Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML messages not passed, content filtering settings ignored
In looking at the output I may see the problem. I have been running Mailman and upgraded versions and moved Mailman from one server to another for years. Look at this output from my list wherein I see values like 'False' where the legals values are supposed to be either yes or no: # When you scrub attachments, they are stored in archive area and links # are made in the message so that the member can access via web browser. # If you want the attachments totally disappear, you can use content # filter options. # # legal values are: #0 = No #1 = Yes scrub_nondigest = False could this be the problem where an upgrade was not done properly where I have an old, out of date 'config' file whose values are unrecognized or ? On 11/25/2009 10:26 Mark Sapiro m...@[1]msapiro.net wrote .. If filter_content is no, Mailman should not be doing any content filtering or HTML to plain text conversion. I can make a guess. Perhaps the message is multipart/alternative with text/plain and text/html alternative parts and you are viewing the received message with an MUA (mail client) set to show you the plain text, or perhaps you are seeing a 'scrubbed' message in a digest or the archive or even the message from the list if Non-digest options - scrub_nondigest is set to Yes. If you really want to look 'under the hood' look at the output from bin/config_list -o - LISTNAME or bin/dumpdb lists/LISTNAME/config.pck | grep filter_content -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Checking for Heartbeat
First, thanks to Mark Sapiro for the great reply on Multiple List Pending Requests. I host with jumpline.com, which generally does a good job with me. The Mailman installation is pretty good, but for some reason I can't track down, Mailman keeps going belly-up. Jumpline customer support doesn't know why. I have to stop it to turn off whatever qrunners are running and restart it. I don't mind doing that now and then. It doesn't happen that often. Here's the problem. My users don't think to tell me when they haven't had any mail from the list for awhile. I just go along thinking all is well until someone tells me, Hey, Rex. We haven't had any email from the list for a week. I restart and old email mostly catches up. I have an administrative page for all of my web sites and the various things they do. I am on that page several times each day. I would like to generate some message when Mailman isn't working, something I would see there. A lot of the command line scripts seem to work even if Mailman is not running. What can I use to check to see if it is alive? Rex -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML messages not passed, content filtering settings ignored
Christian Stalberg wrote: In looking at the output I may see the problem. I have been running Mailman and upgraded versions and moved Mailman from one server to another for years. Look at this output from my list wherein I see values like 'False' where the legals values are supposed to be either yes or no: # When you scrub attachments, they are stored in archive area and links # are made in the message so that the member can access via web browser. # If you want the attachments totally disappear, you can use content # filter options. # # legal values are: #0 = No #1 = Yes scrub_nondigest = False could this be the problem where an upgrade was not done properly where I have an old, out of date 'config' file whose values are unrecognized or ? This is not a problem. config_list says legal values are 0 and 1 for False/True settings to accommodate older Pythons that didn't define False and True, but False and True for these is actually fine. Besides, if your issue were due to scrub_nondigest being True, you could tell as the HTML wouldn't just disappear, it would be replaced by a stanza saying an HTML attachment has been scrubbed with a link to wher the HTML was stored. Do the messages from the list contain a X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.x header? If not, Mailman's content filtering hasn't changed them. What is the exact MIME structure of an HTML message to the list and of the message received from the list? -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Checking for Heartbeat
Rex Goode wrote: I host with jumpline.com, which generally does a good job with me. The Mailman installation is pretty good, but for some reason I can't track down, Mailman keeps going belly-up. Jumpline customer support doesn't know why. I have to stop it to turn off whatever qrunners are running and restart it. I don't mind doing that now and then. It doesn't happen that often. I'm guessing you have a VPS or similar hosting arrangement where you actually have access to the Maulman installation. When Mailman 'dies' are one or more qrunners missing? If so, look in Mailman's error and qrunner logs to try to find out why. If not, maybe there is a lock issue of some sort. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9. Here's the problem. My users don't think to tell me when they haven't had any mail from the list for awhile. I just go along thinking all is well until someone tells me, Hey, Rex. We haven't had any email from the list for a week. I restart and old email mostly catches up. I have an administrative page for all of my web sites and the various things they do. I am on that page several times each day. I would like to generate some message when Mailman isn't working, something I would see there. A lot of the command line scripts seem to work even if Mailman is not running. What can I use to check to see if it is alive? I suggest you look at the mmdsr script. I don't know what you have available in your installation, but if you have a Mailman contrib/ directory, you'll find it there. If not, go to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/files/head%3A/contrib/ where you can download mmdsr and README.mmdsr. mmdsr is designed to be run by cron at 23:59 daily and mail you a report summarizing Mailman's logs, queues, etc. This is very helpful in spotting problems. If mailmanctl and some qrunners are running when mailman is not working, and you want to check right now, you can look at find /path/to/qfiles -print -name \*.pck to see if any queues are backed up, and you can do ps -u mailman --no-headers | wc -l which should return '9' in a standard installation (mailmanctl and 8 qrunners). You could incorporate one of these or something similar in your administrative page. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] rejecting messages *to* non-members
On 26-Nov-2009, at 16:26, Shop at Just Brits wrote: Another prob I ran into early on was folks just blindly using the Reply-All function therefore if I had made the orginal post I would get TWO replies. I nipped THAT in the bud VERY quickly. I'd much rather get two replies than what some lists do which is not send me a copy if they see I 'already got one' in the Cc or To headers. I REALLY hate that. This list, for example. -- Over 3,500 gay marriages and, what, no hellfire? I was promise hellfire. And riots. What gives? -- Mark Morford -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] rejecting messages *to* non-members
LuKreme wrote: I'd much rather get two replies than what some lists do which is not send me a copy if they see I 'already got one' in the Cc or To headers. I REALLY hate that. This list, for example. It's a user option (at least on Mailman lists) - Avoid duplicate copies of messages? When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to receive copies. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] rejecting messages *to* non-members
Ed wrote: Another prob I ran into early on was folks just blindly using the Reply-All function therefore if I had made the orginal post I would get TWO replies. In some cases at least, this is a good thing. E.g., - The poster is not a list member and would not otherwise see the reply. - The poster is a digest member and wouldn't otherwise see the reply for some time. The typical list member is not able to know whether a poster is a regular or digest member or even a list member at all. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Checking for Heartbeat
On 27-Nov-2009, at 08:56, Mark Sapiro wrote: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/files/head%3A/contrib/ where you can download mmdsr and README.mmdsr Hmm.. the readme and internal docs where not that useful. # Arguments for your mktemp command to specify directory and/or create file. # For example, HPUX mktemp requires -c; FreeBSD doesn't accept -p dir. ### TMPDIR=-p /tmp OK, since freeBSD doesn't like the -p option, what should this be? setting it to just /tmp generates an error. Setting it to -d /tmp/mmdsr also generates the same basic errors. Yes, the script is running as root. # mmdsr mktemp: mkstemp failed on /tmp: File exists mktemp: mkstemp failed on /tmp: File exists /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory /usr/local/bin/mmdsr: cannot create : No such file or directory The script then sits there for far long than a minute seemingly doing nothing. (I know it has a sleep 60 in it because it's intended to run at 23:59, but that does seem an odd way to go to me). Still, wanting to see the output it generated I ran it, but it seems to just stall. -- Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers ~Carlin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] rejecting messages *to* non-members
On 27-Nov-2009, at 11:37, Mark Sapiro wrote: LuKreme wrote: I'd much rather get two replies than what some lists do which is not send me a copy if they see I 'already got one' in the Cc or To headers. I REALLY hate that. This list, for example. It's a user option (at least on Mailman lists) - Avoid duplicate copies of messages? Yep, but I've set it at least twice for this list and I still find it getting set back. But that said, some Mailman lists have a setting that lets you set the Reply-To: on your posts so that when people reply, it goes ONLY to the list, as $DEITY intended. -- Love seekest only self to please, To bind another to its delight Joys in another's loss of ease And builds a hell in Heaven's despite! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Checking for Heartbeat
LuKreme wrote: On 27-Nov-2009, at 08:56, Mark Sapiro wrote: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/files/head%3A/contrib/ where you can download mmdsr and README.mmdsr Hmm.. the readme and internal docs where not that useful. # Arguments for your mktemp command to specify directory and/or create file. # For example, HPUX mktemp requires -c; FreeBSD doesn't accept -p dir. ### TMPDIR=-p /tmp OK, since freeBSD doesn't like the -p option, what should this be? setting it to just /tmp generates an error. Setting it to -d /tmp/mmdsr also generates the same basic errors. Yes, the script is running as root. The equivalent option in FreeBSD is -t /tmp, at least according to http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=1topic=mktemp. (I know it has a sleep 60 in it because it's intended to run at 23:59, but that does seem an odd way to go to me). It runs at 23:59 and sleeps for a minute after getting the current date to use in filtering the logs. It sleeps to get the last minute in the logs, and it gets the date before midnite so it doesn't have to figure out the correct date for 'yesterday'. Granted, it could just run at midnight and use the -d yesterday option for the date command, but a) I didn't write that part; b) I don't know if -d yesterday or equivalent is universally available in implementations of date, and c) the impact of a change at this point on existing users makes such a change problematic. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] rejecting messages *to* non-members
LuKreme wrote: Yep, but I've set it at least twice for this list and I still find it getting set back. I don't know why that would happen. But that said, some Mailman lists have a setting that lets you set the Reply-To: on your posts so that when people reply, it goes ONLY to the list, as $DEITY intended. Our recommendations are to not strip the poster's Reply-To: if any and to not add any other Reply-To: addresses. This list is set that way so you can add your own Reply-To: and it will be passed through. List owners can set these as they see fit, but I don't see why anyone would choose to strip the poster's Reply-To: if they weren't adding one of their own. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Checking for Heartbeat
LuKreme wrote: Hmm.. the readme and internal docs where not that useful. # Arguments for your mktemp command to specify directory and/or create file. # For example, HPUX mktemp requires -c; FreeBSD doesn't accept -p dir. ### TMPDIR=-p /tmp I have changed the comment to # Arguments for your mktemp command to specify directory and/or create file. # For example, HPUX mktemp requires -c -d dir; FreeBSD requires -t dir. Hopefully, that will be more clear. I would prefer not to have this setting at all, but there needs to be something because without the '-c' option HPUX won't create the file, and none of the others accept '-c'. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
