Barry Warsaw writes: On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Kirke Johnson wrote: The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers. Maybe we just need a new option to control the List-Subscribe and List- Unsubscribe headers? I think that if include_rfc2369_headers is true, you should always get the List-ID and List-Help headers. There should be an option(s?) for the membership list to be entirely list-admin controlled, (the Hotel California option[1][2]), in which case the irrelevant headers should be suppressed. Footnotes: [1] Apologies to LuKreme for changing the nickname, but my subscribers aren't ugly insects. [2] From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4qEzSz1JSc. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces..
thanks alot for the explanation, but actually I got confused alittle, is it about the automatic bounce processing? i.e. the messages that got bounced back or is it about the actual delivery of messages?? means if something is wrong then the messages are not being delivered correctly to the list?? Regards, Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:05:09 -0700 From: m...@msapiro.net To: khillo...@hotmail.com; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces.. Khalil Abbas wrote: what are the files in : /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck ? and what's the difference between them and those in: /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck ?? The files /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck are individual messages delivered to list-boun...@... and waiting to be processed by BounceRunner. If these files are there for more than a few seconds, BounceRunner is not running. The files /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck are a secondary queue. When bounces from the /var/spool/mailman/bounces/ queue are processed by Mailman, they are queued in a secondary queue which is processed only once every 15 minutes. /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck is that queue. is the PID of the process that owns it. If is not the PID of a currently running BounceRunner or OutgoingRunner process, that file is dead and can be removed as the bounces therein are already lost. and what happens if I deleted these files from both directories? and is it ok to do that ? Do not delete any /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck files. Instead, look in Mailman's qrunner and error logs and find out why BounceRunner is dying. Fix the problem and restart Mailman. You can delete any /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck files for non-current PIDs. Actually, you can delete all the files and the only thing that will happen is the bounces therein will not be recorded, but this won't solve the ongoing problem. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces..
Khalil Abbas wrote: thanks alot for the explanation, but actually I got confused alittle, is it about the automatic bounce processing? i.e. the messages that got bounced back or is it about the actual delivery of messages?? means if something is wrong then the messages are not being delivered correctly to the list?? These are all messages sent to the list-boun...@... addresses. Ideally, they are all Delivery Status Notifications (bounces of list mail), but it's likely some are just spam sent to that address, and some are possibly replies to list messages sent from brain-dead MUAs that reply to Sender: instead of From: or Reply-To:. They are all messages that will be handled by automated bounce processing and either recognized and scored or possibly forwarded to the list owner as unrecognized bounces. If you are concerned about what they actually are, you can always look at them with Mailman's bin/dumpdb. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
