subject:"\[Mailman\-Users\] HTML formatting in digests"

Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

2002-02-09 Thread Delpy


I think this may have something to do with HTML posts to the lists. I've
heard filtering for this will be an option in 2.1. In the interim,
www.exim.org (the MTA I'm using w/OpenBSD 2.9) uses Mailman 2.08 and manages
to ship decent digests. Maybe they'd be willing to give up the secret... As
soon as I get a round-to-it, I'll ask ;)


- Original Message -
From: marina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:03 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests


 Will the formatting of email messages in digests be fixed in 2.1?

 The reason I'm asking is that, even though I do have access to a
 competent Python programmer, we manage a large mailing list on a
 server that we do not have admin access to. We get daily complaints
 from Internet users about the formatting of the digests.

 For those who have never seen this digest problem, I include an
 excerpt from yesterday's digest for the Mailman-user group (no
 criticism of the poster, btw - this is a common problem).

 Thanks,

 marina
 http://www.soapnaturally.org


 [snip]
   
   --_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF47.26790A10
   Content-Type: text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1
   
   !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN
   HTML
   HEAD
   META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1
   META NAME=Generator CONTENT=MS Exchange Server version
5.5.2653.12
   TITLERE: [Mailman-Users] Point directly to listinfo/TITLE
   /HEAD
   BODY
   
   PFONT SIZE=2Thanks for the suggestion, but I amnbsp; not sure
 of the exact meaning of your solution./FONT
   /P
   
   PFONT SIZE=2Here's what Ii understand:/FONT
   /P
   
   PFONT SIZE=2I checked my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file and
 yes it says:/FONT
   /P
   
   PFONT SIZE=2LoadModule rewrite_modulenbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;
 modules/mod_rewrite.so/FONT
   /P
   
   PFONT SIZE=2in the file./FONT
   /P
   
   PFONT SIZE=2Then I copied the lines you suggest in that file (I
 placed them right after the ScriptAlias lines)/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2I restarted the httpd daemon (killall -HUP httpd)
 and accessed my site. Same page as before. Am I missing a step?/FONT
   /P
   
   PFONT SIZE=2Thanks/FONT
   /P
   
   PFONT SIZE=2MGL/FONT
   /P
   
   PFONT SIZE=2gt; -Original Message-/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; From: Richard Barrett [A
 HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; Sent: February 6, 2002 12:33 PM/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; To: Lafleur Maurice;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Point directly
 to listinfo/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; At 11:45 06/02/2002 -0500, Lafleur Maurice
 wrote:/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;The list server I am setting up is only
 used for lists. I /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; want the default /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;page from apache to be
 my.server.org/mailman/listinfo /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; directly. I tried to /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;make a symlink between
 /var/www/html/index.html and /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;/home/mailmna/cgi-bin/listinfo :/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;ln -s /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
 /var/www/html/index.html/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; This will not work as you are trying to link
 a static page to /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; a cgi script. /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; The link is fine but Apache cannot interpret
 this as you want./FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; Asdsuming you have mod_rewrite installed, the
 following /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; Apache re-write /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; rules will work to quot;transparentlyquot;
 redirect the URI '/' and /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; '/index.html' /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; to the cgi-script/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo
[PT]/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; Whether you will get any knock-on problems
 with the browser /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; interpreting /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; relative links on the pages returned
 incorrectly is another /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; issue. If that /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; happens your may want to use the rewrite
 rules to redirect / /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; and /index.html:/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo
 [R,L]/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;but I get a Mailman CGI error page when I
 browse my server./FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;/FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;If I access /FONT
   BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;lt;A
 HREF=http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo;
 TARGET=_blankhttp://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo/Agt;A
 HREF=http://my.server.org/m;
 TARGET=_blankhttp://my.server.org/m

Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

2002-02-08 Thread marina


At 12:32 AM -0500 8/2/02 [dmy], you wrote about [Subject] Re: 
[Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests:
  I think this may have something to do with HTML posts to the lists. I've
  heard filtering for this will be an option in 2.1. In the interim,
  www.exim.org (the MTA I'm using w/OpenBSD 2.9) uses Mailman 2.08 and manages
  to ship decent digests. Maybe they'd be willing to give up the secret... As
  soon as I get a round-to-it, I'll ask ;)
  

Thanks Delpy. Yes, it is related to users who do not turn off their 
HTML or RTF or other fancy formatting options.

I for one hate and damn the day when somebody thought of adding this 
feature to e-mail. Unfortunately, it's now common practice on the 
Internet and we must live with it.

As my example demonstrated, even people on this mailing list 
(inadvertently or not) post their messages in HTML format, and even 
the Mailman distribution used by [Mailman-Users] doesn't use any of 
the patches we cannot use (even if we wanted to).

As you point out, I too have heard rumours that 2.1 may include this 
fix. That would indeed be wonderful news we could convey to our many 
disgruntles members. Does anybody know for sure, is this true or not.

Many thanks,

marina
http://www.soapnaturally.org

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

2002-02-08 Thread Nigel Metheringham


On Fri, 2002-02-08 at 11:27, marina wrote:
 At 12:32 AM -0500 8/2/02 [dmy], you wrote about [Subject] Re: 
 [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests:
   I think this may have something to do with HTML posts to the lists. I've
   heard filtering for this will be an option in 2.1. In the interim,
   www.exim.org (the MTA I'm using w/OpenBSD 2.9) uses Mailman 2.08 and manages
   to ship decent digests. Maybe they'd be willing to give up the secret... As
   soon as I get a round-to-it, I'll ask ;)

We use the patches to coerce postings to plain text on exim.org.  See
Mailman patch #413752

URL (which will probably break in transit) is:-

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=413752group_id=103atid=300103


Nigel.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

2002-02-07 Thread Skip Montanaro



marina Will the formatting of email messages in digests be fixed in
marina 2.1?

Sounds like your users have selected so-called plain text digests.  If
it's possible for them to use MIME digests, the problem should go away.
Some folks (like those using AOL I think) can't, however.

-- 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

2002-02-07 Thread marina


Dear Skip,

At 7:27 AM -0600 7/2/02 [dmy], Skip Montanaro wrote about [Subject] 
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests:
  marina Will the formatting of email messages in digests be fixed in
  marina 2.1?
  
  Sounds like your users have selected so-called plain text digests.  If
  it's possible for them to use MIME digests, the problem should go away.
  Some folks (like those using AOL I think) can't, however.
  
  --


Thank you for your suggestion.

I'm not an AOL user, I use Eudora (and have been using it for over 7 
years), and I have changed my digest options to MIME, as suggested - 
but still, I keep getting plain text digests with all the garbage 
that currently comes with them.

I believe I do have some computer expertise, and some members on the 
list have computer science degrees (although they are outnumbered by 
newbies), but still haven't been able to get digests in a readable 
form. How can I expect to be able to explain what to do, to those who 
don't even know what plain text means??

Nearly all the members of our mailing list do not use AOL. The 
problem is not what email program Internet users use. The problem is 
the format of the digests coming from Mailman.

 From what I can gather, because this is not new, this is considered 
to be a low priority problem in the development of the software. 
However, most Internet users coming into contact with Mailman for the 
first time, who happen to select the digest option, experience 
Mailman for being messy and hard to read.

This is not good for promoting the use of Mailman, despite all the 
wonderful things that it does internally - which unfortunately they 
aren't able to appreciate.

We have many people often complaining to us, and wanting to know why 
we don't move to Yahoogroups, which is much easier to use and read, 
they say. This is the marketing pression we get bombarded with, and 
we would like to know what we can tell them about what's happening in 
the future about this problem, because we really believe that Mailman 
is fundamentally a wonderful product, and we want to see it survive 
and thrive.

Many thanks for your help,

marina
http://www.soapnaturally.org

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[Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests

2002-02-06 Thread marina


Will the formatting of email messages in digests be fixed in 2.1?

The reason I'm asking is that, even though I do have access to a 
competent Python programmer, we manage a large mailing list on a 
server that we do not have admin access to. We get daily complaints 
from Internet users about the formatting of the digests.

For those who have never seen this digest problem, I include an 
excerpt from yesterday's digest for the Mailman-user group (no 
criticism of the poster, btw - this is a common problem).

Thanks,

marina
http://www.soapnaturally.org


[snip]
  
  --_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF47.26790A10
  Content-Type: text/html;
   charset=iso-8859-1
  
  !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN
  HTML
  HEAD
  META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
  META NAME=Generator CONTENT=MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12
  TITLERE: [Mailman-Users] Point directly to listinfo/TITLE
  /HEAD
  BODY
  
  PFONT SIZE=2Thanks for the suggestion, but I amnbsp; not sure 
of the exact meaning of your solution./FONT
  /P
  
  PFONT SIZE=2Here's what Ii understand:/FONT
  /P
  
  PFONT SIZE=2I checked my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file and 
yes it says:/FONT
  /P
  
  PFONT SIZE=2LoadModule rewrite_modulenbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; 
modules/mod_rewrite.so/FONT
  /P
  
  PFONT SIZE=2in the file./FONT
  /P
  
  PFONT SIZE=2Then I copied the lines you suggest in that file (I 
placed them right after the ScriptAlias lines)/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2I restarted the httpd daemon (killall -HUP httpd) 
and accessed my site. Same page as before. Am I missing a step?/FONT
  /P
  
  PFONT SIZE=2Thanks/FONT
  /P
  
  PFONT SIZE=2MGL/FONT
  /P
  
  PFONT SIZE=2gt; -Original Message-/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; From: Richard Barrett [A 
HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; Sent: February 6, 2002 12:33 PM/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; To: Lafleur Maurice; [EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Point directly 
to listinfo/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; At 11:45 06/02/2002 -0500, Lafleur Maurice 
wrote:/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;The list server I am setting up is only 
used for lists. I /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; want the default /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;page from apache to be 
my.server.org/mailman/listinfo /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; directly. I tried to /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;make a symlink between 
/var/www/html/index.html and /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;/home/mailmna/cgi-bin/listinfo :/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;ln -s /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo 
/var/www/html/index.html/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; This will not work as you are trying to link 
a static page to /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; a cgi script. /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; The link is fine but Apache cannot interpret 
this as you want./FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; Asdsuming you have mod_rewrite installed, the 
following /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; Apache re-write /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; rules will work to quot;transparentlyquot; 
redirect the URI '/' and /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; '/index.html' /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; to the cgi-script/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; Whether you will get any knock-on problems 
with the browser /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; interpreting /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; relative links on the pages returned 
incorrectly is another /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; issue. If that /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; happens your may want to use the rewrite 
rules to redirect / /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; and /index.html:/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo 
[R,L]/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;but I get a Mailman CGI error page when I 
browse my server./FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;If I access /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt; gt;lt;A 
HREF=http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo; 
TARGET=_blankhttp://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo/Agt;A 
HREF=http://my.server.org/m; 
TARGET=_blankhttp://my.server.org/m/A/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2ailman/listinfo /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt;directly it works fine./FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt;/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt;I know it is something real simple and obvious 
but I can't seem to think /FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt;strait today./FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt;/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt;Thanks/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt;/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt;MGL/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt;--/FONT
  BRFONT SIZE=2gt;Maurice G. Lafleurnbsp; 
++/FONT
  BRFONT 
SIZE=2gt;Teachernbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;
 
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