[Mailman-Users] unable to post messages to my list

2010-07-29 Thread sandeep kumar
i have created a list with the following command in the command line

/etc/newlist mtech-cs-2010 anil_moog...@dcis.uohyd.ernet.in password

and then i have added the aliases to the /etc/aliases file...

then i got a mail in my mail box saying

The mailing list `mtech-cs-2010' has just been created for you.  The
following is some basic information about your mailing list.

Your mailing list password is:

*

You need this password to configure your mailing list.  You also need
it to handle administrative requests, such as approving mail if you
choose to run a moderated list.

You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:

http://dcis.uohyd.ernet.in/mailman/admin/mtech-cs-2010

The web page for users of your mailing list is: 

http://dcis.uohyd.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/mtech-cs-2010

You can even customize these web pages from the list configuration
page.  However, you do need to know HTML to be able to do this.

There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:

mtech-cs-2010-requ...@dcis.uohyd.ernet.in

To unsubscribe a user: from the mailing list 'listinfo' web page,
click on or enter the user's email address as if you were that user.
Where that user would put in their password to unsubscribe, put in
your admin password.  You can also use your password to change
member's options, including digestification, delivery disabling, etc.

Please address all questions to mailman-ad...@dcis.uohyd.ernet.in.
---

when i try to view my list in the interface, it is giving a message 

No such list mtech-cs-2010

i then added few members to the list using /bin/add_members -r s mtech-cs-2010

s is the file containing list of mail ids

it gave the following 

dcis:/var/mailman/bin # ./add_members -r s mtech-cs-2010
/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py:469: DeprecationWarning: raising a string 
exception is deprecated
  raise quickexit
Subscribed: sand...@dcis.uohyd.ernet.in
Subscribed: anil_moog...@dcis.uohyd.ernet.in

a welcome message is sent to the members subscribed.

when i try to post a message to the list i have created, it gave me a 


Returned mail: see transcript for details
The original message was received at Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:23:34 +0530
from localhost [127.0.0.1]

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mtech-cs-2010
(reason: 1)
(expanded from: mtech-cs-2...@dcis.uohyd.ernet.in)

   - Transcript of session follows -
post script, list not found: mtech-cs-2010


554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1


  

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[Mailman-Users] Test messages

2010-07-29 Thread LuKreme
I may have asked this before, but if so I can't find it in my archives.

Is there a way to send a test message to a list without it being sent out to 
the entire list? Something like a ping that only replies to you?

I have a list I host for a friend that is very sporadic. When active it can get 
100 posts a day, but those days come infrequently.

Sometimes he's concerned that posts are getting lost (it's happened in the past 
that some configuration muckup has borked the list) and he'd like to be able to 
check that the list is ok.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Test messages

2010-07-29 Thread Malcolm Austen

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:45:43 +0100, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote:


I may have asked this before, but if so I can't find it in my archives.

Is there a way to send a test message to a list without it being sent  
out to the entire list? Something like a ping that only replies to you?


I have a list I host for a friend that is very sporadic. When active it  
can get 100 posts a day, but those days come infrequently.


Sometimes he's concerned that posts are getting lost (it's happened in  
the past that some configuration muckup has borked the list) and he'd  
like to be able to check that the list is ok.


I habitually configure lists with spam filter entries of the form:

 ^Subject:.*test.*

Other entries contain the words 'spam', 'virus' and 'digest'. Then, if you  
only want to test the process to the list, all you need do is put 'test'  
into the subject line.


You could, of course, apply emergency moderation for the duration of the  
test!


I'm sure there are other options (I don't have back-end shell access to my  
lists) that involve stopping the outgoing mail and archive handlers.


= Malcolm.

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[Mailman-Users] limitation in name of the account between the mail client and mailman?

2010-07-29 Thread Esteban Torres


RHEL 5.3
postfix-2.3.3
mailman-2.1.9


I have a problem with the mail client (thunderbird and Outlook Express). When 
sending an email to the list from the mail client and the client has set the 
name of the big personal information does not commands. I get this error:

July 29 11:53:10 2010 (29 383) All recipients Refused: ('=? Iso-8859-1? Q? 
Administrative = f3n_of_system_and_configurati? =': (550, '5 .1.1 =? 
Iso-8859-1? q? administrative = f3n_of_system_and_configurati? =: Recipient 
address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table ')), msgid: 
mailman.70.1280397189.29381.support_...@test.es
July 29 11:53:10 2010 (29 383) delivery to =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Administrative = 
f3n_of_system_and_configurati? = Failed with code 550: 5.1.1 =? Iso-8859-1? Q? 
Administrative = f3n_of_system_and_configurati ? =: Recipient address 
rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table


If I send from squirrelmail works fine.

If the name of the account of the personal information I set it up shorter 
length also works perfect.

Is there any length limitation in name of the account between the mail client 
and mailman?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Test messages

2010-07-29 Thread Steff Watkins
 

 -Original Message-
 From: mailman-users-bounces+s.watkins=nhm.ac...@python.org 
 [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+s.watkins=nhm.ac...@python.org] 
 On Behalf Of Malcolm Austen

 I habitually configure lists with spam filter entries of the form:
 
   ^Subject:.*test.*
 
 Other entries contain the words 'spam', 'virus' and 'digest'. 
 Then, if you only want to test the process to the list, all 
 you need do is put 'test'  
 into the subject line.
 
 You could, of course, apply emergency moderation for the 
 duration of the test!
 
 I'm sure there are other options (I don't have back-end shell 
 access to my
 lists) that involve stopping the outgoing mail and archive handlers.
 
 = Malcolm.

I'm not too sure how useful this would be for testing end-to-end
throughput. When I was a little green about the gills (or greener than I
am now) wrt. Mailman I had a problem with an intermittently
unresponsive list. I looked at most things I could think of but
couldn't find the problem.

Eventually the penny dropped and I realised that those pesky 'runner'
processes had something to do with something in particular the Incoming
and Outgoing runner. Sure enough my process list showed that the
Incoming runner was there but the Outgoing runner would die. (I fixed
that issue, it was something to do with directory ownerships). End
result, email came into the list and then just sat there.

Anyway, if you had a spam rule then surely that'd be great for testing
the message coming into the list at which point it'd be blocked (as
spam) but it wouldn't test whether the message would be mailed
out/forwarded to the list members.

I'm showing a bit of interest in this request as I'd like to know if
there is a way of doing just this, sending a test email to an
established list that only list admin and/or myself would recive to
check the list is running fine.

One thought/idea I've had is to have a test list which has only my
work email address, an offsite email address and maybe one or two of my
colleagues (for verification purposes), lock it right down so that only
the members can use it, add the Me too tag so that we'd receive any
emails we sent to the list and use that to check that the mailman
service is functional. Does that sound a valid way of doing it, too much
effort FWIW or missing the point as it wouldn't test a particular list
just the mailman service?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Test messages

2010-07-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Steff Watkins writes:

  One thought/idea I've had is to have a test list which has only my
  work email address, an offsite email address and maybe one or two of my
  colleagues (for verification purposes), lock it right down so that only
  the members can use it, add the Me too tag so that we'd receive any
  emails we sent to the list and use that to check that the mailman
  service is functional. Does that sound a valid way of doing it, too much
  effort FWIW or missing the point as it wouldn't test a particular list
  just the mailman service?

This is precisely what I do.

It is possible, but unlikely, that a particular list would have a
problem.  For example, it could have something to do with the size of
the list, such as recipient MTAs not liking too many RCPT TOs on a
single message, or a fascist (message-dropping) throttle at your ISP.

But the outgoing runner doesn't care what the list is, and neither
does the MTA, so the test list *is* a valid test, especially for the
(fairly common, as Mailman failures go) failure case of a runner going
down.  At least you can rule that out.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Test messages

2010-07-29 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:12:52PM +0100, Steff Watkins wrote:
 One thought/idea I've had is to have a test list which has only my
 work email address, an offsite email address and maybe one or two of my
 colleagues (for verification purposes), lock it right down so that only
 the members can use it, add the Me too tag so that we'd receive any
 emails we sent to the list and use that to check that the mailman
 service is functional. 

That might be one way; although useful for those of us not on some
tuppence ha'penny shoe-string ISP who believe in limiting the amount
of mail transmissions (and where the punter may not know of those
limits).

Of course, MTA problems may also exist, which that approach wouldn't
examine (nor do I see mention of testing the web interfaces work).

*brainfart*
Perhaps a Mailman-admin's 'test suite' might be useful? And
presumably have the option to run (gah!) via the web-admin interface,
as well as the command line

 Does that sound a valid way of doing it, too much
 effort FWIW or missing the point as it wouldn't test a particular list
 just the mailman service?

using config_list on a troublesome list, a spot of sed/withlist, and
config_list on a new list, may be one way to transfer the list
settings over; possibly followed by remove_members -a and add_members;
all of that could be made into a two arguements clonelist script.

This doesn't, of course, help, if Mailman's not running -- never rule
out (or forget about) the obvious -- nor, say if there's a lack of
disk-space.

I can't remember what, if anything, was decided about test lists in
MM3. 

I'll be waiting for MM3, before I start fiddling with trending Mailman
in Nagios; for now, my last posts script/output does the job well
enough (and I am a lazy sysadmin) for me.

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[Mailman-Users] Someone to install Mailman?

2010-07-29 Thread Alison Epstein

Is there anyone out there who does freelance installations of Mailman?

And if so, how much do you charge an hour and how much time do you  
estimate it would take to install and get me started?


Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] about address format

2010-07-29 Thread Sandi Gruver
A list member wants to change her subscriptions from @xxx.edu to @mail.xxx.edu.
She is unable to do so globally, received this message:
 Bad email address provided Member name successfully changed.

Later she unsubscribed from a different list and on attempting to re-subscribe 
with the new address (@mail.xxx.edu) she got this error:
The email address you supplied is not valid. (E.g. it must contain an`@'.)

Any suggestions for this type of mail address?  (Didn't find anything helpful 
in the archives)
... and, yes I can manually subscribe her.
 

Thank you,

Sandi Gruver
Unix System Administrator
SBCTC-ITD
1300 Quince Street SE
Olympia, WA 98504
360.704.1019


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Someone to install Mailman?

2010-07-29 Thread Толкунов Григорий
At the moment I am compelled to install Mailman,
so Mailman I have on FreeBSD 6.2 does not accept messages (list test) from 
users - 

- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
|/usr/local/mailmam/mail/mailman post test
(reason: 127)
 - Transcript of session follows -
/usr/local/mailmam/mail/mailman: not found
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 127
--
It's as in the case  with-mail-gid is not established: Group mismatch error. 
Mailman expected ..as group mailnull, but the mail server to run the script 
as group wheel... ;
The message arises on the screen after command #/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman 
post test

command make -V CONFIGURE_ARGS  in  /usr/ports/mail/mailman  gives out  
with-mail-gid=mailnull

Thanks for help...


29.07.10, 16:32, Alison Epstein aepst...@fmams.org.il:

 Is there anyone out there who does freelance installations of Mailman?
  
  And if so, how much do you charge an hour and how much time do you  
  estimate it would take to install and get me started?
  
  Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unable to post messages to my list

2010-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/28/2010 11:55 PM, sandeep kumar wrote:
 i have created a list with the following command in the command line
 
 /etc/newlist mtech-cs-2010 anil_moog...@dcis.uohyd.ernet.in password
 
 and then i have added the aliases to the /etc/aliases file...
 
 then i got a mail in my mail box saying
 
 The mailing list `mtech-cs-2010' has just been created for you. 
[...]
 ---
 
 when i try to view my list in the interface, it is giving a message 
 
 No such list mtech-cs-2010


See my reply to your off list message.

Everything points to two Mailman installations. All the command line
stuff you are doing is with a Mailman installation that is not the same
as the one accessed via the web.

Check the ScriptAlias for mailman in the web server and see where it points.


 i then added few members to the list using /bin/add_members -r s mtech-cs-2010
 
 s is the file containing list of mail ids
 
 it gave the following 
 
 dcis:/var/mailman/bin # ./add_members -r s mtech-cs-2010
 /var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py:469: DeprecationWarning: raising a string 
 exception is deprecated
   raise quickexit


See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/pYA9 for information about which
Mailman versions are compatible with which Python versions.


 Subscribed: sand...@dcis.uohyd.ernet.in
 Subscribed: anil_moog...@dcis.uohyd.ernet.in
 
 a welcome message is sent to the members subscribed.
 
 when i try to post a message to the list i have created, it gave me a 
 
 
 Returned mail: see transcript for details
 The original message was received at Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:23:34 +0530
 from localhost [127.0.0.1]
 
- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
 |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mtech-cs-2010
 (reason: 1)
 (expanded from: mtech-cs-2...@dcis.uohyd.ernet.in)
 
- Transcript of session follows -
 post script, list not found: mtech-cs-2010


Your Mailman instalation in /usr/lib/mailman is not the same Mailman
installation as the one in /var/mailman. These appear to be two
different installations. You are creating lists with
/var/mailman/bin/newlist, etc. and your web server and your aliases
point to the installation in /usr/lib/mailman which is not the same
Mailman instance.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] limitation in name of the account between the mail client and mailman?

2010-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/29/2010 3:33 AM, Esteban Torres wrote:
 
 
 RHEL 5.3 postfix-2.3.3 mailman-2.1.9
 
 
 I have a problem with the mail client (thunderbird and Outlook
 Express). When sending an email to the list from the mail client and
 the client has set the name of the big personal information does not
 commands. I get this error:
 
 July 29 11:53:10 2010 (29 383) All recipients Refused: ('=?
 Iso-8859-1? Q? Administrative = f3n_of_system_and_configurati? =':
 (550, '5 .1.1 =? Iso-8859-1? q? administrative =
 f3n_of_system_and_configurati? =: Recipient address rejected: User
 unknown in relay recipient table ')), msgid:
 mailman.70.1280397189.29381.support_...@test.es July 29 11:53:10
 2010 (29 383) delivery to =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Administrative =
 f3n_of_system_and_configurati? = Failed with code 550: 5.1.1 =?
 Iso-8859-1? Q? Administrative = f3n_of_system_and_configurati ? =:
 Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table


The client is trying to send to the address Administrativeón of system
and configurati instead of some address like listn...@example.com

This is strictly a mail client issue. It has nothing to do with Mailman
as far as I can see.


I do not understand what the client has set the name of the big
personal information does not commands means, but perhaps this has
something to do with it.

 If I send from squirrelmail works fine.
 
 If the name of the account of the personal information I set it up
 shorter length also works perfect.
 
 Is there any length limitation in name of the account between the
 mail client and mailman?


Are you saying the list name is Administrativeón of system and
configurati...?  If so, the list name can't contain spaces, but there
is no Mailman limitation on the length of the listname.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Someone to install Mailman?

2010-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Please don't hijack threads. Post new topics as a new post, not as a
reply to an unrelated message.


On 7/29/2010 7:29 AM, Толкунов Григорий wrote:
 At the moment I am compelled to install Mailman,
 so Mailman I have on FreeBSD 6.2 does not accept messages (list test) from 
 users - 
 
 - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
 |/usr/local/mailmam/mail/mailman post test
 (reason: 127)
  - Transcript of session follows -
 /usr/local/mailmam/mail/mailman: not found
 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 127
 --


Your aliases or whatever your MTA uses to deliver mail to Mailman
do/does not point to the correct location for the mail/mailman wrapper.
This says the MTA is trying to pipe the mail to
/usr/local/mailmam/mail/mailman, and that file is not found.


 It's as in the case  with-mail-gid is not established: Group mismatch error. 
 Mailman expected ..as group mailnull, but the mail server to run the script 
 as group wheel... ;
 The message arises on the screen after command 
 #/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test
 
 command make -V CONFIGURE_ARGS  in  /usr/ports/mail/mailman  gives out  
 with-mail-gid=mailnull


This is a separate issue from the one above. It says that your Mailman
has been configured to expect the mailman/mail/mailman wrapper to be
invoked by the some process running as group 'mailnull', but the MTA is
invoking it as group 'wheel'.

You can see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9 for a more detailed
explanation, but how to fix it is a FreeBSD packaging question.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] about address format

2010-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Sandi Gruver wrote:

A list member wants to change her subscriptions from @xxx.edu to @mail.xxx.edu.
She is unable to do so globally, received this message:
 Bad email address provided Member name successfully changed.


There should be no reason why Mailman would not accept an address of
the form usern...@mail.xxx.edu for a global or individual list address
change from the user's options page.


Later she unsubscribed from a different list and on attempting to re-subscribe 
with the new address (@mail.xxx.edu) she got this error:
The email address you supplied is not valid. (E.g. it must contain an`@'.)


I'm only guessing here, but it seems she is not actually providing an
email address of the form usern...@mail.xxx.edu. She is providing an
invalid address which is syntactically invalid for some reason other
than the domain's being mail.xxx.edu.


Any suggestions for this type of mail address?  (Didn't find anything helpful 
in the archives)
... and, yes I can manually subscribe her.


And can you subscribe her mail.xxx.edu address using the methods that
she is using (subscribe from the list's listinfo page)?

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