Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces
Dmitri, Chip, Mark Thank you. So your judgment would be for Yahoo users in particular to get a new address? How about hotmail, outlook, or gmail users? Of course they could, I assume, keep those addresses for nob mailing list stuff and open a new account for mailing lists with protonmail, tutanova etc if they do not have a company or school address (and forward to a mail client if they know how to do that-which many of my users being language teachers seem to be resistant to understanding-grin). Any recommendations on big email companies that are safe? And would you limit it to Yahoo or tell others on hotmail and gmail having trouble the same? Thanks --Paul arensonp...@tokyoprogressive.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.
Thank you to Steve Turnbull and Mark Shapiro for helping me brainstorm why my mailing list was not working. It turns out it was not a Mailman problem after all. my provider sent me new server info that went straight into my spam box, and so when it was time to update my mail server (send and receive both new), I stopped getting mail and being able to send mail. Now that I have updated the servers, all is well. Well, one thing is odd: no system messages came into mailman until I contacted support and got the instructions. In face, all became normal IN THE MAILMAN INTERFACE at least once I had contacted support. I don’t see how my being able to send and receive would affect system messages just coming into Mailman itself…Although the messages started again from the time I was told the new server info by support, so until then they were being lost. I don’t know what to make of that, but am glad it is running again. Thanks Mark and Steve! paul -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.
Thank you Stephen….. On Aug 22, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive writes: I looked in Cpanel and could see no directory starting with /usr/. Stephen: cPanel won't give you access to that, I'm pretty sure. You need to have shell access to the host or virtual machine. If you don't know if you have shell access, you probably don't. Large hosting services tend to be quite stingy about handing out shell access. I guess maybe I don’t. Just normal FTP. turnlefthosting.org http://turnlefthosting.org/ was my idea to run a simple hosting service. With reseller hosting, in my case I don’t sell anything, but donate webspace to NPOs. Because it is a resller account with what I think it is called WHM, I create space for their domains. They get their own CPanel. So turnlefthosting.org http://turnlefthosting.org/ also hosts nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/, gale-sig.org http://gale-sig.org/, welljapan.org http://welljapan.org/, tokyoprogressive.org.uk http://tokyoprogressive.org.uk/. In fact, I realize now I don’t need all this complexity. I could do the same thing with a regular account and add-on domains. But as I have it, I can create lists for the different domains using their version of CPanel and Softaculous. I have a reseller account What does that mean? Aha, I see. *You* are turnlefthosting.org, but the PTR says your IP is assigned to 100tb.com, so you're the reseller for somebody who actually runs the hardware. Actually I am not sure what PTR is…..but my reseller hosting is just that, I pay for space from EZPZ and then can do as described above. A little bit of browsing the related DNS shows quite a bit of a mess. None of the published domains properly roundtrip A - PTR - A, they just lead into a maze of little twisty passages all alike. That doesn't necessarily cause a problem by itself, but it often makes problems harder to diagnose. I see. Not sure exactly what that means….but thanks... and nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/ is a subset of turnlefthostimg.org http://turnlefthostimg.org/, I think you're going to have to ask your upstream for help on this. Ok... That said there are a few long shots you could try to diagnose it yourself. One is a manual transaction with the mailserver and see if it's being rejected at the SMTP level. What would I need to do? Another thing I noticed is that you typoed turnlefthosting.org as turnlefthostimg.org in the above. Is it possible that you typoed a host or list name somewhere in a recent configuration ichange? Nothing changed at all in my list. It was working with no problems for 2 years. Recently I have been getting a lot of spam, so when a sufficient number had built up I went in and got rid of it using BAN so-and-so, DISCARD, so and so… I am suspicious that I did something at this level, but can’t see anything that would cause that problem…. Do you have a personal mailbox on nangoku-jiyu-jin.net? If so, does that work? Yes, both p...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net mailto:p...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net and p...@turnlefthosting.org mailto:p...@turnlefthosting.org work when sent mail from another address. BUT it is going on 5 minutes that I sent mail FROM each of those addresses to themselves and they did NOT arrive. An SMTP level error? They show up in their respective SENT folders and I get no error message. This sounds like NOT a MAILMAN problem… The last time I used the nangoku-jiyu-jin account to send was actually to mailman in July for the newsletter, which went through, so something has happened in the last month to affect SENDING from my domains it seems. I suppose you are the owner of your lists. Have you tried writing to listname-ow...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net? It should forward to you. Just tried, from a different domain, and am still waiting for a response. Suggests it is not ONLY an SMPT problem? According to the page at http://www.nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/mailman/listinfo/mailman, the mailman@ list is hosted by dionysus.thewebhostserver.com, and the owner is r...@dionysus.thewebhostserver.com. This is probably typical of cPanel (which has its own way of handling virtual hosting), but you should check your own listinfo and admin pages to be sure the virtual hosting is working correctly and everything points to nangoku-jiyu-jin.net. (You may have trouble finding the proper Mailman interface, though, because cPanel has its own idiosyncratic management interface, and may even make the original inaccessible.) This is it, right? http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/mailman/listinfo/tokyoprogressive_nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/mailman/listinfo/tokyoprogressive_nangoku-jiyu-jin.net webhostserver is the name EZPZ (my webhosting provider) assigns. I am not sure about the dionysus…. Are your lists archived? yes, here: http://nangoku
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.
Thanks for your message, Steven.
On 2015/08/24, at 1:44, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote:
Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive writes:
Actually I am not sure what PTR is…..but my reseller hosting is
just that, I pay for space from EZPZ and then can do as described
above.
Ah, sorry. PTR is the pointer record from a numeric IP address to a
human-readable domain name.
I see. Not sure exactly what that means….but thanks...
If you don't know, and don't care, no problem. If you want the long
story, just ask. :-)
Thanks
That said there are a few long shots you could try to diagnose it
yourself. One is a manual transaction with the mailserver and see if
it's being rejected at the SMTP level.
What would I need to do?
Give me an existing address, which you already did. :-) I just sent
you a test message from st...@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp, and it was
accepted OK by nangoku-jiyu-jin-net (which again identified itself
as dionysus). So it's not a problem at the incoming SMTP level, mail
is going in to the host.
Right. I received it. I responded once from the same account. And once from the
Tokyoprogressive account. I believe ONLY the one I sent from Tokyoprogressive
went through, pointing to a SENDING problem from nangoku-jiyu-jin and maybe
also turnlefthosting.org. Tokyoprogressive would be unaffected because it is a
totally different provider.
Nothing changed at all in my list.
No changes to the host configuration (general spam filters, etc) that
you know of, either, right?
It was working with no problems for 2 years. Recently I have been
getting a lot of spam, so when a sufficient number had built up I
went in and got rid of it using BAN so-and-so, DISCARD, so and so…
You mean in the Mailman moderation interface for the list, right?
Theoretically you could have sent mail, it got spamtrapped but you
didn't notice the your post never appeared on the list, you banned the
author and didn't notice it was you, etc, etc. Doesn't seem likely.
It would be much more likely if you entered patterns by hand in the
Privacy - {Sender,Recipient,Spam} Filter screens. (I don't know if
cPanel has those, that's what they are called in unmodified Mailman.)
But I guess you didn't do that?
No, and everything I do though in mailman is in the mailman program. Almost
never touch cpanel.
Yes, both p...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net
mailto:p...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net and p...@turnlefthosting.org
mailto:p...@turnlefthosting.org work when sent mail from another
address.
BUT it is going on 5 minutes that I sent mail FROM each of those
addresses to themselves and they did NOT arrive.
How do you do that? By setting the From and To addresses in your
local mail client, and sending via smtp.comcast.net? Or do you have
webmail running on nangoku-jiyu-jin.net, or ... ?
On my Mac in my mail client. There is a web interface in cpanel, but I have
rarely used it.
They show up in their respective SENT folders and I get no error
message.
Do you have a copy of an old message sent through your list, with all
headers intact (I want to look at the Received headers)? I don't need
the content, just the headers, but if the content is innocuous, just
forward the whole message to me.
Yes. When I get home I can send you the July message, which went through. In
mailman's archives it shows up with the html unreadable, but in a mail client
it works.
This sounds like NOT a MAILMAN problem…
I agree.
http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/mailman/listinfo/tokyoprogressive_nangoku-jiyu-jin.net
Everything looks good there. Not that there's all that much, but it
looks like the admin addresses etc in the mailto links are right and
the archive link works, and the admin link works (although as expected
it's not very helpful since I can't log in).
I could enable that if need be.
Are your lists archived?
Thanks, I found them. Unfortunately, they don't have the trace
headers (Received) in them (and they wouldn't have the outgoing hops
anyway). So they weren't much help.
You are in Japan by any chance? You know the term “kechi”. There
is an historian on Japanese history with your name, but wait, there
is an academic at Tsukuba with the same name. (I was there for two
years starting in 2009 or 10).
I'm the latter, in the Policy and Planning Sciences department.
Dozo,yoroshiku. I was at the language center and also taught the head of the
nursing dept privately as my wife is also a nurse.
I wonder….EZPZ is pretty big, but i guess that doesn’t necessarily
mean anything….Also, this is an installation from the Softaculous
package, so I doubt they even support it.
How do you install something unsupported if you don't have a shell
account? I'm curious because maybe you do have a shell account but
don't know it. :-)
In Cpanel they have something called Softaculous. Previously they used
something called Fantastico. I guess
[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.
Further to the above, I have tested and found NOTHING goes through…I can’t even get a request to subscribe through. It is effectively dead!!! What to do? Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive p...@tokyoprogressive.org Begin forwarded message: From: Paul Arenson/tokyoprogressive p...@tokyoprogressive.org Subject: Re: Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear. Date: August 22, 2015 at 2:26:22 PM GMT+9 To: mailman-users@python.org mailman-users@python.org Thank you, Mark. I looked in Cpanel and could see no directory starting with /usr/. I have a reseller account and nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/ is a subset of turnlefthostimg.org http://turnlefthostimg.org/, but for now I am looking in the cpanel for nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/. Again, no such directory in that CPanel. I tried looking in root, etc. but do not see such a name as /usr/. Then I figured out my FTP login and got in using the Transmit program. I see a /usr/ folder at the end of a very long list of folders and files: .bash.logout — --- -- cpanel folder public_ftp public_html ssl tmp usr www I click on usr and get Could not change directory to /usr Server said can’t change directory to /usr: No such directory. Error -125: remote chdir failed. There is a cpanel folder but that doesn’t seem to help. Am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks, Paul -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.
Thank you, Mark. I looked in Cpanel and could see no directory starting with /usr/. I have a reseller account and nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/ is a subset of turnlefthostimg.org http://turnlefthostimg.org/, but for now I am looking in the cpanel for nangoku-jiyu-jin.net http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/. Again, no such directory in that CPanel. I tried looking in root, etc. but do not see such a name as /usr/. Then I figured out my FTP login and got in using the Transmit program. I see a /usr/ folder at the end of a very long list of folders and files: .bash.logout — --- -- cpanel folder public_ftp public_html ssl tmp usr www I click on usr and get Could not change directory to /usr Server said can’t change directory to /usr: No such directory. Error -125: remote chdir failed. There is a cpanel folder but that doesn’t seem to help. Am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks, Paul -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to own mailman list disappear.
Thank you Mark. About Vette list, I don't know if I have shell access. I have CPanel, and that is all I have used. Any way to check? I will, in the meantime, try another subject, though somehow I don't think that is it, as I havenever set anything to discard. Anyway to check what my settings are within mailman, such as if I marked my name for automatic deletion by mistake? paul -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Why do my posts to my own mailman list disappear.
I have had my own mailman list for two years. Recently, messages I sent to the list neither appeared (when sent from my regular email account), nor generated a message that the message was being held for moderation, when sent from another email account. I have no clue. Well, just one really. Recently I have had so many spam messages, dealt with by banning or automatically rejecting, am am wondering if I somehow automatically deleted my own info. If so, is there any way to check and remedy? Or could there be another reason? I am on a Mac, for what it is worth. Thanks, paul Sent from my iPad -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
