[Mailman-Users] mailman running very slow
Yes I've tried to research via google, etc. I've run through the page at:
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.78+Troubleshooting-+No+mail+going+out+to+lists+members
I'm running ubuntu with mailman 2.1.14 and things seem to be taking
forever. Until a few days ago things were running fine. There have
been no config/system changes.
One of the things I'm seeing is is the smtp log file:
Oct 23 13:42:13 2012 (19673)
7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b...@marchreport.com smtp to
marchreport_daily_alert_ctc10 for 2 recips, completed in 168.029 seconds
That seem to be a very long time for processing a list.
Also mailing from a week ago are starting to come through, but I thought
I'd removed all of them from both the mailq and from mailman. I thought
I new how to cancel/remove older mailings, but it seems not. How do you
cancel old mailings? I've cleared the postfix queue and I thought I'd
cleared the mailman qfiles.
I'm also occasionally getting the following error in the smtp-failure log:
Oct 24 06:00:01 2012 (29638) Low level smtp error: (4, 'Interrupted
system call'), msgid:7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b...@marchreport.com
We're using ubuntu with postfix.
python processes:
mailman 4576 0.0 0.0 9608 4792 ?Ss 06:00 0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
mailman 4577 0.0 0.0 9552 6456 ?S06:00 0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 4578 0.0 0.1 17420 14696 ?S06:00 0:01
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 4579 0.0 0.0 9528 6436 ?S06:00 0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 4580 0.0 0.0 9544 6444 ?S06:00 0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 4581 0.0 0.0 9520 6488 ?S06:00 0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 4582 0.2 0.1 14628 11964 ?S06:00 0:25
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 4583 0.0 0.1 12332 9688 ?S06:00 0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 4584 0.0 0.0 9512 6448 ?S06:00 0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 4585 0.0 0.0 9728 6904 ?S06:00 0:08
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=MaildirRunner:0:1 -s
another error in smtp-failure:
Oct 24 09:37:18 2012 (4582) All recipients refused: {'mmm5...@aol.com':
(503, '5.5.1 Error: nested MAIL command')}, msgid:
7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b...@marchreport.com
The SMTP settings in mm_cfg.py:
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'
SMTPPORT = 587
#SMTPHOST = 'mail.marchreport.com' Just did this change from name to ip
SMTPHOST = '71.244.124.123'
postfix listens on 587:
master.cf:587 inet n - n - 120 smtpd
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[Mailman-Users] meaning of data in mailman smtp file
What does this line really mean and why does it take so long to run? Oct 23 06:03:01 2012 (1870) 7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b...@marchreport.com smtp to marchreport_daily_alert_ctc10 for 2 recips, completed in 168.022 seconds Thanks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman running very slow
On Wed, 2012-10-24 at 09:54 -0400, Richard Shetron wrote: Oct 23 13:42:13 2012 (19673) 7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b...@marchreport.com smtp to marchreport_daily_alert_ctc10 for 2 recips, completed in 168.029 seconds That seem to be a very long time for processing a list. Yes, that's a long time. If nothing has changed in your Mailman installation, I'd guess you're looking at an issue with the SMTP server, or possibly a network issue. A look at your mail server logs and the timestamp data therein should give you a finer-grained look at the timing of SMTP events associated with Mailman's outgoing posts. Another very useful tool for analyzing mail issues is swaks. -- Lindsay Haisley | We are all broken toasters, but we still FMP Computer Services |manage to make toast 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com|- Cheryl Dehut -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] meaning of data in mailman smtp file
* Richard Shetron gue...@sgeinc.com: What does this line really mean and why does it take so long to run? It means that sending the mail to the marchreport_daily_alert_ctc10 list too 168.022 seconds, Oct 23 06:03:01 2012 (1870) 7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b...@marchreport.com smtp to marchreport_daily_alert_ctc10 for 2 recips, completed in 168.022 seconds A look at your mail server logs and the timestamp data therein should give you a finer-grained look at the timing of SMTP events associated with Mailman's outgoing posts. It should be easy to find. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman running very slow
Richard Shetron wrote:
Also mailing from a week ago are starting to come through, but I thought
I'd removed all of them from both the mailq and from mailman. I thought
I new how to cancel/remove older mailings, but it seems not. How do you
cancel old mailings? I've cleared the postfix queue and I thought I'd
cleared the mailman qfiles.
If you removed all the entries from Mailman's queue files or at least
those in the out/ and retry/ queues, no old messages should be coming
from Mailman except for messages that were held for moderation and
have been subsequently approved.
I'm also occasionally getting the following error in the smtp-failure log:
Oct 24 06:00:01 2012 (29638) Low level smtp error: (4, 'Interrupted
system call'), msgid:7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b...@marchreport.com
See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/-IA9.
We're using ubuntu with postfix.
python processes:
[...]
mailman 4585 0.0 0.0 9728 6904 ?S06:00 0:08
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=MaildirRunner:0:1 -s
Why are you running MaildirRunner? are you actually using maildir
delivery to Mailman?
another error in smtp-failure:
Oct 24 09:37:18 2012 (4582) All recipients refused: {'mmm5...@aol.com':
(503, '5.5.1 Error: nested MAIL command')}, msgid:
7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b...@marchreport.com
This indicates some serious confusion in Python's smtplib.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman running very slow
On Oct 24, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Lindsay Haisley fmouse-mail...@fmp.com wrote: That seem to be a very long time for processing a list. Yes, that's a long time. If nothing has changed in your Mailman installation, I'd guess you're looking at an issue with the SMTP server, or possibly a network issue. A look at your mail server logs and the timestamp data therein should give you a finer-grained look at the timing of SMTP events associated with Mailman's outgoing posts. One thing I've found in the past is that frequently the mailing list administration and the SMTP MTA administration is done by different teams, and when one side asks the other if anything has changed the answer will frequently be No, nothing at all. However, in many cases, there were changes made that were felt to be so minor that they were trivial and wouldn't count as real changes. Nevertheless, many so-called trivial changes can frequently have impacts far above and beyond what was anticipated. I'd encourage the OP to also check out their DNS caching resolver servers, to see if they've recently had any problems or made any changes (even apparently trivial ones). Another very useful tool for analyzing mail issues is swaks. Now that's a tool I had not heard of before. I'm assuming you mean the tool at http://www.jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/? -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Automated Subscription Bots Inundating List Owners With Subscription Requests
Lindsay Haisley writes: On the other hand, most people get spam, and hate it, and can appreciate that their own interests are served by having to jump through a hoop or two to make sure that they're entering a bot-free zone. Sure, all of that is true, except for the implication that CAPTCHAs and other complicated reverse Turing tests actually are effective enough to be worth it. As several people have pointed out, all you really need to do is to make up your own trivial test that requires actually understanding English. It will keep 'bots out, but if somebody really wants you, they'll do it themselves or pay somebody to do it.[1] CAPTCHAs and PlayThru work only because nobody really wants access to your piddly little list anyway. Footnotes: [1] In fact, I bet a sufficiently smart ripoff artist could simply VNC the Playthru to some other site that lots of people (speaking loosely here) want to access (porn, gambling), and then relay the solution back to the site they want access to. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman running very slow
On Wed, 2012-10-24 at 11:06 -0700, Brad Knowles wrote: Another very useful tool for analyzing mail issues is swaks. Now that's a tool I had not heard of before. I'm assuming you mean the tool at http://www.jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/? That's the one. I used to test SMTP stuff by using telnet to port 25 and talking to an SMTP server, but swaks does all the lifting for you, and gives you a terminal display of the entire dialog in real time, so you can see where a SMTP transaction is hanging, or timing out, or whatever. It's written in perl, and self-docs with a man-page like help system. It has a ton of useful options, and is truly, as advertised, the Swiss army knife for SMTP. As a mail admin, I couldn't be without it :) -- Lindsay Haisley | Behold! Our way lies through a FMP Computer Services |dark wood whence in which 512-259-1190 | weirdness may wallow!” http://www.fmp.com| --Beauregard -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman running very slow
I played with some settings and did some restarts and things look better: Oct 24 17:13:22 2012 (5464) 7.0.1.0.0.20121023125107.046bd...@marchreport.com smtp to marchreport_daily_alert_ctc01 for 3379 recips, completed in 151.441 seconds Oct 24 17:16:11 2012 (5464) 7.0.1.0.0.20121023125107.046bd...@marchreport.com smtp to marchreport_daily_alert_cta31 for 3826 recips, completed in 169.111 seconds Oct 24 17:25:44 2012 (5464) 7.0.1.0.0.20121023125107.046bd...@marchreport.com smtp to marchreport_daily_alert_ctc02 for 7202 recips, completed in 572.629 seconds Oct 24 17:29:32 2012 (5464) 7.0.1.0.0.20121023125107.046bd...@marchreport.com smtp to marchreport_daily_alert_ctc03 for 3694 recips, completed in 227.642 seconds Thanks! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman running very slow
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:06:28AM -0700, Brad Knowles wrote: On Oct 24, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Lindsay Haisley fmouse-mail...@fmp.com wrote: Another very useful tool for analyzing mail issues is swaks. Now that's a tool I had not heard of before. I'm assuming you mean the tool at http://www.jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/? swaks truly is a lovely tool. -- Like any Englishman armed with a cricket bat, he was doomed to fail. -- Guy Ladenburg (prosecuting counsel, comments on Paul Kelleher's first attempt to behead a statue of Margaret Thatcher) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman running very slow
On Oct 24, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Adam McGreggor wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:06:28AM -0700, Brad Knowles wrote: On Oct 24, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Lindsay Haisley fmouse-mail...@fmp.com wrote: Another very useful tool for analyzing mail issues is swaks. Now that's a tool I had not heard of before. I'm assuming you mean the tool at http://www.jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/? swaks truly is a lovely tool. `apt-get install swaks` Wow, indeed. Very cool. That'll make a nice Mailman 3 testing tool. Cheers, -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
