On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 05:00:56PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
* Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have recently been getting some of these from one of my mailing lists.
Welcome to the wonderful world of AOL retards.
There is nothing in it (that I've been able to see) that would
* Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 7/14/07, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:
Simple - yes. Effective? Depends on what you are after. By doing it this
way you are not really different from AOL, are you? You punish many users
just because some other are thoughtless and lazy. When I offer something,
* Dave Dewey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Do you use VERP to send out the mails? If you do that you can see who
the culprit is.
VERP doesn't work any longer for these, as of a couple months ago.
Damn! My last TOS notification dates back quite some time...
They now redact ALL information that can
Quoting Christopher X. Candreva ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Dave Dewey wrote:
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow, maybe I'm just lucky.
Is your server on the AOL whitelist ?
Yep. I get very few complaints, 99% of them accidental, so for
me it's just a way to contact
Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
OK, so VERP is still the way to go, since the message-id is always
different
Do you mean the SMTP id in the first Received: (from Mailman) header?
You can get the recipient from your MTA log using this, but the
Message-ID: header is normally unchanged from the incoming
I have recently been getting some of these from one of my mailing lists.
There is nothing in it (that I've been able to see) that would tell me
who the user is that is rejecting the email. There are several AOL
addresses subscribed but only one rejection each time a mailing goes out.
1) Have I
* Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have recently been getting some of these from one of my mailing lists.
Welcome to the wonderful world of AOL retards.
There is nothing in it (that I've been able to see) that would tell me
who the user is that is rejecting the email. There are several AOL
On 7/14/07 9:38 AM, Rick Pasotto at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have recently been getting some of these from one of my mailing lists.
There is nothing in it (that I've been able to see) that would tell me
who the user is that is rejecting the email. There are several AOL
addresses subscribed
Hello,
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:00:56 +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have recently been getting some of these from one of my mailing lists.
Welcome to the wonderful world of AOL retards.
There is nothing in it (that I've been able to
On 7/14/07, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:
But beware... I recently wrote to two subscribers that we have been sending
free content to, and as kindly as possible, I wrote that clicking spam
makes it very difficult for us and other AOL users to send/receive the
content. I also notified them that
Hello,
As Larry Stone mentioned, just put something in the headers and
footers of every message, which tells AOL users that they will have
their entire domain permanently banned from the list, if you get too
many spam complaints.
Then carry through on that threat when it happens.
* Zbigniew Szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Do you use VERP to send out the mails? If you do that you can see who
the culprit is.
What I do is I open the email headers and look for message ID. Then, based
on the email date, I grep the appropriate log and find out the ok
never mind, let's
On 7/14/07 12:42 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
As Larry Stone mentioned, just put something in the headers and
footers of every message, which tells AOL users that they will have
their entire domain permanently banned from the list, if you get too
many spam
Quoting Ralf Hildebrandt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
* Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have recently been getting some of these from one of my mailing lists.
Welcome to the wonderful world of AOL retards.
There is nothing in it (that I've been able to see) that would tell me
who the user
On 7/14/07 3:53 PM, Dave Dewey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Ralf Hildebrandt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
* Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have recently been getting some of these from one of my mailing lists.
Welcome to the wonderful world of AOL retards.
There is nothing in it
of how many jobs would be lost? :-)
- Original Message
From: Larry Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mailman mailman-users@python.org
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 5:51:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL's Client TOS Notification
On 7/14/07 3:53 PM, Dave Dewey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Larry Stone wrote:
That's unfortunate. At this point, what's the point of getting them if they
won't give you any useful information as to who doesn't want the list mail
they requested.
It's not really supposed to be usefull on a per-mail basis, rather as a way
of
VERP doesn't work any longer for these, as of a couple months ago.
They now redact ALL information that can be used to identify the
user, including verp'd addresses.
As of June ( the last one I received) they only removed the list name part,
so you get a line like this
Return-Path: [EMAIL
Quoting Christopher X. Candreva ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
VERP doesn't work any longer for these, as of a couple months ago.
They now redact ALL information that can be used to identify the
user, including verp'd addresses.
As of June ( the last one I received) they only removed the list
On 7/14/07, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:
Simple - yes. Effective? Depends on what you are after. By doing it this
way you are not really different from AOL, are you? You punish many users
just because some other are thoughtless and lazy. When I offer something, I
want people to use it, not ban
On 7/14/07, Larry Stone wrote:
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] banned for AOL TOS notice - 10/20/05
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 554 You have previously reported requested
mail from here as SPAM - you are banned from this server (see
http://www.stonejongleux.com/spamban.html - 10/20/05)
That's
On 7/14/07, Larry Stone wrote:
But it's always been clear that AOL assumes everyone outside is a spammer.
The scary thing was that, when I was working there, every few months
we'd get a whole new raft of VPs in the company, they'd all get sick
and tired of the spam they were getting, and
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Dave Dewey wrote:
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow, maybe I'm just lucky.
Is your server on the AOL whitelist ?
==
Chris Candreva -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (914) 948-3162
WestNet Internet Services of Westchester
Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
Never overestimate the cluefulness of AOL.com users.
It doesn't help that AOL put the Report SPAM button right next to the
Delete button.
I've had a number of people report mail from my lists as spam when they
thought they were simply deleting a message they had finished
On 7/14/07 8:26 PM, Brad Knowles at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/14/07, Larry Stone wrote:
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] banned for AOL TOS notice - 10/20/05
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 554 You have previously reported requested
mail from here as SPAM - you are banned from this server (see
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