Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > Indeed. It would be great if you could suppress the direct CC, It's not that hard if done in the MUA. My problem is that Uday keeps fiddling with the relevant functions in VM and I get merge conflicts which aren't always trivial to solve. ;-)

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-06 Thread Barry S. Finkel
In cases like this, I suggest that the user check the list's archive. Only if the list has an archive. --Barry Finkel -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: h

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 06, 2013, at 09:51 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: >> I believe that according to RFC 5322 (and predecessors) Mailman SHOULD >> add a Resent-Message-ID to indicate that it handled the message, but I >> doubt this would change the duplicate-suppression behavior of Gmail >> and MS Exchange. This

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 06, 2013, at 09:05 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >For lists hosted by the same Mailman, Mailman 3 might be able to >handle this by adding *both* List-Ids to the header, and only adding >the (other) RFC 2369 headers for the list(s) the user is subscribed >to. Of course this requires person

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-06 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Stephen J. Turnbull : > Note that the subject is incorrect. Mailman is not reusing the > Message-ID, it is refusing to alter it which is correct behavior > according to RFC 5322 (Message-ID is an originator field). > > I believe that according to RFC 5322 (and predecessors) Mailman SHOULD > ad

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-06 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Mark Sapiro : > On 11/05/2013 07:14 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > > > > Strictly speaking, all that womand wanted was to know if the message > > passed both mailing lists... So she should have more faith :) > > > In cases like this, I suggest that the user check the list's archive. Good point

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-06 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Stephen J. Turnbull : > Ralf Hildebrandt writes: > > > Strictly speaking, all that womand wanted was to know if the message > > passed both mailing lists... So she should have more faith :) > > For lists hosted by the same Mailman, Mailman 3 might be able to In my case its two lists on the s

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Richard Damon writes: > It is not clear to me that mailman should add the Resent-* headers. The > RFC states: No, it's not clear to me, either. I do have a very strong opinion in favor, to the extent that I would make it an option defaulting to ON. > "Resent fields SHOULD be added to any mes

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-05 Thread Richard Damon
On 11/5/13, 6:59 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Note that the subject is incorrect. Mailman is not reusing the > Message-ID, it is refusing to alter it which is correct behavior > according to RFC 5322 (Message-ID is an originator field). > > I believe that according to RFC 5322 (and predecessor

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Ralf Hildebrandt writes: > Strictly speaking, all that womand wanted was to know if the message > passed both mailing lists... So she should have more faith :) For lists hosted by the same Mailman, Mailman 3 might be able to handle this by adding *both* List-Ids to the header, and only adding t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Note that the subject is incorrect. Mailman is not reusing the Message-ID, it is refusing to alter it which is correct behavior according to RFC 5322 (Message-ID is an originator field). I believe that according to RFC 5322 (and predecessors) Mailman SHOULD add a Resent-Message-ID to indicate tha

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-05 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 11/05/2013 07:14 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > > Strictly speaking, all that womand wanted was to know if the message > passed both mailing lists... So she should have more faith :) In cases like this, I suggest that the user check the list's archive. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is f

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-05 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Barry Warsaw : > On Nov 05, 2013, at 02:46 PM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > > >There's not way of turning this off on Exchange > > Sounds like the same bit of "helpfulness" that Gmail performs. > > http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9 > > It's a tough problem, but I think Mailman's retention of the origi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 05, 2013, at 02:46 PM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: >There's not way of turning this off on Exchange Sounds like the same bit of "helpfulness" that Gmail performs. http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9 It's a tough problem, but I think Mailman's retention of the original Message-Ids is the right-er app

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-05 Thread Joseph Brennan
--On November 5, 2013 10:25:20 AM +0100 Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Who's to blame? Mailman for re-using the message-id? Exchange for dropping the second mail on the floor? The messages are duplicates, so they should have the same Message-ID. Whether to suppress delivery of duplicates is t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-05 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Richard Damon : > This is really a tough problem. Presumably, since mailman doesn't > significantly alter the message (which is one reason it is allowed to > maintain the message-id) it should really matter that the recipient only > gets one copy of the message, or which one. Yes, only the Subj

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-05 Thread Richard Damon
On 11/5/13, 4:25 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > Hi! > > Mailman re-uses the message-id of the original email. In our case an > exchange user is recipient of two mailing-lists. Both mails are > adressed in the original message, both lists distribute the list, two > emails having the same message-id a

[Mailman-Users] Mailman reusing message-id, leads to duplicate message suppression

2013-11-05 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
Hi! Mailman re-uses the message-id of the original email. In our case an exchange user is recipient of two mailing-lists. Both mails are adressed in the original message, both lists distribute the list, two emails having the same message-id arrive at the Exchange server, which seems to discard the