Re: [Mailman-Users] How to install Mailman 2.1.13 on Debian Lenny

2010-03-26 Thread Stefan Foerster 
* Mark Sapiro :
> >Ulf Dunkel wrote:
> >> They asked me to install Mailman v2.1.13 "manually" because this doesn't 
> >> seem to be possible with apt-get right now.
> >> 
> >> Because I have not installed a single app myself without the help of the 
> >> package manager aptitude, I am kind of stuck.
> >> 
> >> Can you give me a little howto?
[...]
> You might also look at other Debian patches at
> . In particular,
> those Defaults.py.in patches in "01_defaults.debian.patch" are things
> you probably want in mm_cfg.py to keep doing things the Debian way.

I backported 2.1.13 to stable, pending upload at
http://debian.incertum.net/ within the next ten minutes.


Cheers
Stefan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to install Mailman 2.1.13 on Debian Lenny

2010-03-26 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Terri Oda wrote:
>
>Ulf Dunkel wrote:
>> They asked me to install Mailman v2.1.13 "manually" because this doesn't 
>> seem to be possible with apt-get right now.
>> 
>> Because I have not installed a single app myself without the help of the 
>> package manager aptitude, I am kind of stuck.
>> 
>> Can you give me a little howto?
>
>There's one on list.org: http://list.org/mailman-install/index.html
>
>It may not seem little from that table of contents, but the sections 
>mostly quite short and simple.  I think it's bundled with the source, 
>and you can get it in a few other formats if you prefer:
>
>http://list.org/site.html


Terri is correct about Mailman not being particularly difficult to
install, but there are some caveats for upgrading a Debian
installation from source. When you run configure, you will probably
want to specify

  --prefix=/usr/lib/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/lib/mailman
--with-username=list --with-groupname=list

You probably also need to specify --with-cgi-gid= and -with-mail-gid=.
These are respectively the group with which the web server invokes
CGIs (maybe www-data?) and the group with which the mail server will
invoke the wrapper, although Debian normally uses
postfix_to_mailman.py, but I think the group is important. Debian
patches the wrappers to accept any group with numerical gid < 100, but
without that patch, you need to get it right.

You might also look at other Debian patches at
. In particular,
those Defaults.py.in patches in "01_defaults.debian.patch" are things
you probably want in mm_cfg.py to keep doing things the Debian way.

The alternative is to do a default source install per the manual and
then move your lists per the FAQ at .

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to install Mailman 2.1.13 on Debian Lenny

2010-03-26 Thread Terri Oda 



Ulf Dunkel wrote:
They asked me to install Mailman v2.1.13 "manually" because this doesn't 
seem to be possible with apt-get right now.


Because I have not installed a single app myself without the help of the 
package manager aptitude, I am kind of stuck.


Can you give me a little howto?


There's one on list.org: http://list.org/mailman-install/index.html

It may not seem little from that table of contents, but the sections 
mostly quite short and simple.  I think it's bundled with the source, 
and you can get it in a few other formats if you prefer:


http://list.org/site.html

 Terri

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to install Mailman 2.1.13 on Debian Lenny

2010-03-26 Thread Adam McGreggor 
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 08:35:22PM +0100, Ulf Dunkel wrote:
> now, but "aptitude install mailman" or "apt-get install mailman" won't  
> give me more than v2.1.11.

You might find using the Squeeze or Sid versions
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mailman
work. However, the usual caution applies of mixing versions.

I think a couple of people have used those, per this list's archive --
it might be worth searching for "backports" in the archive, or some
keywords around "debian" "2.1.13" or so-on.

> I hoped to get at least Mailman v2.1.12 with the Debian update which  
> brings better German localized files - but my ISP now informed me that  
> this is kind of a restriction in the Debian philosophy which does not  
> always support the current packages of applications.

I've usually found it to be a case of how busy the packager/maintainer is.

> They asked me to install Mailman v2.1.13 "manually" because this doesn't  
> seem to be possible with apt-get right now.

That's an option, too. Although it's something to remember to
maintain.

> Because I have not installed a single app myself without the help of the  
> package manager aptitude, I am kind of stuck.

"apt-cache search mailman"

> Can you give me a little howto?

Debian has good documentation. See also
http://www.debian-administration.org 
for example.

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[Mailman-Users] How to install Mailman 2.1.13 on Debian Lenny

2010-03-26 Thread Ulf Dunkel 

Hi Mark Sapiro, hi folks.

I have asked my ISP to update my Debian Etch server to Debian Lenny to 
be able and use a higher version of Mailman (and other stuff). It's done 
now, but "aptitude install mailman" or "apt-get install mailman" won't 
give me more than v2.1.11.


After the Debian update, all not-English Mailman web pages on my server 
looked rather ugly because they still (or again) use the ISO-8859-x 
encodings instead of UTF-8.


I hoped to get at least Mailman v2.1.12 with the Debian update which 
brings better German localized files - but my ISP now informed me that 
this is kind of a restriction in the Debian philosophy which does not 
always support the current packages of applications.


They asked me to install Mailman v2.1.13 "manually" because this doesn't 
seem to be possible with apt-get right now.


Because I have not installed a single app myself without the help of the 
package manager aptitude, I am kind of stuck.


Can you give me a little howto?

PS: Yes, I would like to update to v2.1.13 first, then fix the UTF-8 
issue afterwards.


Best regards,
Ulf Dunkel
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