Re: [Mailman-Users] Message may contain ... administrivia?

[Steve Matzura]

Guilty as charged. On several counts. Oy!

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 08:56:57 +0200, you wrote:

>In a message of Thu, 01 Oct 2015 01:35:02 -0400, Steve Matzura writes:
>>Well now I've seen everything. Why would Mailman send a return message
>>to a subscriber to a mailing list that says their message couldn't be
>>posted to the mailing list because "message may contain
>>administrivia".
>
>If your subject contains just one of these words, or this word
>followed by a reasonable number of arguments, or if the content
>of your message is again, one line, one of these words, or one of them
>followed by a reasonable number of arguments, then your message can
>be held.
>
>ADMINDATA = {
># admin keyword: (minimum #args, maximum #args)
>'confirm': (1, 1),
>'help':(0, 0),
>'info':(0, 0),
>'lists':   (0, 0),
>'options': (0, 0),
>'password':(2, 2),
>'remove':  (0, 0),
>'set': (3, 3),
>'subscribe':   (0, 3),
>'unsubscribe': (0, 1),
>'who': (0, 0),
>}
>
>
>You can turn this off. Under general options, look for
>(Administrivia filter) Check postings and intercept ones that seem to be 
>administrative requests?
>
>I mostly turn mine off, as I haven't found it very useful. It would be
>a good idea if your list was plagued by people trying to be sophisticated
>in using the list commands and mailing the list rather than list-request.
>This sort of thing happens to me about once every 5 years, over the
>management of a large number of lists.  It is more common for me to get
>mail on lists Subject: I don't understand this error
>
>Help 
>
>
>I am curious -- does mailman 3 have this feature?
>
>Laura
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Message may contain ... administrivia?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/30/2015 11:56 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:
> 
> I am curious -- does mailman 3 have this feature?


Yes. See
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Message may contain ... administrivia?

[Bryan Blackwell]

> On Oct 1, 2015, at 1:35 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Well now I've seen everything. Why would Mailman send a return message
> to a subscriber to a mailing list that says their message couldn't be
> posted to the mailing list because "message may contain
> administrivia"?

When e-mail lists had no web interface, subscribers would often send admin 
commands - "unsubscribe", "set digest", etc., to the actual list instead of the 
admin address.  This was pretty common when MJ lists were ported to MM.  Those 
filters are in place to catch those, in part to avoid the follow on "RTFM" 
posts to the main list.

Probably just as well to turn them off, most people use the web interface 
nowadays and have for some time.

--Bryan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Message may contain ... administrivia?

[William Bagwell]

On Thursday 01 October 2015, Bryan Blackwell wrote:
> Probably just as well to turn them off, most people use the web interface
> nowadays and have for some time.

Very long time for some of us, almost got kicked off of a mailing list about 
15 years ago when I discovered List Serve had added a web interface before 
the list owner knew. Accused me of 'hacking' :-O Same guy later moved that 
list to Mailman 2.0.6 which was how I learned of its existence.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Message may contain ... administrivia?

[Laura Creighton]

In a message of Thu, 01 Oct 2015 01:35:02 -0400, Steve Matzura writes:
>Well now I've seen everything. Why would Mailman send a return message
>to a subscriber to a mailing list that says their message couldn't be
>posted to the mailing list because "message may contain
>administrivia".

If your subject contains just one of these words, or this word
followed by a reasonable number of arguments, or if the content
of your message is again, one line, one of these words, or one of them
followed by a reasonable number of arguments, then your message can
be held.

ADMINDATA = {
# admin keyword: (minimum #args, maximum #args)
'confirm': (1, 1),
'help':(0, 0),
'info':(0, 0),
'lists':   (0, 0),
'options': (0, 0),
'password':(2, 2),
'remove':  (0, 0),
'set': (3, 3),
'subscribe':   (0, 3),
'unsubscribe': (0, 1),
'who': (0, 0),
}


You can turn this off. Under general options, look for
(Administrivia filter) Check postings and intercept ones that seem to be 
administrative requests?

I mostly turn mine off, as I haven't found it very useful. It would be
a good idea if your list was plagued by people trying to be sophisticated
in using the list commands and mailing the list rather than list-request.
This sort of thing happens to me about once every 5 years, over the
management of a large number of lists.  It is more common for me to get
mail on lists Subject: I don't understand this error

Help 


I am curious -- does mailman 3 have this feature?

Laura

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Message may contain ... administrivia?

[Laura Creighton]

In a message of Thu, 01 Oct 2015 08:56:57 +0200, Laura Creighton writes:

>management of a large number of lists.  It is more common for me to get
>mail on lists Subject: I don't understand this error
>
>Help 

Hmmm.  On further thought, I think that one would go through.
Its mail with the subject:
I don't understand Microsoft error XXX
and the content
Help

that I don't want caught, so I turn the thing off.

Laura
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[Mailman-Users] Message may contain ... administrivia?

[Steve Matzura]

Well now I've seen everything. Why would Mailman send a return message
to a subscriber to a mailing list that says their message couldn't be
posted to the mailing list because "message may contain
administrivia"?
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[Mailman-Users] Message may contain administrivia

[dhottinger]

What signifys a message as being labeled administrivia?  I dont get to  
many needing approval because of this, but I have yet to figure out  
why they are being flagged as such.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Message may contain administrivia

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What signifys a message as being labeled administrivia?  I dont get to  
many needing approval because of this, but I have yet to figure out  
why they are being flagged as such.


First, you can control whether or not messages are held for this reason
with the 'administrivia' setting on the list's general options page.

(Administrivia filter) Check postings and intercept ones that seem to
be administrative requests?

If administrivia is set to Yes, then a post will be held if it looks
like something that should have been sent to the -request address.

The test is not too sophisticated. It misses many 'get me off this
list' type posts. A message is judged administrivia if the body up to
a '-- ' signature line consists of a single word from the list of
valid email commands or if the subject or one of the first few lines
of the body begins with a valid email command word followed by the
correct number of arguments (additional white space separated words).

The following is a list of command words and the minimum and maximum
number of arguments for each.

ADMINDATA = {
# admin keyword: (minimum #args, maximum #args)
'confirm': (1, 1),
'help':(0, 0),
'info':(0, 0),
'lists':   (0, 0),
'options': (0, 0),
'password':(2, 2),
'remove':  (0, 0),
'set': (3, 3),
'subscribe':   (0, 3),
'unsubscribe': (0, 1),
'who': (0, 0),
}


So if the subject of a message or one of the first few body lines has
unsubscribe as it's first word followed by 0 or 1 more words as in

 unsubscribe
or
 unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or
 Unsubscribe me!

it is administrivia, but not if it has

 unsubscribe me from this list.

In my experience, this catches messages from people who know what they
are doing and inadvertently send to the list instead of list-request,
but it catches few if any of the messages from clueless people who are
trying to get off the list or whatever by mailing to the list.

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