[Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps
I am stuck trying to help a friend configure their setup. Their main domain has email handled by gmail so the mx for example.compoints to the google mail servers. They have a dedicated server that has postfix configured to handle mail for mailinglists.example.com. Mailman is set to use mailinglists.example.com The problem I am having is mail from mailman is not making it to u...@example.com. Is this a mailman issue or a postfix issue? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps
Cameron Smith wrote: The problem I am having is mail from mailman is not making it to u...@example.com. Is this a mailman issue or a postfix issue? What does the Postfix log say? -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps
Thanks Julio! On an existing mailman list is there a way to see what those aliases should be? Cameron On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Julio Calvo jca...@dirinfo.unt.edu.arwrote: Is the aliases file correctly setup? When you create a list, mailman shows a list of aliases you have to include in your aliases file and then you have to run newaliases to put it in effect. Take a watch to you log file. - Mensaje original - De: Cameron Smith velvetpi...@gmail.com Para: mailman-users@python.org Enviados: Lunes, 28 de Junio 2010 13:03:02 Asunto: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps I am stuck trying to help a friend configure their setup. Their main domain has email handled by gmail so the mx for example.compoints to the google mail servers. They have a dedicated server that has postfix configured to handle mail for mailinglists.example.com. Mailman is set to use mailinglists.example.com The problem I am having is mail from mailman is not making it to u...@example.com. Is this a mailman issue or a postfix issue? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jhc%40unt.edu.ar -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps
Cameron Smith wrote: On an existing mailman list is there a way to see what those aliases should be? If you have the default MTA = 'Manual' setting Mailman's bin/genaliases will print a list of aliases. for all lists. OTOH if you have MailMan/Postfix integration configures with MTA = 'Postfix' the aliases should be automatically maintained in Mailman's data/aliases*. However, you should be aware that aliases only affect delivery of incoming mail to Mailman. They have nothing to do with outgoing mail from Mailman. See both http://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-integration.html and http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps
Is u...@example.com actually a gmail address? You may want to read this: http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9 In short: if u...@gmail.com sends a message to the list, then u...@gmail.com won't get a copy. It's a gmail feature that complicates things when debugging using gmail addresses. Cameron Smith wrote: I am stuck trying to help a friend configure their setup. Their main domain has email handled by gmail so the mx for example.compoints to the google mail servers. They have a dedicated server that has postfix configured to handle mail for mailinglists.example.com. Mailman is set to use mailinglists.example.com The problem I am having is mail from mailman is not making it to u...@example.com. Is this a mailman issue or a postfix issue? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/terri%40zone12.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps
Hi All-- On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Terri Oda te...@zone12.com wrote: Is u...@example.com actually a gmail address? You may want to read this: http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9 In short: if u...@gmail.com sends a message to the list, then u...@gmail.com won't get a copy. It's a gmail feature that complicates things when debugging using gmail addresses. Not quite. The message is there, and is listed in the thread, but you'd never know it because gmail doesn't consider it a new message. I don't quite consider it a bug, but it's certainly a misfeature. ;-) It's definitely better behaviour than Outlook, which delivers a copy to you for every single time your address appears in the To: list. ... Metta, Ivan -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laningham.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps
Ivan Van Laningham wrote: Not quite. The message is there, and is listed in the thread, but you'd never know it because gmail doesn't consider it a new message. This is what Google says, but my tests show it is not true. Are you sure you're just not seeing the original message in the Sent folder? My tests show that if an incoming message to gmail has the same message-id as a message already in your Sent folder, the incoming message is just discarded. For example, if the list adds a footer to your post, do you ever see the footer in any message you can find in Gmail. I don't. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps
Yup. I'm looking at the expanded version of this thread, and the message before your reply and after Terri Oda's is mine. It appears as Ivan Van Laningham to mailman-users, with my name in yellow (arbitrary color: yours is red, Terri's is purple, Cameron's is green). Now, gmail may, behind the scenes, insert a link to the sent folder, but from a user's perspective it looks exactly like any other message in the thread, except that to the left of my name is a very small (i.e., 8x8 pixels) light grey round icon with a white x in it. I don't want to push it in case it tells gmail Delete the entire thread this is associated with. ;-) Metta, Ivan On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Ivan Van Laningham wrote: Not quite. The message is there, and is listed in the thread, but you'd never know it because gmail doesn't consider it a new message. This is what Google says, but my tests show it is not true. Are you sure you're just not seeing the original message in the Sent folder? My tests show that if an incoming message to gmail has the same message-id as a message already in your Sent folder, the incoming message is just discarded. For example, if the list adds a footer to your post, do you ever see the footer in any message you can find in Gmail. I don't. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laningham.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps
Ivan Van Laningham wrote: Yup. I'm looking at the expanded version of this thread, and the message before your reply and after Terri Oda's is mine. It appears as Ivan Van Laningham to mailman-users, with my name in yellow (arbitrary color: yours is red, Terri's is purple, Cameron's is green). Now, gmail may, behind the scenes, insert a link to the sent folder, but from a user's perspective it looks exactly like any other message in the thread, except that to the left of my name is a very small (i.e., 8x8 pixels) light grey round icon with a white x in it. I don't want to push it in case it tells gmail Delete the entire thread this is associated with. And when you look at one of the (now two) posts from you in that thread, do you see the mailman-users list footer that you see if you look at Terri's post? These would be there if the message you are seeing came from the list, but I suspect they are not and the messages you see are actually those in your Sent folder. This is not important for many purposes, but it does mean that you can't actually tell if you received a copy of your post from the list. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps
Ivan Van Laningham writes: Now, gmail may, behind the scenes, insert a link to the sent folder, but from a user's perspective it looks exactly like any other message in the thread, except that to the left of my name is a very small (i.e., 8x8 pixels) light grey round icon with a white x in it. I don't want to push it in case it tells gmail Delete the entire thread this is associated with. ;-) Don't mess with Google. That button might delete YOU from all Google indicies!wink -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps
You are correct, Mark: I do _not_ see the footer for the list on my posts. So when I look at a thread that I've replied to, gmail only makes it LOOK like it comes from the list. Metta, Ivan On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Ivan Van Laningham wrote: Yup. I'm looking at the expanded version of this thread, and the message before your reply and after Terri Oda's is mine. It appears as Ivan Van Laningham to mailman-users, with my name in yellow (arbitrary color: yours is red, Terri's is purple, Cameron's is green). Now, gmail may, behind the scenes, insert a link to the sent folder, but from a user's perspective it looks exactly like any other message in the thread, except that to the left of my name is a very small (i.e., 8x8 pixels) light grey round icon with a white x in it. I don't want to push it in case it tells gmail Delete the entire thread this is associated with. And when you look at one of the (now two) posts from you in that thread, do you see the mailman-users list footer that you see if you look at Terri's post? These would be there if the message you are seeing came from the list, but I suspect they are not and the messages you see are actually those in your Sent folder. This is not important for many purposes, but it does mean that you can't actually tell if you received a copy of your post from the list. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laningham.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Postfix and Google Apps
Hi Kirth, You can set up GApps to route incoming mail to your machine. e.g. register domain.tld to GApps, lists.domain.tld to your mailman box, and set up GApps to route inbound messages to lists.domain.tld, rewriting the envelope on the way. The route settings allow you to choose to route only adresses that (do|don't) correspond to a local account on the GApps side. So you can keep u...@domain.tld on the google servers, and route all unknown-* to your lists box. That's the theory anyway. I haven't taken the time to actually set things up, but I will probably soon. Keep us posted if you keep a log of your experiments. -- Fil -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman / Postfix and Google Apps
So I have a domain with email hosted with google apps. I have a mailman server setup here in the office and I am able to send emails, like when users subscribe, etc. What do I need to configure to get mailman to read emails from my google apps. Do I need to create a user on my google domain and then use fetchmail to retrieve emails from that mailbox. If so, would anyone be kind enough to point me to some documentation that outlines the tasks needed to accomplish what I outlined above? Thanks Kirth -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
