[Mailman-Users] Questions About "An embedded message was scrubbed..."

[Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS]

Apologies if this is too simple for this list -- I have tried looking 
through the online documentation and even this list's archive...


SIMPLE VERSION OF QUESTION:
I'm trying to find out how to stop a list from scrubbing embedded messages.

Does it have something to do with content filtering?  ( 
https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/docs/filtering.html 
)



BACKGROUND:
I have GNU Mailman List #1 that is an announcements only list.  It 
receives multiple emails of multiple rss feeds from blogtrottr.com (an 
RSS feed to email service), collects them, then sends them all out as a 
daily digest.  So essentially it is a GNU Mailman digest of multiple 
Blogtrottr RSS feed digests.


**When List #1 is sent to an individual email address it works fine.**

When sent to a GNU Mailman List #2:
a) The email digest of List #1 NEVER gets emailed to List #2 members
b) The email digest of List #1 DOES appear in the archive of List #2 as 
having been sent.
c) In the archive of List #2 -- for each email in the List #1 digest -- 
the message "An embedded message was scrubbed..." appears.


It looks like this in the List #2 archive:

--START MESSAGE--
.
-- next part --
**THIS IS AN ANNOUNCEMENTS-ONLY LIST.**

RSS Feed articles from ACA Counseling Today, APA PsychPort, Healthcare 
Info Security, Health IT Security, NASW Social Workers Speak, NYT 
Psychology & Psychologists, NYU Information for Practice, Scientific 
American Mind & Body, Social Psychology Psychology Headlines, & The New 
Social Worker Careers Magazine.

__
-- next part --
Today's Topics:

   1. Your Daily digest for NYT Psychology & Psychologists Daily
  Digest (Article Digests for Psychology & Social Work)
   2. Your Daily digest for Social Psychology Psychology Headlines
  Daily Digest (Article Digests for Psychology & Social Work)
   3. Confirm your unsubscription from 'NYT > Psychology and
  Psychologists' (Article Digests for Psychology & Social Work)
   4. Your Daily digest for NASW Social Workers Speak Daily Digest
  (Article Digests for Psychology & Social Work)
   5. Your Daily digest for NYU Information for Practice Daily
  Digest (Article Digests for Psychology & Social Work)
-- next part --
An embedded message was scrubbed...
From: Article Digests for Psychology & Social Work
 
Subject: Your Daily digest for NYT Psychology & Psychologists Daily Digest
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 20:08:07 +
Size: 3372
URL: 


-- next part --
An embedded message was scrubbed...
From: Article Digests for Psychology & Social Work
 
Subject: Your Daily digest for Social Psychology Psychology Headlines 
Daily Digest

Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 20:09:05 +
Size: 10905
URL: 


-- next part --
An embedded message was scrubbed...
From: Article Digests for Psychology & Social Work
 
Subject: Confirm your unsubscription from 'NYT > Psychology and 
Psychologists'

Date: Thu,  3 Aug 2023 20:20:56 + (UTC)
Size: 965
URL: 


-- next part --
An embedded message was scrubbed...
From: Article Digests for Psychology & Social Work
 
Subject: Your Daily digest for NASW Social Workers Speak Daily Digest
Date: Fri,  4 Aug 2023 14:29:54 + (UTC)
Size: 18553
URL: 


-- next part --
An embedded message was scrubbed...
From: Article Digests for Psychology & Social Work
 
Subject: Your Daily digest for NYU Information for Practice Daily Digest
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 19:51:59 +
Size: 95307
URL: 


-- next part --
-
Replies to this list not permitted -- announcement-only list.

UNSUBSCRIBE: http://unsubscribe-article-digests.clinicians-exchange.org

SUBSCRIBE: http://subscribe-article-digests.clinicians-exchange.org

READ ONLINE: http://read-the-rss-mega-archive.clinicians-exchange.org

Contact article-digests-owner at clinicians-exchange.org with questions 
or concerns.


--STOP MESSAGE--

EXPLANATION OF WHY:
While I will ultimately have people sign-up directly for List #1 (while 
will work fine), I would like them to be able to see what it will be 
like (on List #2 for a week or so).  If I h

Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions About Uncaught Bounce Notifications

[Richard Damon]

On 7/17/19 10:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 7/17/19 5:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>
>> Here is a sample of one semi-regular bounce I get from a list I manage
>> (I haved X'ed out the personal information included in the bounce). I
>> suspect that one issue is that this is a bounce message, not a server
>> refusing (thus they are probably back-scattering), and the bounce
>> doesn't give the address that the message was sent to (though it is in
>> the Delivered-To: header of the message that bounced that I trimmed).
>>
>> Also, being a 'I think your a spammer' as opposed to 'That address isn't
>> valid' message says I am not sure one really wants to count it as a bounce.
>
> Yes, that is tricky, but assuming we do, I have some questions.
>
>
> ...
>> Subject: failure notice
>> In-Reply-To: 
>> References: 
>
> These are Mailman generated Message-IDs indicating the message is some
> kind of Mailman generated notice and not a list post. Are they all like
> that or are some of them list posts?

The user is subscribed to the digest, and that is what was seen as spam.
Digests of course have mailman generated Message-IDs.

>
>
>> Hi. This is the bounce program. I'm afraid I've been instructed to return
>> your message. It was refused by the recipient's junk mail controls.
>>
>> To reach XXX, please telephone +1 888 XXX.
>>
>> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>>
> I could recognize this in simplematch
> 
> with a start regexp of
>
> ^.*This is the bounce program. I'm afraid I've been instructed
>
> and an address regexp of
>
> ^Delivered-To:\s*(?P[^\s@]+@[^\s@]+)\s*$')
>
One issue is that this is a shared instance of mailman (mailman is
installed on *.pairlist.net) so I can't get to any of the files to make
a change to try this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions About Uncaught Bounce Notifications

[Mark Sapiro]

On 7/17/19 5:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

> Here is a sample of one semi-regular bounce I get from a list I manage
> (I haved X'ed out the personal information included in the bounce). I
> suspect that one issue is that this is a bounce message, not a server
> refusing (thus they are probably back-scattering), and the bounce
> doesn't give the address that the message was sent to (though it is in
> the Delivered-To: header of the message that bounced that I trimmed).
> 
> Also, being a 'I think your a spammer' as opposed to 'That address isn't
> valid' message says I am not sure one really wants to count it as a bounce.


Yes, that is tricky, but assuming we do, I have some questions.


...
> Subject: failure notice
> In-Reply-To: 
> References: 


These are Mailman generated Message-IDs indicating the message is some
kind of Mailman generated notice and not a list post. Are they all like
that or are some of them list posts?


> Hi. This is the bounce program. I'm afraid I've been instructed to return
> your message. It was refused by the recipient's junk mail controls.
> 
> To reach XXX, please telephone +1 888 XXX.
> 
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
> 

I could recognize this in simplematch

with a start regexp of

^.*This is the bounce program. I'm afraid I've been instructed

and an address regexp of

^Delivered-To:\s*(?P[^\s@]+@[^\s@]+)\s*$')

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions About Uncaught Bounce Notifications

[Richard Damon]

On 7/17/19 8:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 7/17/19 4:23 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>> I run an installation that has over 300 lists.  Normally, for years, I
>> received around 300 uncaught bounce notifications a day.  In the past
>> couple of months, it has dramatically increased to 3000 to 4000 a day. 
>> Some questions:  what causes them? Can they be reduced? Do they hurt
>> anything? Toes the increase mean a problem somewhere else?
>
> Most likely (you can tell by looking at them) they are spam sent to the
> listname-bounces address. They might also be out of office type
> responses sent by non compliant (RFC 5230) vacation programs or replies
> to list mail erroneously sent to the envelope sender.
>
> What causes them is any message sent to a listname-bounces address that
> is not recognized as a delivery status notification by Mailman's bounce
> processing. At this point actual unrecognized DSNs are very rare, but if
> the message looks like a DSN and is unrecognized, you can post it here,
> and we will try to update the recognizers to recognize it.
>
> You can set a list's Bounce processing ->
> bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner to No to eliminate the notices
> from that list, but then you will miss any real bounces which are
> unrecognized if there are any.
>
> The only harm is the extra mail to deal with.
>
> The increase is probably due to an increase in spam possibly due to
> various listname-bounces addresses getting on more spammers lists.
>
Here is a sample of one semi-regular bounce I get from a list I manage
(I haved X'ed out the personal information included in the bounce). I
suspect that one issue is that this is a bounce message, not a server
refusing (thus they are probably back-scattering), and the bounce
doesn't give the address that the message was sent to (though it is in
the Delivered-To: header of the message that bounced that I trimmed).

Also, being a 'I think your a spammer' as opposed to 'That address isn't
valid' message says I am not sure one really wants to count it as a bounce.

(pair.com/pairlist.net is my service provider, arlingtonlist.org is the
domain for the mailing list, osiris.978.org is their domain)


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Subject: failure notice
In-Reply-To: 
References: 

Hi. This is the bounce program. I'm afraid I've been instructed to return
your message. It was refused by the recipient's junk mail controls.

To reach XXX, please telephone +1 888 XXX.

--- Below this line is a copy of the message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions About Uncaught Bounce Notifications

[Mark Sapiro]

On 7/17/19 4:23 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> I run an installation that has over 300 lists.  Normally, for years, I
> received around 300 uncaught bounce notifications a day.  In the past
> couple of months, it has dramatically increased to 3000 to 4000 a day. 
> Some questions:  what causes them? Can they be reduced? Do they hurt
> anything? Toes the increase mean a problem somewhere else?


Most likely (you can tell by looking at them) they are spam sent to the
listname-bounces address. They might also be out of office type
responses sent by non compliant (RFC 5230) vacation programs or replies
to list mail erroneously sent to the envelope sender.

What causes them is any message sent to a listname-bounces address that
is not recognized as a delivery status notification by Mailman's bounce
processing. At this point actual unrecognized DSNs are very rare, but if
the message looks like a DSN and is unrecognized, you can post it here,
and we will try to update the recognizers to recognize it.

You can set a list's Bounce processing ->
bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner to No to eliminate the notices
from that list, but then you will miss any real bounces which are
unrecognized if there are any.

The only harm is the extra mail to deal with.

The increase is probably due to an increase in spam possibly due to
various listname-bounces addresses getting on more spammers lists.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions About Uncaught Bounce Notifications

[David Andrews]

I run an installation that has over 300 lists.  Normally, for years, 
I received around 300 uncaught bounce notifications a day.  In the 
past couple of months, it has dramatically increased to 3000 to 4000 
a day.  Some questions:  what causes them? Can they be reduced? Do 
they hurt anything? Toes the increase mean a problem somewhere else?


Thanks!

Dave

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[Mailman-Users] Questions about Content Filtering

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Nancy writes:

 > If :
 > multipart/mixed
 > multipart/alternative
 > were removed would the listkeepers, as owners of the group receive
 > bounces from everyone who tried to send formatted text?

Whether the owners would receive notification depends on the
filter_action (last option on that screen), which can be Discard
(silently), Reject (and return to sender), Forward to List Owner, or
Preserve (save in a special place for later use by list owners).  Only
in the "Forward" case will you get a notification.

As for "formatted text", that depends on what else is in
pass_mime_types.  If only text/plain is there, there is no way for
HTML formatting to get in.  However, it won't stop any of the problems
you list below from occurring.

 > If these two lines were changed from "Yes" to "No" what would happen?
 > 
 > Should Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part
 > content?  No Yes
 > 
 > Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This
 > conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. No
 > Yes

If you remove the multipart lines from pass_mime_types, these two
lines have no effect.

If you keep them, the effect depends on the sender, but normally the
message will be converted to plain text.  However, plain text may
include "unusual" characters like those in your samples below.

I think you should try the following:

1.  add text/html to pass_mime_types.  Ie, it should read

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain
text/html

2.  set collapse/alternatives and convert_html_to_plaintext to no.

Of course this means that HTML formatted messages will pass through,
but I wouldn't be surprised if the "mail programs for the rest of us"
handle HTML better than they do plain text.

BTW, I don't think this specifically has anything to do with tablets
or cellphones.  Similar problems occur with email programs for PCs.

 > Examples of our current problem:

As far as I can tell your examples were corrupted in transmission (and
then corrupted again when Robert quoted it -- it appears differently
in his message.

For us to learn more about the problem, we need to see the problem
messages, including all header and formatting material, preferably in
two versions, both as received by the Mailman server, and as resent to
list members by Mailman.  Since message content is the problem, they
should be verbatim, no editing at all, just resend the whole thing.

That's up to you, of course, and you should consider the privacy of
your members.  If you can get those copies, and you feel the content
is sufficiently un-sensitive that the users wouldn't mind (or better,
you can get permission) feel free to send them directly to me
 and Mark Sapiro  (this list is
archived and available to the public, so your users' addresses and
names would be Googleable -- best to avoid that). 

Regards,
Steve
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about Content Filtering

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:34:17 -0300 Nancy  wrote:

> 
> Hi folks, I am not very technically inclined and I'm the co- listkeeper for a 
> group. We have had some problems lately and we were wondering
> what would happen if we made changes to the Content Filtering section of the 
> Admin page?
> 
> If :
> multipart/mixed
> multipart/alternative
> were removed would the listkeepers, as owners of the group receive bounces 
> from everyone who tried to send formatted text?
> 
> If these two lines were changed from "Yes" to "No" what would happen?
> 
> Should Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part content?  No 
> Yes 
> X
> 
> Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens 
> after MIME attachments have been stripped. No Yes X
> 

The *best* option would be to:

1) reject (or moderate) 'pure' HTML messages. 
2) Strip text/HTML parts off.
   Most (all?) *decent* E-Mail clients send both a text/plain and a text/HTML
   version of the message (multipart/alternative). Generally, the text/plain
   is 'sufficient' -- it contains the *text* of the message, without the
   (unnecessary!) formatting (eg fonts, colors, etc.). *Some* mailers deal
   with 'bold' using old-school ASCII tricks (like *this is bold*).
   
Unfortunately, many mailers / computers (including cell phones and tablets), 
use non-ASCII character sets (not that they need them really, esp. for 
*American* English), so lots of 'common' characters like quote marks, 
aposthophes, and some other puncuation characters show up as UTF-8 characters 
that don't display well with 7-bit ASCII mailer programs.



> Examples of our current problem:
> 
> 
> 1.This    at the end of every sentence & inserted in several places in 
> sentences:
> Louise can't get email.  
> 
> 2. One continuous paragraph arrives when the sender had made appropriate 
> paragraphs

Unfortunately, many modern E-Mail clients no longer insert line breaks and 
expect the *receiving* E-Mail client to 'wrap' lines, depending on the display 
width.  There is not much you can do about this, other than rant at the E-Mail 
client authors, who are not going to listen to you.

> 
> 3. Complete gibberish:
> MLN€13:46 UTC−4
> \Ý[˜]Z\™NˆÚ\œšYHÛۙH\Ú\œšy...@arthlink.net>
> ؚ™]ˆ°ê\ˆÙ[ÛÛYHÈԓÕΈ[\ܘ\žHMentor hi from Jessi first nine days
> > 
> > Hi Sherrie
> € Day 10 :)
> ‚F†沭÷Rf÷"6†V6¶­ær­ââÆ÷fRF†Rw&÷W. Reading the threads in my 
> inbox every day 
> 
> 
> Are these  problems caused by many people now using cell phones & tablets to 
> send email?
> 
> Thank you for your patience & any help you might provide.
> 
> Nancy
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Questions about Content Filtering

[Nancy]

Hi folks, I am not very technically inclined and I'm the co- listkeeper for a 
group. We have had some problems lately and we were wondering
what would happen if we made changes to the Content Filtering section of the 
Admin page?

If :
multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
were removed would the listkeepers, as owners of the group receive bounces from 
everyone who tried to send formatted text?

If these two lines were changed from "Yes" to "No" what would happen?

Should Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part content?  No 
Yes 
X

Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens 
after MIME attachments have been stripped. No Yes X

Examples of our current problem:


1.This    at the end of every sentence & inserted in several places in 
sentences:
Louise can't get email.  

2. One continuous paragraph arrives when the sender had made appropriate 
paragraphs

3. Complete gibberish:
MLN€13:46 UTC−4
\Ý[˜]Z\™NˆÚ\œšYHÛۙH\Ú\œšy...@arthlink.net>
ؚ™]ˆ°ê\ˆÙ[ÛÛYHÈԓÕΈ[\ܘ\žHMentor hi from Jessi first nine days
> 
> Hi Sherrie
€ Day 10 :)
‚F†æ²­÷Rf÷"6†V6¶­ær­ââÆ÷fRF†Rw&÷W. Reading the threads in my inbox every day 


Are these  problems caused by many people now using cell phones & tablets to 
send email?

Thank you for your patience & any help you might provide.

Nancy

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on Mailman list administration.

[Mark Sapiro]

On 12/19/2013 12:30 AM, Joe wrote:
> 
> On December 14, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>>
>> You could create a script on your work station to issue 'wget' commands
>> to do the subscribes. See the FAQ at  and
>> the post at
>> .
>>
>> The script could be something like
>>
>> #!/bin/sh
>> for list in listname1 listname2 listname3 listname4 listname5; do
>> wget -O - http://[domain.name]/mailman/admin/$list/members/add\
>> ?subscribees="$1"\
>> &adminpw=[admin_password]\
>> &send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0\
>> &send_notifications_to_list_owner=0
>> done
>>
>> If this were saved in a file named say sub5 and given execute
>> permission, you could then in a terminal window do
>>
>> /path/to/sub5 "John Doe "
>>
>> to subscribe that user to the 5 lists. See the above linked post for
>> more info on the wget command parameters.
> 
> Thank you Mark but this seems more complicated than subscribing them one list 
> at a time.


It's more complicated to set up, but once you set up and save the
script, it's only a single command to subscribe one person to all 5 lists.


>> Visit the roster at > or via the Visit Subscriber List button on the list's listinfo page.
> 
> The link above is broken. My browser shows a blank page with a message 
> stating the address can't be found or does not exist.


Did you substitute your host name and list name for host.name and list_name.

Also, in any case, you can go to the roster from the list's listinfo page.

But I realized later that this roster only shows addresses, not names.

See the FAQ at  for other methods.


> In regards to printing the list of subscribers, can they be listed in 
> chronological order with date (and perhaps time also) when they were 
> subscribed ?


No. Mailman does not keep that information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on Mailman list administration.

[Joe]

Hi, Mark and other members.


On December 14, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 12/14/2013 01:13 AM, Joe wrote:
>> Hi, everyone.
>> 
>> I am the admin for 5 Mailman lists residing on the same server and part of 
>> the same domain. There are tasks I have been performing with great frequency 
>> lately and have started to question if there is a simpler way to perform 
>> them.
> 
> and later added:
>> Any admin I do must be done using the browser interface available in Mailman.
> 
> 
>> These are the questions:
>> 
>> 1. I often subscribe members to the 5 lists myself. As it is now I have to 
>> subscribe the same member to each one of the 5 lists individually. In case I 
>> wish to subscribe members to all 5 lists hosted is there a way to do it all 
>> at the same time ?
> 
> 
> You could create a script on your work station to issue 'wget' commands
> to do the subscribes. See the FAQ at  and
> the post at
> .
> 
> The script could be something like
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> for list in listname1 listname2 listname3 listname4 listname5; do
> wget -O - http://[domain.name]/mailman/admin/$list/members/add\
> ?subscribees="$1"\
> &adminpw=[admin_password]\
> &send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0\
> &send_notifications_to_list_owner=0
> done
> 
> If this were saved in a file named say sub5 and given execute
> permission, you could then in a terminal window do
> 
> /path/to/sub5 "John Doe "
> 
> to subscribe that user to the 5 lists. See the above linked post for
> more info on the wget command parameters.

Thank you Mark but this seems more complicated than subscribing them one list 
at a time.

>> 2. Is there a way to look at the lists hosted collectively ? For instance, 
>> in case I wish to read (on screen) or print a list with all subscribers in 
>> one or all lists is there a way to do it with all lists being displayed 
>> together on the same page or document ?
> 
> 
> You could script the answer to 3. below.
> 
> 
>> 3. Is there a way to print a list of subscribers along with their e-mail 
>> addresses ?
> 
> 
> Visit the roster at  or via the Visit Subscriber List button on the list's listinfo page.

The link above is broken. My browser shows a blank page with a message stating 
the address can't be found or does not exist.

In regards to printing the list of subscribers, can they be listed in 
chronological order with date (and perhaps time also) when they were subscribed 
?

>> 4. In the Mass Subscriptions page I enter the subscriber's e-mail address to 
>> add him or her to one list. However, I am then forced to go to the 
>> Membership List page and enter the subscribers name. Is there a way to do 
>> both at the same time ? Can the e-mail address and name be entered on the 
>> same page to simplify this process ?
> 
> 
> See the FAQ at .
> 
> 
>> 5. Is there a way to print user statistics ? For instance, can I print a 
>> list with information on users such as the number of messages they have 
>> posted in a given time period, their country of origin, date when they were 
>> subscribed to the lists, e-mail address, and others ?
> 
> 
> No.
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on Mailman list administration.

[Mark Sapiro]

On 12/14/2013 01:13 AM, Joe wrote:
> Hi, everyone.
> 
> I am the admin for 5 Mailman lists residing on the same server and part of 
> the same domain. There are tasks I have been performing with great frequency 
> lately and have started to question if there is a simpler way to perform them.

and later added:
> Any admin I do must be done using the browser interface available in Mailman.


> These are the questions:
> 
> 1. I often subscribe members to the 5 lists myself. As it is now I have to 
> subscribe the same member to each one of the 5 lists individually. In case I 
> wish to subscribe members to all 5 lists hosted is there a way to do it all 
> at the same time ?


You could create a script on your work station to issue 'wget' commands
to do the subscribes. See the FAQ at  and
the post at
.

The script could be something like

#!/bin/sh
for list in listname1 listname2 listname3 listname4 listname5; do
wget -O - http://[domain.name]/mailman/admin/$list/members/add\
?subscribees="$1"\
&adminpw=[admin_password]\
&send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0\
&send_notifications_to_list_owner=0
done

If this were saved in a file named say sub5 and given execute
permission, you could then in a terminal window do

/path/to/sub5 "John Doe "

to subscribe that user to the 5 lists. See the above linked post for
more info on the wget command parameters.


> 2. Is there a way to look at the lists hosted collectively ? For instance, in 
> case I wish to read (on screen) or print a list with all subscribers in one 
> or all lists is there a way to do it with all lists being displayed together 
> on the same page or document ?


You could script the answer to 3. below.


> 3. Is there a way to print a list of subscribers along with their e-mail 
> addresses ?


Visit the roster at  4. In the Mass Subscriptions page I enter the subscriber's e-mail address to 
> add him or her to one list. However, I am then forced to go to the Membership 
> List page and enter the subscribers name. Is there a way to do both at the 
> same time ? Can the e-mail address and name be entered on the same page to 
> simplify this process ?


See the FAQ at .


> 5. Is there a way to print user statistics ? For instance, can I print a list 
> with information on users such as the number of messages they have posted in 
> a given time period, their country of origin, date when they were subscribed 
> to the lists, e-mail address, and others ?


No.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on Mailman list administration.

[Martin Schulte]

Hi Joe!

> I am the admin for 5 Mailman lists residing on the same server and part
> of the same domain. There are tasks I have been performing with great
> frequency lately and have started to question if there is a simpler way
> to perform them.
>
> These are the questions:
>
> 1. I often subscribe members to the 5 lists myself. As it is now I have
> to subscribe the same member to each one of the 5 lists individually. In
> case I wish to subscribe members to all 5 lists hosted is there a way to
> do it all at the same time ?
>
> 2. Is there a way to look at the lists hosted collectively ? For
> instance, in case I wish to read (on screen) or print a list with all
> subscribers in one or all lists is there a way to do it with all lists
> being displayed together on the same page or document ?
>
> 3. Is there a way to print a list of subscribers along with their e-mail
> addresses ?

All these questions can be answered with "Yes!" if you have commandline 
access to the server and the lists thereon, then (propably) a "ssh server" 
and "list_members " and friends will be your friends ;)

> 4. In the Mass Subscriptions page I enter the subscriber's e-mail address
> to add him or her to one list. However, I am then forced to go to the
> Membership List page and enter the subscribers name. Is there a way to do
> both at the same time ? Can the e-mail address and name be entered on the
> same page to simplify this process ?

I think it works to enter lines like
"Joe" 
on the mass subscription page.

> 5. Is there a way to print user statistics ? For instance, can I print a
> list with information on users such as the number of messages they have
> posted in a given time period, their country of origin, date when they
> were subscribed to the lists, e-mail address, and others ?

Will probably not be that easy but with shell access it might be worth 
thinking more about it.

Greetings,

Martin
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on Mailman list administration.

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Richard Damon writes:
 > On 12/14/13, 5:23 AM, Joe wrote:
 > > One more question I forgot to ask on my original post:
 > >
 > > Is there a way to configure Mailman so that when users select
 > > 'reply' the message goes to the list and when they select 'reply
 > > all' the message goes to both the list and the poster wrote the
 > > message they are replying to ?

No, there isn't.  A "smart" MUA has a "reply to list" function that
replies to list if the List-Post header is present, and otherwise to
the poster.  Such a setting is then undesirable, because users of such
MUAs almost never want the reply-to-poster function (but can use it if
appropriate), and the reply-to-all function does the Right Thing.

On the other hand, the header that Mailman (ab)uses to control this
behavior is the Reply-To header, but it is interpreted by the
recipient's MUA.  Standard-conforming MUAs simply substitute the
Reply-To address for the poster address, because the *definition* of
the Reply-To header is "where the *author* wants replies sent, if not
to the From address."

There is no standard way for a mailing list to say where *it* wants
replies to go, and no "best current practice" to arbitrate between
list and poster when their wishes conflict.

 > Be aware that if any of your subscribers use the reply to header to
 > indicate where they want replies sent to, you will break this for them.
 > (The are links to fuller discussion on this at the option).

It also prevents *any* standard-conforming mailer from addressing
replies to the poster, period.  (Of course you can cut-and-paste, and
the mailer will *send* to the poster.  But that's way inconvenient.)

In theory Mailman could have a setting to include the poster's address
in Reply-To, but that's not what Reply-To mungers usually want (it
ends up PO-ing their subscribers who get tons of duplicates), and it's
not what Mailman does AFAIK.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on Mailman list administration.

[Richard Damon]

On 12/14/13, 5:23 AM, Joe wrote:
> One more question I forgot to ask on my original post:
>
> Is there a way to configure Mailman so that when users select 'reply' the 
> message goes to the list and when they select 'reply all' the message goes to 
> both the list and the poster wrote the message they are replying to ?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Joe.
>
>
Under general options, you can set the option

Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is /strongly/
recommended for most mailing lists:

To list.

Be aware that if any of your subscribers use the reply to header to
indicate where they want replies sent to, you will break this for them.
(The are links to fuller discussion on this at the option).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on Mailman list administration.

[Joe]

Hi, Martin.

Thank you for your help and reply.

Unfortunately I am not well trained and skilled on the use of Unix (or in my 
case Apple's version of it). Any admin I do must be done using the browser 
interface available in Mailman.

Will all the answers to my questions be dependent on command line use ?

One more question I forgot to ask on my original post:

Is there a way to configure Mailman so that when users select 'reply' the 
message goes to the list and when they select 'reply all' the message goes to 
both the list and the poster wrote the message they are replying to ?

Thank you.

Joe.


On December 14, 2013, at 1:48 AM, Martin Schulte  wrote:

> Hi Joe!
> 
>> I am the admin for 5 Mailman lists residing on the same server and part
>> of the same domain. There are tasks I have been performing with great
>> frequency lately and have started to question if there is a simpler way
>> to perform them.
>> 
>> These are the questions:
>> 
>> 1. I often subscribe members to the 5 lists myself. As it is now I have
>> to subscribe the same member to each one of the 5 lists individually. In
>> case I wish to subscribe members to all 5 lists hosted is there a way to
>> do it all at the same time ?
>> 
>> 2. Is there a way to look at the lists hosted collectively ? For
>> instance, in case I wish to read (on screen) or print a list with all
>> subscribers in one or all lists is there a way to do it with all lists
>> being displayed together on the same page or document ?
>> 
>> 3. Is there a way to print a list of subscribers along with their e-mail
>> addresses ?
> 
> All these questions can be answered with "Yes!" if you have commandline 
> access to the server and the lists thereon, then (propably) a "ssh server" 
> and "list_members " and friends will be your friends ;)
> 
>> 4. In the Mass Subscriptions page I enter the subscriber's e-mail address
>> to add him or her to one list. However, I am then forced to go to the
>> Membership List page and enter the subscribers name. Is there a way to do
>> both at the same time ? Can the e-mail address and name be entered on the
>> same page to simplify this process ?
> 
> I think it works to enter lines like
> "Joe" 
> on the mass subscription page.
> 
>> 5. Is there a way to print user statistics ? For instance, can I print a
>> list with information on users such as the number of messages they have
>> posted in a given time period, their country of origin, date when they
>> were subscribed to the lists, e-mail address, and others ?
> 
> Will probably not be that easy but with shell access it might be worth 
> thinking more about it.
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Martin

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[Mailman-Users] Questions on Mailman list administration.

[Joe]

Hi, everyone.

I am the admin for 5 Mailman lists residing on the same server and part of the 
same domain. There are tasks I have been performing with great frequency lately 
and have started to question if there is a simpler way to perform them.

These are the questions:

1. I often subscribe members to the 5 lists myself. As it is now I have to 
subscribe the same member to each one of the 5 lists individually. In case I 
wish to subscribe members to all 5 lists hosted is there a way to do it all at 
the same time ?

2. Is there a way to look at the lists hosted collectively ? For instance, in 
case I wish to read (on screen) or print a list with all subscribers in one or 
all lists is there a way to do it with all lists being displayed together on 
the same page or document ?

3. Is there a way to print a list of subscribers along with their e-mail 
addresses ?

4. In the Mass Subscriptions page I enter the subscriber's e-mail address to 
add him or her to one list. However, I am then forced to go to the Membership 
List page and enter the subscribers name. Is there a way to do both at the same 
time ? Can the e-mail address and name be entered on the same page to simplify 
this process ?

5. Is there a way to print user statistics ? For instance, can I print a list 
with information on users such as the number of messages they have posted in a 
given time period, their country of origin, date when they were subscribed to 
the lists, e-mail address, and others ?

Thank you in advance.

Joe.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about current/future functionality

[Tanstaafl]

On 2011-03-13 6:07 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> I have no knowledge of how mlmmj stores it's data or what its list
> settings and subscriber settings are and how they would map to Mailman.

Ok, thanks...

Maybe some thought could be given to a migrations page on the wiki,
dealing with such issues/questions? It's not like there are all that
many different choices when it comes to mailing list managers...

Then put out a call to volunteers to provide content... if I were a
programmer, I'd definitely be willing to take this on for the
Libreoffice guys... and I may even give it a whack as a regular end
user. It seems like it would be good press for Mailman if the devs were
to provide assistance in such an endeavor.

This would obviously have to be post MM3 release, so it isn't an
immediate need...

Anyway, its just a thought...
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about current/future functionality

[Mark Sapiro]

Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>Do you or anyone else know anything about mlmmj, and how hard migrating
>the user accounts and archives would be?


I have no knowledge of how mlmmj stores it's data or what its list
settings and subscriber settings are and how they would map to Mailman.

Migrating archives is just a matter of running bin/arch with a Unix
.mbox as input, but again I have no idea how easy or difficult it
would be to get mlmmj archives as a Unix .mbox.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about current/future functionality

[Tanstaafl]

On 2011-03-10 5:32 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
>>
>> So, will MM3 have the ability to assign unique credentials
>> (username+password) to admins and moderators?

> Yes.

Thanks for all of your answers Mark, very helpful...

One last question...

The last response I got was about how difficult a migration would be and
not to hold my breath about moving to mailman even once MM3 is out...

Do you or anyone else know anything about mlmmj, and how hard migrating
the user accounts and archives would be?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about current/future functionality

[Mark Sapiro]

Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>So, will MM3 have the ability to assign unique credentials
>(username+password) to admins and moderators?


Yes.


>Is there a way to assign
>unique passwords now for different moderators?


Not without significant code modification.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about current/future functionality

[Mark Sapiro]

Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>There is currently another (this is probably the 3rd or 4th) discussion
>going on right now on the tdf-discuss list (tdf = The Document
>Foundation, which is hosting all of the libreoffice lists) about issues
>with their list infrastructure...
>
>They are currently using mlmmj, and have said there were very specific
>reasons they decided not to use mailman, namely:
>
>1. The problem with virtual hosting and lists with the same name for
>different vhosts.
>
>This is one of their biggest reasons. I know this will be properly
>addressed in MM3, but that is of course not an option now (how close it
>is, really, to release stage? Months? A year or more?).


Currently, good progress is being made on the core function and the web
UI. As yet, there is no defined migration process for current
installations. I think only Barry is qualified to give an estimate for
the time frame for beta release.


>I guess my main question is, is there a decent page I can point their
>developers to as to how to make this work? Iirc, there are two different
>ways to accomplish this, but they dismissed the idea of having 20 or 30
>multiple instances of mailman...


If they don't want multiple instances and they are really interested in
doing this, they could look at
.


>2. Multiple moderators all sharing the same password.
>
>Is it possible for each mod to have a different password? If not, isn't
>this a security issue if you decide to boot a moderator? If not, why not?


No it's not possible. See the FAQ at .

The way to "boot" a moderator is to change the moderator password and
only distribute the new password to the moderators you want. Granted
this is not truly secure - no password that is known by more than one
person is truly secure.


>3. Moderation via email is impossible or difficult.
>
>This is their second biggest reason to not use mailman. Is there a web
>page/FAQ that describes how to do this? Is it really that difficult
>(I've never used the email moderator interface).


Accepting or discarding a post by email is not or at least should not
be difficult. Rejecting a post by email is not possible. So I guess
the answer is it depends on what moderator actions you want to support.

For approving or discarding, admin_immed_notify must be Yes, and the
notice to the admin explains what to do. One issue is the instructions
about approving/discarding by mail say "If you reply to this message,
...". That instruction is in an attached message/rfc822 part, and
depending on the moderator's MUA, it may be anywhere fron trivial to
impossible to reply to the message in the message/rfc822 part, and if
you reply to the notice itself, it doesn't work.

The bottom line is you must send your reply to the LIST-request address
and it needs to have the appropriate "confirm x" subject.


>The reason this is such a big deal is they allow posts from
>non-subscribers, all of which must be moderated.
>
>Also, it would be nice to be able to add a [Moderated] tag to the
>subject if possible, and possibly even inject some bracketed text into
>the message body at the top.


This is more cumbersome. There is a patch somewhere, maybe in the
tracker, that allows editing moderated messages via the web admindb
interface, but not by email.

To edit a moderated message, what I do is edit the message from the
moderator notice, add an Approved:  header and remove any
Postfix Delivered-To: headers and "resend" that message and finally
discard the original held message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about current/future functionality

[Tanstaafl]

On 2011-03-10 6:55 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> 2. Multiple moderators all sharing the same password.
> 
> Is it possible for each mod to have a different password? If not, isn't
> this a security issue if you decide to boot a moderator? If not, why not?

Wow.. I forgot that access to the moderator pages is controlled by
password only, so having a shared password seems totally insecure to me now.

So, will MM3 have the ability to assign unique credentials
(username+password) to admins and moderators? Is there a way to assign
unique passwords now for different moderators?
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[Mailman-Users] Questions about current/future functionality

[Tanstaafl]

Hello,

There is currently another (this is probably the 3rd or 4th) discussion
going on right now on the tdf-discuss list (tdf = The Document
Foundation, which is hosting all of the libreoffice lists) about issues
with their list infrastructure...

They are currently using mlmmj, and have said there were very specific
reasons they decided not to use mailman, namely:

1. The problem with virtual hosting and lists with the same name for
different vhosts.

This is one of their biggest reasons. I know this will be properly
addressed in MM3, but that is of course not an option now (how close it
is, really, to release stage? Months? A year or more?).

I guess my main question is, is there a decent page I can point their
developers to as to how to make this work? Iirc, there are two different
ways to accomplish this, but they dismissed the idea of having 20 or 30
multiple instances of mailman...

2. Multiple moderators all sharing the same password.

Is it possible for each mod to have a different password? If not, isn't
this a security issue if you decide to boot a moderator? If not, why not?

3. Moderation via email is impossible or difficult.

This is their second biggest reason to not use mailman. Is there a web
page/FAQ that describes how to do this? Is it really that difficult
(I've never used the email moderator interface).

The reason this is such a big deal is they allow posts from
non-subscribers, all of which must be moderated.

Also, it would be nice to be able to add a [Moderated] tag to the
subject if possible, and possibly even inject some bracketed text into
the message body at the top.

Thanks for any comments/pointers...

Charles
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[Mailman-Users] Questions about Mailman set-up and configuration.

[JRC Groups]

Hello, all.


I am setting up a few mailing lists in Mailman and have some questions. The
following is a post found in one of Apple's discussion forums:

> The answer is yes, but I would like to warn you about using pre-release
> mailman software that Apple shipped with Server 10.6.x. The moderator
> interface on the web page is broken and subscription requests show errors to
> the user and the moderator. For more information and patches see:
>
> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2264867&tstart=0
>
> Paul
>
> P.S. Apple should be ashamed of shipping pre-release software that is
> customized, buggy and difficult for the user to upgrade. The issues with this
> version of Mailman have been known and fixed since 2/09!

Does anyone know if the latest updates for Snow Leopard Server have
addressed these problems by updating Mailman's software that is part of it ?

Also, what is the difference between creating and managing lists using Snow
Leopard Server's interface and Mailman's web interface ? Are there features
that are only available on one or the other ?

Thanks,


Joe


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on subscription page.

[Brian McCarthy]

I use a PHP page to list the lists that I have, and they then click on which 
lists they wish to subscribe to.


That form goes off and generates an email request (using PHP's mail() function) 
to the -request@ address requesting a subscription for which ever list they ask for.


The Mailman pages only come in after they get their confirmation email.

Brian

On 9/14/2010 3:59 AM, JRC Groups wrote:

Hello, everyone.


Please forgive me if my question seems rather basic to most on this list. I
am new to Mailman and am just now beginning to implement my own mail lists.

I would like to implement my own web page as part of a website I am
designing so those interested can subscribe from this page or in case this
isn't possible be redirected to another page external to my website where
they can subscribe.

Do you have any suggestions, instructions and sample designs on how to
implement this subscription page that I can use for reference ?

My idea is to establish discussion lists that will be semi-moderated and to
allow those interested to subscribe automatically so that the process
doesn't require my approval. Most lists I have joined in the past have
always made the subscription process dependent on the confirmation of an
e-mail reply from the e-mail address the subscriber provides at the time of
subscription. Is this the way Mailman handles the subscription of new
members ? How exactly is this configured ?

Thank you in advance for your responses.


Joe


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on subscription page.

[Daniel Maher]

On 09/14/2010 09:59 AM, JRC Groups wrote:


I would like to implement my own web page as part of a website I am
designing so those interested can subscribe from this page or in case this
isn't possible be redirected to another page external to my website where
they can subscribe.

Do you have any suggestions, instructions and sample designs on how to
implement this subscription page that I can use for reference ?


Mailman has a web interface for handling subscriptions.


My idea is to establish discussion lists that will be semi-moderated and to
allow those interested to subscribe automatically so that the process
doesn't require my approval. Most lists I have joined in the past have
always made the subscription process dependent on the confirmation of an
e-mail reply from the e-mail address the subscriber provides at the time of
subscription. Is this the way Mailman handles the subscription of new
members ? How exactly is this configured ?


Mailman can be configured in the way you desire.  I would strongly 
suggest reading through the documentation on the Mailman website, and 
installing Mailman locally in order to start working with the interface 
and learning about the various ways in which lists can be configured - 
this is the best way to understand the platform, its features, and its 
limitations.


http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/docs.html
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/download.html

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[Mailman-Users] Questions on subscription page.

[JRC Groups]

Hello, everyone.


Please forgive me if my question seems rather basic to most on this list. I
am new to Mailman and am just now beginning to implement my own mail lists.

I would like to implement my own web page as part of a website I am
designing so those interested can subscribe from this page or in case this
isn't possible be redirected to another page external to my website where
they can subscribe.

Do you have any suggestions, instructions and sample designs on how to
implement this subscription page that I can use for reference ?

My idea is to establish discussion lists that will be semi-moderated and to
allow those interested to subscribe automatically so that the process
doesn't require my approval. Most lists I have joined in the past have
always made the subscription process dependent on the confirmation of an
e-mail reply from the e-mail address the subscriber provides at the time of
subscription. Is this the way Mailman handles the subscription of new
members ? How exactly is this configured ?

Thank you in advance for your responses.


Joe


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Mailman FW: Irexintl Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1

[Rob MacGregor]

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 18:55, Jason Vuong Do  wrote:
> Hello there! I will be using mailman to send out weekly digests to our staff 
> globally. Is there a way to reconfigure the format to make it look more 
> readable (Please see example below)? Also, can users send emails with 
> attachments to be included in the digest? I'm assuming no, but please let me 
> know if there is a loop hole around this.

I'd be surprised if the FAQ doesn't cover it, but try using the MIME
digests instead of the plain text one.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Mailman FW: Irexintl Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1

[Jason Vuong Do]

Hello there! I will be using mailman to send out weekly digests to our staff 
globally. Is there a way to reconfigure the format to make it look more 
readable (Please see example below)? Also, can users send emails with 
attachments to be included in the digest? I'm assuming no, but please let me 
know if there is a loop hole around this.

Thanks so much for your help!


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Hey all, turns out we need to make some big changes in our cost-share planning. 
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Trying again.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

[Mark Sapiro]

On 2/9/2010 6:39 AM, Boston-McCracken, Meghan wrote:
> I am the administrator of the Maternal Newborn and Child Health
> Promotion (MNCHP) listserv.
> 
> 1.My info page says it is "temporarily disabled". How can I change
> this? 2.  A listserv member forgot her password. How can she get it? I
> thought it was through the info page?


1) Is this a Mailman list or a Listserv(r) list? If I go to
 and click the "Click4HP"
link, I see the archives of a Listserv(r) list.

However, I am able to find a Mailman listinfo page for what appears to
be your "Mnhcp - Maternal Newborn Child Health Promotion Network" list
at .

That page says nothing about "temporarily disabled". If it did, This was
apparently something done by the admins of the server at
lists.beststart.org and is something you'd have to discuss with them. It
is not anything we at mailman-users@python.org can help with.

If by chance what you really mean is you went to your options page at
 and after
logging in, there was a note at the top of the page that said your list
delivery is disabled, scroll down to "Mail delivery", select 'Enabled'
and click the "Submit My Changes" button.

2) Your list member can go directly to
 or can get
there from 
by clicking the "Unsubscribe or edit options" button. Once there, she
enters her email address in the top box and clicks the "Remind" button
at the bottom of the page to get a password reminder email.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

[Larry Stone]

On 2/9/10 7:39 AM, Boston-McCracken, Meghan at
m.boston-mccrac...@healthnexus.ca wrote:

> I am the administrator of the Maternal Newborn and Child Health Promotion
> (MNCHP) listserv.

Listserv is the trademarked name for L-Soft's mailing list management
product. It is not the same as GNU Mailman . Please do not refer to a GNU
Mailman list as a "listserv" or use "listserv" as a generic term for mailing
lists or mailing list management software.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions

[Boston-McCracken, Meghan]

I am the administrator of the Maternal Newborn and Child Health Promotion 
(MNCHP) listserv.
 
1.  My info page says it is "temporarily disabled". How can I change this?
2.  A listserv member forgot her password. How can she get it? I thought it 
was through the info page?
 
Meghan
 
Meghan Boston-McCracken, MSW, RSW 
Bilingual Information Specialist / Spécialiste bilingue d'information
Best Start Resource Centre / Meilleur départ 
Health Nexus Santé
(formerly Ontario Prevention Clearinghouse/anciennement Centre ontarien 
d'information en prévention)
Sault Ste. Marie, ON
Telephone: (705) 254-3463 / 1-800-397-9567 ext. 2345 
Fax: (705) 254-7503
m.boston-mccrac...@healthnexus.ca  
www.healthnexus.ca    www.beststart.org 
 
 
Join over 1,600 service providers that are part of the 
Maternal Newborn and Child Health Promotion Network (MNCHP) 
to share and receive up-to-date information, guidance, and strategies. 
Subscribe at http://www.beststart.org/services/information.html
 
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about Mailman

[Grant Taylor]

On 06/02/09 10:27, Julie Gray wrote:
Is there a way to link Mailman to a blog to send automatic updates? 
Or is this a service that is not offered?


Not as such.

However you could have Mailman send messages to something else that will 
do the updates for you.  A couple of options come to mind.


 1)  Add a (moderated) subscriber that is a utility account that will 
accept emails from the Mailman mailing list and extract the data and 
update your blog from that.


 2)  Configure your Mailman mailing list to gateway messages to a NNTP 
newsgroup / news server and then configure something on your blog to 
reference the said newsgroup / news server.


You might have better luck if you use things the other way around, in 
such as your blog sends messages to your Mailman mailing list and then 
have Mailman distribute the messages to your subscribers.




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about Mailman

[Adam McGreggor]

On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 02:04:51PM +0100, Adam McGreggor wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:27:37AM -0400, Julie Gray wrote:
> > Is there a way to link Mailman to a blog to send automatic updates?
> > Or is this a service that is not offered? 
> 
> Not, afaik, out of the box, however, it shouldn't be too difficult to
> whip up a curl/diff/plain-textize -> mail script, where the action of
> the script is to mail the list.

(or just pull new content from the blog's database, as the message
body, and use the blog title for the subject: line (which is what I've
got set-up in one place))

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about Mailman

[Adam McGreggor]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:27:37AM -0400, Julie Gray wrote:
> Is there a way to link Mailman to a blog to send automatic updates?
> Or is this a service that is not offered? 

Not, afaik, out of the box, however, it shouldn't be too difficult to
whip up a curl/diff/plain-textize -> mail script, where the action of
the script is to mail the list.
  
(or be lazy, and use feedburner, and an account that has posting
rights to the list).

Your blog platform may support a "notify" gizmo, in which case you
*could* use the list address as that to recieve those notifications.

> Is there an option to include a sign-up box on our website? Or must
> users go to the mailman homepage to subscribe to one of our lists? 

Yes. There's  providing an example of how
to so do that.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions about Mailman

[Julie Gray]

Hello,
 
I am working with the government of Somerville, Massachusetts in order to 
determine an appropriate email list hosting service. I have a few questions 
about the Mailman server which are not answered on your website. 
 
Is there a way to link Mailman to a blog to send automatic updates? Or is this 
a service that is not offered? 
 
Is there an option to include a sign-up box on our website? Or must users go to 
the mailman homepage to subscribe to one of our lists? 
 
I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible. This information is 
critical to our decision making process. 
 
Thank you, 
Julie Gray 
Somerstat
City of Somerville 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions About 2.1.9 to 2.1.11 Upgrade

[Mark Sapiro]

Barry Finkel wrote:

>When I upgraded my test Ubuntu system from Mailman 2.1.9 to 2.1.11
>I saw messages for each list:
>
> Updating mailing list: mailman 
> Updating the held requests database.
> - updating old private mbox file
>looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
>you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
> - updating old public mbox file
>looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
>you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
> Fixing language templates: mailman 
>
>What is updated in the "private mbox file" and the "public mbox file"?
>I need to know if I need to backup the
>
> /var/lib/mailman/archives
>
>directory before I convert.  I would prefer not to, as the archives
>are VERY large.


Over the years (pre Mailman 2.1) the mbox file has been located in
different places in the hiereachy and had different names. bin/update
(run as the final step of 'make install') is figuring out whether the
mbox is in the place where the current release expects it to be, and
if it isn't, will move it there. The 'private'

   looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
   you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me

message (admitedly not a very good message at this point) says that it
found archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox and didn't find any
of the prior (pre 2.1) files so it didn't need to do anything. The
'public' message says it didn't find an actual file (as opposed to a
symlink to a directory) at archives/public/LISTNAME and didn't need to
do anything there either.

In any case, it doesn't touch the contents of these files at all. It
just renames them.


>I assume that if something drastic goes wrong with the update, then
>the only recourse is to restore all of the Mailman directories from
>a tar backup taken just before the conversion.  I assume that just
>re-installing the Mailman 2.1.9 package (that I am currently running)
>over the 2.1.11 package will not work.  Note that these packages are
>ones I built from the SourceForge source, not the Ubuntu/Debian
>packages.  Thanks.


That's more or less correct. You can 'force' a downgrade, but it won't
undo various config.pck, etc. changes. In many cases including
downgrading from 2.1.11 to 2.1.9, the only changes would have been the
addition of a couple of list attributes that wouldn't be referenced in
2.1.9 anyway, so a downgrade would be safe, BUT "if something drastic
goes wrong with the update", there's no telling what might have been
corrupted. It's always a good idea to have a backup.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions About 2.1.9 to 2.1.11 Upgrade

[Barry Finkel]

When I upgraded my test Ubuntu system from Mailman 2.1.9 to 2.1.11
I saw messages for each list:

 Updating mailing list: mailman 
 Updating the held requests database.
 - updating old private mbox file
 looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
 you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
 - updating old public mbox file
 looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
 you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
 Fixing language templates: mailman 

What is updated in the "private mbox file" and the "public mbox file"?
I need to know if I need to backup the

 /var/lib/mailman/archives

directory before I convert.  I would prefer not to, as the archives
are VERY large.

I assume that if something drastic goes wrong with the update, then
the only recourse is to restore all of the Mailman directories from
a tar backup taken just before the conversion.  I assume that just
re-installing the Mailman 2.1.9 package (that I am currently running)
over the 2.1.11 package will not work.  Note that these packages are
ones I built from the SourceForge source, not the Ubuntu/Debian
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about the use of MailMan

[Brad Knowles]

On 3/30/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  2-Is there anything I can do so that the emails I send out are not caught  by
>  spam? I have recently added all of my email addresses to mailman and I've
>  noticed that the responses to my emails and hits to my website have
>  dramatically increased since using mailman. I'm afraid that my emails are
>  going into spam folders. Any suggestions? I'd like to continue using
>  mailman but I can't if my  emails don't go through.

Run your mail server and your Mailman instance according to best 
practices, and the world should notice.


If not, the next step might be to consider signing up for service 
with a company like Habeas or ReturnPath where they charge you money 
to certify the way you're running your mail server and with their 
certification you tend to get a higher deliverability rate.

These aren't the only players in this space, but they are two of the 
best known, and they're the only two who are "whitelisted" by default 
in current versions of SpamAssassin, which is a popular anti-spam 
tool that many sites install.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about the use of MailMan

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>I have two questions.
>1-How do I change the recipients email address to not say the email list  
>name? I'd rather it state their unique email address instead.


Set the admin Non-digest options -> personalize to Full personalization.

If you don't see the personalize setting, see
.

If this is a hosted Mailman installation, the host would have to make
the changes necessary for you to see the personalize setting.

 
>2-Is there anything I can do so that the emails I send out are not caught  by 
>spam? I have recently added all of my email addresses to mailman and I've  
>noticed that the responses to my emails and hits to my website have 
>dramatically 
> increased since using mailman. I'm afraid that my emails are going into spam 
> folders. Any suggestions? I'd like to continue using mailman but I can't if 
>my  emails don't go through.


If your responses have increased, why are you afraid your mail isn't
going through? Perhaps you meant 'decreased'?

See
,
but it probably won't be much help. Again, if this is a hosted Mailman
and if the hosting provider cares, it should be up to them to see that
the Mailman mail goes through.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions about the use of MailMan

[Handlebarcorral]

 
Hi,
 
I have two questions.
1-How do I change the recipients email address to not say the email list  
name? I'd rather it state their unique email address instead.
 
2-Is there anything I can do so that the emails I send out are not caught  by 
spam? I have recently added all of my email addresses to mailman and I've  
noticed that the responses to my emails and hits to my website have 
dramatically 
 increased since using mailman. I'm afraid that my emails are going into spam 
 folders. Any suggestions? I'd like to continue using mailman but I can't if 
my  emails don't go through.
 
Thanks,
Lori Nix




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on mail spools

[Mark Sapiro]

Melinda Gilmore wrote:

>I need to migrate from listproc to mailman.   In trying to look at some of
>the configurations.   We need to find out when an individual list may have
>rec'd mail.  Is there a individual mail log for each list like in listproc.


No.


>Or maybe I am looking at this in the wrong way.I can look in the postfix
>mail, but not by individual list.


You can always grep the log for a list address.

Mailman has logs. In particular, 'post' and 'smtp' but both these log
posts (and other messages in the case of 'smtp') as they are sent, not
received. Mailman's 'vette' log logs posts that are held, rejected or
discarded. Nothing in Mailman logs a post as it is received, and all
Mailman's logs are global, not list specific.

There is also a list attribute 'last_post_time' for each list, but
you'd have to create a script to access and display it. For an
example, see 
(mirrored at ).
Also, this is the time the post was placed in the outgoing queue for
delivery, so it doesn't include posts that are currently held or that
have been rejected or discarded.


>We would also like to be able to see
>when the last time a list has been changed.   Any ideas??


You could look at the timestamp on the lists//config.pck
file, but this may change much more frequently than what you're
looking for.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions on mail spools

[Melinda Gilmore]

I need to migrate from listproc to mailman.   In trying to look at some of
the configurations.   We need to find out when an individual list may have
rec'd mail.  Is there a individual mail log for each list like in listproc.
Or maybe I am looking at this in the wrong way.I can look in the postfix
mail, but not by individual list.   We would also like to be able to see
when the last time a list has been changed.   Any ideas??
 
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] questions related to batch creation and managementof several lists

[Mark Sapiro]

Mario Filipe wrote:
>
>Apart from the members and the name, the setup is very similar for all
>of them so I looked at the FAQ and I'm wondering if I can use the answer
> number 4.38 (quoted below) as a solution ?


Yes. Configure one list via the web. Write it's configuration with
'bin/config_list -o'. Remove any list specific stuff - mostly look at
the first 6 items. Use the rest as input to 'bin/config_list -i'.

See 'bin/config_list --help'.


>My other question is related to the way these lists are to be used:
>
>- they are to be directly addressable, meaning that anyone (not everyone
>we don't need more SPAM) can send a message to them
>
>- they are also to be used under umbrella lists and here is my problem
>because some people are in more than one of those lists and under the
>umbrella lists they are going to get multiple copies of the messages,
>right? Is there a way to prevent this?


Not with current Mailman. See

for an alternative to umbrella lists.

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[Mailman-Users] questions related to batch creation and management of several lists

[Mario Filipe]

Hi

I'm using mailman 2.1.9-4 on a Debian Sarge server.

I need to create a batch of lists for the management of each of our
institutional units (departments, services, etc.)

Apart from the members and the name, the setup is very similar for all
of them so I looked at the FAQ and I'm wondering if I can use the answer
 number 4.38 (quoted below) as a solution ?


Q: I am the site administrator and I'd like to change the configuration
of ALL existing lists. How to do that?

A: Use /usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list

Here's an example:

 1. Login your shell
 2. Create a file (/path/to/configfile) and add your configuration *)
 3. Change the configuration using this shell script:
 for i in $(/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists -b) ; do
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list -i /path/to/configfile $i ; done

If you only want to change some lists but not all, replace the

 for i in $(/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists -b)

in the above script with for example

 for i in list1 list2 list3

To check for errors before doing the changes, you can simulate your
changes using the -c flag. see:

 config_list --help



My other question is related to the way these lists are to be used:

- they are to be directly addressable, meaning that anyone (not everyone
we don't need more SPAM) can send a message to them

- they are also to be used under umbrella lists and here is my problem
because some people are in more than one of those lists and under the
umbrella lists they are going to get multiple copies of the messages,
right? Is there a way to prevent this?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding mailman tunning FAQ 6.6

[Mark Sapiro]

Xueshan Feng wrote:
>
>Mailman FAQ 6.6 mentioned the following configuration tuning for
>qrunner:
>
>|Set your qrunner proc to live longer, and extend the lock life: 
>
>|QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(10)
>|QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(15)
>|QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 300
>|Set these to 20 hours, 2 hours and 5


These are Mailman 2.0.x settings. They aren't relevant to Mailman 2.1.x.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of old stuff in the FAQ.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions regarding mailman tunning FAQ 6.6

[Xueshan Feng]

I am looking into ways to improve performance for our mailman server. It
currently serves 15,000 mailing list, and the largest list has more than
10,000 members. We are running mailman 2.1.8 with Postfix. We have load
spike at 20, and during busy hours, load average is around 10.  Messages
delays do occur but not too bad yet. I want to be more proactive to
prevent things from getting worse. 

Mailman FAQ 6.6 mentioned the following configuration tuning for
qrunner:

|Set your qrunner proc to live longer, and extend the lock life: 

|QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(10)
|QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(15)
|QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 300
|Set these to 20 hours, 2 hours and 5

I cannot find these variables used anywhere in source code, other than
mentioned in NEWS file in the mailman release.

Thanks in advance for your help,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about how moderating works

[Mark Sapiro]

Gail wrote:
>
>The way we've run the list requires that all messages must be read and
>approved by me, and at times I also need to 'add' comments to the end of a
>message.  It appears that all approvals are done on the web, rather than
>through email, is that correct?


No. Moderated messages can be approved or discarded either via the web
or via email.


>Is it hard to use an on line web approval system?  To add comments, or to
>reformat the original message in particular?  I've used one in the past that
>was nearly impossible to use and had to abandon it as it more than tripled
>the time required to do the job!


The on line approval process is simple, but editing messages to be
approved is very cumbersome at best. See
.


>Is it necessary that messages be approved in the same order they were
>received in?  


No, but approving a reply prior to the original message may affect
threading in the archives.


>Can digest be manually created via some sort of command or are all digests
>created automatically based on size or a time of day set up on the system?


Digests are normally produced once a day by a cron job and additionally
when they reach a settable size limit. You can turn off periodic
digests, and you can manually trigger a digest at any time.


>Is it possible to ban or strip all attachments completely?


Yes.


>All this may be moot if there's an option for doing the
>processing through email as I have always done in the past.


You can approve by email, and editing the 'approved' post is most
easily accomplished by email too, although it is cumbersome.


>Another 'nice to have' option would be if digests are formatted with a list
>of inclusions at the beginning, including the subject, sender's name, and
>perhaps a number for each message?

Digests come in two flavors selectable by the recipient. Either a
flattened, plain text format or MIME format with each message in its
own message/rfc822 part.

In either format, the messages are preceded by some list boiler plate
and a table of contents like the following:

Today's Topics:

   1. RE: Triple chain rings (John Mulvihill)
   2. Compact Triple (Jack Holmgren)
   3. Re: Compact Triple (Mark Sapiro)
   4. Re: Compact Triple (Dan Brekke)
   5. Re: Compact Triple (Rich Fisher)
   6. Re: question about the ham-radio support (Oren Leiman)
   7. SSR Tomorrow (James Hand)
   8. Davis Double Century & Triple Crown Stage Race (Robert Ballard)
   9. Re: SSR Tomorrow (Rich Fisher)
  10. March 11th ASSR Cancelled (John Buenfil)
  11. Re: SSR Tomorrow (John Buenfil)
  12. Re: Saturday, March 11:  TM Pace "Presto" Ride (Garcia Maria)
  13. Re: Saturday, March 11:  TM Pace "Presto" Ride (Rich Fisher)
  14. Prehaps we don't need the front wheell after all (charles nighbor)

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[Mailman-Users] Questions about how moderating works

[Gail]

Hi Folks

Please forgive me if these questions are already answered someplace in the
on line documentation, I swear I've looked, but can't find info on these
issues, and they're rather important to me.  A point toward the right place
on the site, or hopefully a quick answer would be greatly appreciated.

I moderate a hobby email list for about 6000 people from a remote location
away from the server and sponsor of the list.  I am not very technical and
my vocabulary may be a bit off too, but hopefully I'll not take up a lot of
time with silly questions.  Just think of my mistakes as comic relief! 
we're looking for alternative software to use for running this list and
after a rather difficult conversion in the past, I'm hoping to better
anticipate and deal with differences we'll find this time.

The way we've run the list requires that all messages must be read and
approved by me, and at times I also need to 'add' comments to the end of a
message.  It appears that all approvals are done on the web, rather than
through email, is that correct?

Is it hard to use an on line web approval system?  To add comments, or to
reformat the original message in particular?  I've used one in the past that
was nearly impossible to use and had to abandon it as it more than tripled
the time required to do the job!

Is it necessary that messages be approved in the same order they were
received in?  

Can digest be manually created via some sort of command or are all digests
created automatically based on size or a time of day set up on the system?

Is it possible to ban or strip all attachments completely?

I realize many of these issues raised are things people should be trained to
do before sending in a message, but its impossible to train some folks who
can barely turn on a computer to trim previous messages, make a subject line
relevant, and wrap words properly - just a few of the issues I deal with
every day.  At the same time, some questions require a simple answer which I
currently add to the end of their messages.  If I don't do that 'add' I'll
instead get 20 people answering it, so its far preferable that I answer them
at once.  I do realize messages can be 'deferred' but it would seem simpler
to jump around and approve messages in a different order without having to
defer things.  All this may be moot if there's an option for doing the
processing through email as I have always done in the past.

Another 'nice to have' option would be if digests are formatted with a list
of inclusions at the beginning, including the subject, sender's name, and
perhaps a number for each message?  I've subbed here with another address to
get digest versions, but none have arrived so perhaps Verizon's acting up
again and I should check that out.

Thank you for any info you can give me, having gone through one change that
was less than pleasant, I'm hoping to anticipate any possible issues up
front this time.

Take care
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions Regarding Bounces

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Phillips wrote:
>
>My questions pertain to the performance of the list. Should I un-subscribe 
>these bounced email addresses? Does leaving them marked as "nomail" impact 
>the performance of my list? What is the accepted practice for bounced email 
>addresses?


Set whatever you want on your list's bounce processing options page.
What is going on in your case is your bouncing addresses that are
disabled due to bounce have a grace period during which they may log
on to their options page and reenable delivery.

When the user was first disabled, she was sent the first of
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings warning notices. These will be sent
at intervals of bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days. That
many days after the last warning, if the member is still disabled due
to bounce, she will be removed from the list.

You don't need to manually remove bouncing members. Just set your
bounce parameters the way you want them.

Having members disabled due to bounce and still on the list has almost
no impact on performance. The impact is just the size of the member
list, and the largest part of the impact is probably loading and
saving the list. If you're concerned that this might be significant,
just set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to zero, and the member will
be removed as soon as his bounce score reaches bounce_score_threshold.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions Regarding Bounces

[Mark Phillips]

I have a mailing list of about 900 members. There are quite a few email 
addresses that have bounced. I noticed that mailman marked these addresses as 
"nomail", which I assume means email is not sent to these addresses.

My questions pertain to the performance of the list. Should I un-subscribe 
these bounced email addresses? Does leaving them marked as "nomail" impact 
the performance of my list? What is the accepted practice for bounced email 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions Regarding Command Line Commands

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Phillips wrote:
>
>I have seen the documentation on what the command line
>commands are, but I am not sure how to issue those
>commands from a python script.


See 

Briefly, once you have the list name, owner email and list password in
appropriate variables, and the members in a file, you can do something
like

import os
stat = os.spawnl(os.P_WAIT, 'path/to/bin/newlist', 'newlist', '-q',
 list_name, owner_email, list_password)
if stat:
print 'newlist command failed - %d' % stat
...
stat = os.spawnl(os.P_WAIT, 'path/to/bin/add_members', 'add_members',
 '-r members file', '-w y', ...)
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[Mailman-Users] Questions Regarding Command Line Commands

[Mark Phillips]

Please excuse this (potential) double post. My ISP is
blocked from posting to this list, so I am trying
again from a yahoo account. Sometimes I can get
through from my ISP, other times not. So I am trying
again! :(

I have a mysql database with names and email addresses
for our little league. 
I wrote a python scrip to pull the names and email
addresses from our 
database and put them into groups for each team in
each division. I want to 
bulk load these email addresses into mailman and
create mailing lists for 
each team in each division. I know I can do this from
the web interface, but 
I would rather do it from my python script (we have
over 90 teams!). 

I have seen the documentation on what the command line
commands are, but I am not sure how to issue those
commands from a python script.

Thank for any help you can provide!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about Mailman

[Carl Zwanzig]

Hi,

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Nelly Yusupova wrote:
> I am a newbie to mailman but I can not figure out how to 
> 1. Create an announce only list

That's a FAQ.

> 2. Automatically subscribe registrants to our lists using a script.  
> For example, when someone becomes a member of our organization, I would 
> like the script to automatically subscribe that person to the announce list:
> subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] to LISTNAME

I'm sure that's a FAQ, too.

Please check:
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

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[Mailman-Users] Questions about Mailman

[Nelly Yusupova]

Hello Everyone,

I am a newbie to mailman but I can not figure out how to 

1. Create an announce only list
2. Automatically subscribe registrants to our lists using a script.  For 
example, when someone becomes a member of our organization, I would like the 
script to automatically subscribe that person to the announce list:

subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] to LISTNAME

Thank you in advance for your help.

Sincerely,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] questions on posting an e-mail

[Mark Sapiro]

Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
>
>The question here is:
>Is it possible that the mailman machine is sitting in a University's
>Computer Science Department such that the mailman machine is
>deliberately blocked by any incoming e-mail?


There are lots of possibilities. See
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
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[Mailman-Users] questions on posting an e-mail

[Soo-Hyun Choi]

Hi,

I've just installed the mailman in my Ubuntu system and set up a
mailing list. I've gone through all the necessary steps stated in the
Mailman Documentation including Apache installation.

I have tested 'mylist' with a dummy (but working) e-mail address
whether it really works or not. I've got a confirmation message and
I've got a welcoming message thereafter. But!

If I try to post a message on that list, it doesn't appear at all. I
have disable digest option expecting to get the message right away,
but it didn't work.

The question here is:
Is it possible that the mailman machine is sitting in a University's
Computer Science Department such that the mailman machine is
deliberately blocked by any incoming e-mail?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.

[Joe Espinoza]

Mark;

Thank you so much!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.

[Mark Sapiro]

Joe Espinoza wrote:

>Mark, again a million 'Thank You's'! Regarding the Automated bounce
>processing, can I just disable this?


Yes. Just set Bounce processing->bounce_processing to No.


>If so, should an email message 'bounce' how will I be notified if I
>disable the 'automated bounce processing option? I guess in this case,
>I do want to have interaction and intervene manually.


If you do nothing else, the returned bounces will be ignored and you
won't see them. If your MTA uses aliases, you can change the alias for
the listname-bounces address to send the mail somewhere else. For
example, if there is an alias that looks like

listname-bounces: "|path_to/mail/mailman bounces listname"

you could change it to

listname-bounces: "|path_to/mail/mailman owner listname"

and all bounces will be sent to the list owner.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.

[Joe Espinoza]

Mark, again a million 'Thank You's'! Regarding the Automated bounce
processing, can I just disable this?

If so, should an email message 'bounce' how will I be notified if I
disable the 'automated bounce processing option? I guess in this case,
I do want to have interaction and intervene manually.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.

[Mark Sapiro]

Joe Espinoza wrote:
>
>- Under the membership management page, I'll set the Additional Member Task=
>s to
>  turn on the mod flag for all users. That way if anyone sends a msg
>to the list, including me...it will sit and wait in the queue until I
>release it. Which is nice, especially if I goof up and accidentally
>send it out.


Note that this is a "one time" action that turns on the mod flag for
all current subscribers. You also want to set Privacy
options...->Sender filters->default_member_moderation to Yes so that
future subscribers are moderated by default.

You also want to be sure that Privacy options...->Sender
filters->generic_nonmember_action is set to something other than
Accept - probably Discard if you don't want to confirm the existence
of the list with a rejection message.


>- Disable monthly password reminders.
>
>- Strip out the List footer that's automatically added to each message
>that's sent out.
>
>Other than what I've listed above, is their anything else that I might
>be missing?
>
>For example, since the goal here is for everyone to NOT know that they
>are on some sort of list...are their any other
>daily/monthly/occasional msgs that Mailman MIGHT send out to the list
>other than password reminders?

I think only bounce related messages. See below.

You may also want to set

OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes

in mm_cfg.py and then set Non-digest options->personalize to Full
Personalization which will cause each recipient's message to be To:
his/her address.


>Also, with this type of List and what I want to accomplish, how can
>'automatic bounce-message processing' either help or hinder my goals?

Automated bounce processing helps by ultimately removing dead addresses
from the list without your intervention. The issue in your case is
that bounce processing sends 0 or more warnings (number set by
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings) to the bouncing address before
deleting it and sends a final notification when the address is
deleted. Since an address can be bouncing for a 'temporary' reason
such as a full mailbox or a suspended account that is subsequently
reinstated, the user may receive one of these notices which will
reveal that she/he is/was on the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.

[Joe Espinoza]

Mark;

Thanks again for all of the help and patience. In regards to this list
actually being an "announcement" list...you're absolutely right and
I'm now going through the link you provided.

Here's what I now plan on doing, based on your suggestions/feedback
and the information on the link you provided;

- Create a new list.

- Under the membership management page, I'll set the Additional Member Tasks to
  turn on the mod flag for all users. That way if anyone sends a msg
to the list, including me...it will sit and wait in the queue until I
release it. Which is nice, especially if I goof up and accidentally
send it out.

- Disable monthly password reminders.

- Strip out the List footer that's automatically added to each message
that's sent out.

Other than what I've listed above, is their anything else that I might
be missing?

For example, since the goal here is for everyone to NOT know that they
are on some sort of list...are their any other
daily/monthly/occasional msgs that Mailman MIGHT send out to the list
other than password reminders?

Also, with this type of List and what I want to accomplish, how can
'automatic bounce-message processing' either help or hinder my goals?

Thanks again for all of the help!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.

[Mark Sapiro]

Joe Espinoza wrote:

>Regarding an earlier question on changing the headers;
>
>I guess something similar can be achieved by;
>
>- Changing the name of the list, to something less obvious
>
>- Enabling the 'Moderated' option for all users by default, so that
>way anyone that attempts to post to the list...will not be able to. It
>will sit in queue instead and wait for me to release it
>
>Does this sound ok? Is there a better way to achieve something like
>this? What are your thoughts?


It seems you want an "announcement" list. In that case, moderating
everyone is the way to go. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp
for more info.


>Also, can I easily "change the name of the list" from the Mailman UI
>or do I have to
>create a new one?


No. You can't change the name of a list from the Mailman web UI. If you
have sufficient access to the Mailman installation, you can change the
name of a list as follows. Note that I've never actually done this, so
there may be gotchas somewhere that I haven't thought of.

Change the name of the lists/listname directory.
Change the real_name attribute on the list's General options page to
match the new neme except perhaps for case.
Change the name of the archives/private/listname directory.
Change the name of the archives/private/listname.mbox directory.
Change the name of the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox
file.
If there are public archives change the name and target of the
archives/public/listname symlink.
Rebuild the archives with bin/arch.

It might be easer to create a new list.


>One more thing, since I'm still a big n00be on email related stuff;
>
>What are the advantages of setting up a mailing list such as this,
>instead of copying and pasting tons of email addresses in the 'bcc'
>field?
>
>I've noticed that when I have done the 'copy & paste' method, I get
>delivery failures/bounce messages, because I'm sending to way too many
>recipients. Is this one way how a mailing list provides a greater
>advantage? Just sending to one email address instead of many?

Again, it seems you're thinking of an "announcement" list since a Bcc
list doesn't work for a discussion list and a Cc list has privacy
concerns.

A big advantage of a mail list manager vs. a Bcc list is the one you
note. A properly installed and configured mail list manager interacts
with its MTA in a way that insures that the mail will be sent to all
list members even if this is thousands or tens of thousands of
recipients. A Bcc list is subject to whatever limitation you might
encounter in the number of recipients that can be specified for a
single SMTP transaction. The Bcc is also cumbersome to manage and
error prone.

Also, the mail list manager can provide other services such as
subscription management, automated bounce processing, etc.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.

[Joe Espinoza]

Regarding an earlier question on changing the headers;

I guess something similar can be achieved by;

- Changing the name of the list, to something less obvious

- Enabling the 'Moderated' option for all users by default, so that
way anyone that attempts to post to the list...will not be able to. It
will sit in queue instead and wait for me to release it

Does this sound ok? Is there a better way to achieve something like
this? What are your thoughts?

Also, can I easily "change the name of the list" from the Mailman UI
or do I have to
create a new one?

One more thing, since I'm still a big n00be on email related stuff;

What are the advantages of setting up a mailing list such as this,
instead of copying and pasting tons of email addresses in the 'bcc'
field?

I've noticed that when I have done the 'copy & paste' method, I get
delivery failures/bounce messages, because I'm sending to way too many
recipients. Is this one way how a mailing list provides a greater
advantage? Just sending to one email address instead of many?

Sincerely,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about Mass Subscriptions

[Mark Sapiro]

David Scribner wrote:
>
>The export from the old list server is in the format of:
>
>First Name Last Name  address
>
>
>Can Mailman import the list that way and associate the person's name 
>with the address?


Not exactly. You will need to edit the list to put angle brackets
around the address as

First Name Last Name 

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.044.htp
for various acceptable formats.


>Also, some of the people are Digest subscribers and the current list 
>server has them as a separate subscription list.  Is there some way 
>that I can do a Mass Subscription of those addresses and have them 
>all set to be Digest Subscribers or do I need to add them and then go 
>through the list of Subscribers and set them to Digest manually?


Do the mass subscribe in two steps. Go to the Digest options page and
set "Which delivery mode is the default for new users?"
(digest_is_default) to Digest and then mass subscribe the digest list.
Then set "Which delivery mode is the default for new users?" to
Regular and mass subscribe the non-digest list.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions about Mass Subscriptions

[David Scribner]

I'm in the process of moving lists over to my Mailman server from 
another list server.  I can get an exported list of subscribers from 
that server but I need to know the format for the file for use with a 
Mass Subscription to the Mailman Server.

The export from the old list server is in the format of:

First Name Last Name  address


Can Mailman import the list that way and associate the person's name 
with the address?

Also, some of the people are Digest subscribers and the current list 
server has them as a separate subscription list.  Is there some way 
that I can do a Mass Subscription of those addresses and have them 
all set to be Digest Subscribers or do I need to add them and then go 
through the list of Subscribers and set them to Digest manually?

Thanks for your help

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Mailman on OS X Server 10.2.8PLEASE HELP!

[Mark Sapiro]

DJ Freak wrote:
>
>But...more importantly,  the web interface is not coming up when I type 
>in www.beathustler.com/mailman.  I host several sites but my lookup 
>name name is www.beathustler.com and that's what I entered as per the 
>Mailman install instructions.  Now my site lives on a different drive 
>than my boot volume and the CGI bin, etc.  Do I have to create a 
>symboic link to the Mailman web home and if so where is the home of 
>Mailman's web interface on a UNIX install?  I don't see any index.html 
>anywhere.  Is the personal Mailman web page compiled solely in CGI?  
>The default CGI bin doesn't seem to have any Mailman scripts either.  
>I'm getting "file not found" though not "Forbidden" which I would 
>expect to at least see if it were a permissions issue.  Needless to say 
>there is no "Mailman" folder on the home of my website which confuses 
>me.  Shouldn't there need to be something called /Mailman on my web 
>home to make /myhome.com/Mailman work?

There is no "index.html". There is a cgi-bin directory which contains
the various wrappers - admin, admindb, confirm, create, edithtml,
listinfo, options, private, rmlist, roster and subscribe which in turn
invoke scripts in Mailman/Cgi. The "home" of all this is usually
called $prefix and defaults to /usr/local/mailman unless you changed
it with --prefix= when you ran configure.

You need to tell your web server to run scripts from $prefix/cgi-bin.
For Apache this would be something like

  ScriptAlias   /mailman/   $prefix/cgi-bin/

in the Apache config.

All this is covered in the INSTALL document that comes with the
standard distribution.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Mailman on OS X Server 10.2.8 PLEASE HELP!

[DJ Freak]

Hello list thank you for having me.
I have some tough questions regarding my installation of Mailman on a 
Mac running OS X Server 10.2.8.

I have successfully installed Mailman (Python was already installed as 
expected).  I am able to create lists and have done so.  I think there 
is a problem with my allases but I will deal with that problem later.  
I am not able to subscribe and am not responded to when I send 
subscription messages etc.

But...more importantly,  the web interface is not coming up when I type 
in www.beathustler.com/mailman.  I host several sites but my lookup 
name name is www.beathustler.com and that's what I entered as per the 
Mailman install instructions.  Now my site lives on a different drive 
than my boot volume and the CGI bin, etc.  Do I have to create a 
symboic link to the Mailman web home and if so where is the home of 
Mailman's web interface on a UNIX install?  I don't see any index.html 
anywhere.  Is the personal Mailman web page compiled solely in CGI?  
The default CGI bin doesn't seem to have any Mailman scripts either.  
I'm getting "file not found" though not "Forbidden" which I would 
expect to at least see if it were a permissions issue.  Needless to say 
there is no "Mailman" folder on the home of my website which confuses 
me.  Shouldn't there need to be something called /Mailman on my web 
home to make /myhome.com/Mailman work?

Thanks very much in advance for any help.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about the "Mass" subscribe option

[Mark Sapiro]

Dana Rasmussen wrote:
>
>Does the mass subscribe option allow for bulk additions from a file containing the 
>list of addresses?
>

Yes, see the Membership Management...->Mass Subscription page for
details.

>Can you invite people to join a list using the mass subscribe option?  I would like 
>the potential members to "opt-in" with a confirmation reply e-mail.
>

Yes, there is a subscribe/invite selection on the page.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions about the "Mass" subscribe option

[Dana Rasmussen]

Hello,
Does the mass subscribe option allow for bulk additions from a file containing the 
list of addresses?
Can you invite people to join a list using the mass subscribe option?  I would like the 
potential members to "opt-in" with a confirmation reply e-mail.
Regards,
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[Mailman-Users] Questions from a new user on a personalised web interface...

[PeteBell]

Hi,
I am new to this - in fact, my list is no yet operative beyond mere 
testing with a handful of members.

I am trying to create my own personalised web interface for a new 
mailing list and so far some things have gone successfully and some 
others are proving difficult to do (I am a novice in both Mailing Lists 
AND webpage design!)  For reference: 
http://www.mactalk.org.uk/index.html  (but it's in early construction)!

I have trawled the Mailman FAQs for various solutions and some of these 
talk about altering Mailman config files.  How on earth does one go 
about doing this?  I am using an AppleMac, though my listhost uses 
Linux, I believe, so I am not really used to command line or terminal 
work. It's all totally greek to me and I need a step-by-step 
hand-holding guide to doing this, please. Can anyone help?

Also, I have successfully got a "subscribe" page working in my 
personalised web interface, using a form and action script, basically 
copied and pasted from the standard Mailman subscribe page, but how do 
I find what other cgi action scripts are available to me, in order to 
add further features? (Forgive me if this is totally basic, but we all 
have to learn somewhere (and personal computers weren't even invented 
when I was at school, so it's all a steep learning curve!)

Thanks in advance
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:50 PM +0530 2004-06-24, Bhavin Shah wrote:
 1) Users of the mailman can use HTML in their posting. Please confirm.
	Yes, but there are known issues with the default archiving tool, 
and with doing things like adding footers to messages as the pass 
through the system.  These are problems inherent in any MIME/HTML 
e-mail solution, and are difficult or impossible to solve.

	See 
, 
, 
and 
.

 2) How to allow the messages with the attachments.
	By default, Mailman will allow all MIME bodypart types to pass 
through the system unchanged.  All you have to do is avoid changing 
this aspect of the configuration.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions

[Bhavin Shah]

Dear Sir,

Please let me know the following :

1) Users of the mailman can use HTML in their posting. Please confirm.

2) How to allow the messages with the attachments.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

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Paul Tomblin wrote:
> I don't see any option to do that on the version of Mailman I'm using
> (2.1.1).

You should be able to just pull up the membership list and click on
the subscriber's name to be taken to their options page, where you can
edit things.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

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Quoting Todd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Paul Tomblin wrote:
> > Quoting texas critter - mailman-users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> >> But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member
> >> gets?  I
> >
> > Not as far as I can tell.
> 
> Sure they can.  The listowner can change options for list members
> easily.  They do have to do this for each subscriber if using the web
> interface.  I'm sure something simple could be whipped up to automate

I don't see any option to do that on the version of Mailman I'm using
(2.1.1).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

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Paul Tomblin wrote:
> Quoting texas critter - mailman-users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>> But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member
>> gets?  I
>
> Not as far as I can tell.

Sure they can.  The listowner can change options for list members
easily.  They do have to do this for each subscriber if using the web
interface.  I'm sure something simple could be whipped up to automate
this via the command line, though I haven't tried it (technically,
something relatively simple could be whipped up to do this via the web
interface too, if one were so inclined).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting texas critter - mailman-users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member gets?  I

Not as far as I can tell.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

[texas critter - mailman-users]

Paul Tomblin wrote:

> Not true.  You can set up "topics" in recent versions of Mailman, and
> people can subscribe to as many or as few of the topics of that list as
> they want.

ah!  thanks much for correcting me, I haven't played with topics on Mailman
yet.  I'm familar with them on a LSoft list and figured it was much the
same but hadn't thought about how that would apply to the original question
here.  So thanks for the info. :)

But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member gets?  I
think the original poster was wanting to be able to target specific
segments of the list, for example, all AOL members, could a listowner set
each AOL member to be subbed to a topic of "AOL"?  Would you have to set
each AOL member individually or could do you set all of them at once?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

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Quoting texas critter - mailman-users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Mailman also doesn't provide the ability to email only a portion of the
> member list.  You'd need to set up a separate list for each portion that
> you'd want to send different emails to, then (I think) you could set up an
> umbrella list to email all of them.

Not true.  You can set up "topics" in recent versions of Mailman, and
people can subscribe to as many or as few of the topics of that list as
they want.

For instance, my "copilot-announce" mailing list has two topics - the
CoPilot program itself, and the waypoint generator that provides navaid
data for the program.  People only interested in hearing when the next
version of CoPilot is coming out or what features it will have can
subscribe to the "CoPilot" topic, and people interested in hearing when
I've applied the FAA 56 day updates can subscribe to the "Generator"
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

[texas critter - mailman-users]

Wanda Clark Araujo wrote:

> We're in the process of setting up with hostway.  They've recommended
> Mailman.
>
> We'd like an email marketing software to allows us to create
> professional-looking, colorful HTML email newsletters, to manage email
> lists (so we can upload our data lists, target or segment portions of it
> and personalize), to track for receipts, opening and click thrus and to
> work within our Windows-based environment.

When you say "Windows-based" do you mean your personal computer is a Win PC
or that you want to install Mailman on a Windows server?  Mailman is
designed primarily for Linux/Unix servers.  It's possible to run it on a
Windows server, but it'll require some work.  The FAQ (see the link at the
bottom of all list messages) has more info about it.

Mailman doesn't provide any tracking or click thru info, if you're using
html, you can do various things in that which will provide tracking and
click thru info.

Mailman also doesn't provide the ability to email only a portion of the
member list.  You'd need to set up a separate list for each portion that
you'd want to send different emails to, then (I think) you could set up an
umbrella list to email all of them.

Lyris is probably more what you'd want, it does provide the ability to
target portions of a mailing list by a variety of data points, it also has
better handling of html and scheduling of posts.  But it's not free.  There
are list hosting services that use Lyris, NetAtlantic is one, Dundee is
another.  Again, not free tho.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions

[Wanda Clark Araujo]

We’re in the process of setting up with hostway.  They’ve recommended
Mailman.

We’d like an email marketing software to allows us to create
professional-looking, colorful HTML email newsletters, to manage email lists
(so we can upload our data lists, target or segment portions of it and
personalize), to track for receipts, opening and click thrus and to work
within our Windows-based environment.

I am unsure if the capabilities described above are offered.  Can you
address this question please?

Regards,
Wanda

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[Mailman-Users] questions

[Sam Howard]

i would like to ask you a couple of questions. for example,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] march is vol. 5 and each digest is an issue.
i know how to go on line and read each message. is there a way to go on
line and read the messages by digest, volume and issue, or ar those digests
only composed and sent to my inbox? also, can i send a request to the list
address and get messages or digests resent to my inbox via email, or do i
have to actually have to go to the archives to reread them? so you see, i
actually have 2 different questions. the version for the list is 2.1.4.
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[Mailman-Users] questions about mailman

[Cyber Achievers Support]

Hi
 
Does mailman offer multi-user autoresponder - e.g. can 
my members each get their own mailing list and manage it online with this nice 
looking system?
 
Thanks  
Christine 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions in reference to Mail Man???

[Jon Carnes]

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 12:27, Keith wrote:
> Dear Sirs,
> 
> We have been using Mail Man on our Linux based Mail Server for the last
> three weeks to mail to our Newsletter list of nearly 50,000 members.
> Everytime we send the Newsletter our Mail Server goes down.  This only
> happens when we use Mail Man.  Are there issues with the number of people
> that Mail Man can mail to.  Mail Man seems to work flawlessly when we send
> test message to small list groups.  It is only when we launch to our total
> list of 50,000 there is an issue that arises.
> 
This is most likely a problem with insufficient RAM.  Try doubling the
memory in your server.

> We have also noticed that none of our AOL members now get the Newsletter.
> Have you heard of anything that can be done to help with this issue.  We
> know AOL has changed there SPAM variables recently.  We didn't know if
> something could be set with in Mail Man to get through this issue.
> 
You can use VERP (look in the FAQ...).  There are also several
discussions of this in the archives of the list.



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[Mailman-Users] Questions in reference to Mail Man???

[Keith]

Dear Sirs,

We have been using Mail Man on our Linux based Mail Server for the last
three weeks to mail to our Newsletter list of nearly 50,000 members.
Everytime we send the Newsletter our Mail Server goes down.  This only
happens when we use Mail Man.  Are there issues with the number of people
that Mail Man can mail to.  Mail Man seems to work flawlessly when we send
test message to small list groups.  It is only when we launch to our total
list of 50,000 there is an issue that arises.

We have also noticed that none of our AOL members now get the Newsletter.
Have you heard of anything that can be done to help with this issue.  We
know AOL has changed there SPAM variables recently.  We didn't know if
something could be set with in Mail Man to get through this issue.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions & Comments Administrative Email Address

[Mensah K. Agbessitse]

Dear All,

Let say I have a domain name called dom1.com. Accessing the Admin Links page
gives me the same interface but with different email address. e.g.:

1- www.dom1.com/mailman/admin gives me (send questions and comments to
[EMAIL PROTECTED])

2- list.dom1.com/mailman/admin gives me (send questions and comments to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) where list is the name of the server.

3- dom1.com/mailman/admin gives me (send questions and comments to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) which is the correct thing I would like to have.

What do I have to do to get the #3 whick is the correct one even if people
should use www.dom1.com, they should get (send questions and comments to
[EMAIL PROTECTED])?


Please kindly help.

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auto unsub vs auto no-mail Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

[Mitchell Marks]

At 04:51 PM 2/22/03, Jon Carnes wrote:
On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 22:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 1.  Can this program delete the wrong addresses automatically, where as 
with
> aol you have to do it manually?

Nothing deletes a "wrong" address automatically, but if the address
bounces too often then Mailman will automatically move the address over
to "No Mail" so that it no longer sends mail to the address.
Is this strictly so, under 2.1 (or 2.1.1)?  Our list-owners get notices 
like this:

Subject: WIT-L unsubscribe notification
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] has been removed from WIT-L.
And when we look at the membership roster for that list, the address in 
question will be just gone, not "No Mail".

In fact our list owners would prefer to only have automatic no-mail, not 
automatic complete removal.  That way they can look into the problem and 
either correct the address or reactivate it if it was only a temporary 
problem (though exceeding MM's grace period, I guess).

I can't seem to find the settings to turn off automatic full-unsubscribe, 
while retaining automatic no-mail and owner notification.  Short of turning 
off bounce-processing altogether, that is.

Here are the settings under "Bounce Processing" from one of our lists, 
where I was trying to prevent full-unsubscribe by trickery with the timing 
(that is, the combination of bounce_info_stale_after and 
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval).  Suggestions for better ways of 
getting this result will be much appreciated.   Maybe just raise the 
threshhold way up?  (But the list owners do want to be alerted to bad 
addresses...)

Here are the current settings:

bounce_processing: Yes
bounce_score_threshold: 5.0
bounce_info_stale_after: 7
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings: 10
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval: 8
bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner: Yes
bounce_notify_owner_on_disable: Yes
bounce_notify_owner_on_removal: Yes
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

[Jon Carnes]

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 22:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 1.  Can this program delete the wrong addresses automatically, where as with 
> aol you have to do it manually?

Nothing deletes a "wrong" address automatically, but if the address
bounces too often then Mailman will automatically move the address over
to "No Mail" so that it no longer sends mail to the address.

> 
> 2.  Can you import your maillist from a dbf format and include it in your 
> program or does it have to be reentered?

DBF format - no.  You can dump your mailing list out to a text file (one
address per line) and then use that to subscribe folks.
> 
> 3. How many emails can be sent at one time?

How many emails can your mailserver handle?

Note: Mailman is not a personal mailing list handler, it is a server
(web-based) mailing list management application that is designed for
corporate or community use.  If can easily be installed on any common
version of Unix or Linux (or Mac OS-X), but it is not really suitable
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[Mailman-Users] Questions

[Swanko007]

1.  Can this program delete the wrong addresses automatically, where as with 
aol you have to do it manually?

2.  Can you import your maillist from a dbf format and include it in your 
program or does it have to be reentered?

3. How many emails can be sent at one time?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] questions

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 12:09  PM, Danny Terweij wrote:
4. Will subscribers be able to ubsubscribe without passwords? This is 
the
largest complaint we get from subscribers.


Nope, still the same.



Not strictly true. if you don't give the password, it'll mail you a 
link you can use to confirm the unsubscription. So you can avoid the 
password hassle by clicking a web link.




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Re: [Mailman-Users] questions

[Danny Terweij]

From: "Tenant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 1. Just how close to being released is Mailman 2.1? It seems like it's
been
> forever.

Arround 23 december 2.1 final version.

> 2. Any difficulties with Mailman 2.1 when running Redhat 7.3 or 8.0? Can
it
> be installed on RH6.1 (is a newer python required?) We might get to
Mailman
> before we get to the OS upgrade.

Python 2.x needed.

> 4. Will subscribers be able to ubsubscribe without passwords? This is the
> largest complaint we get from subscribers.

Nope, still the same.

> 5. How difficult is installation and are there compatability problems with
> years of existing archives?

Just backup all and then install new version over old version.
2.1 has uprade scripts, so it would be running fine.

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[Mailman-Users] questions

[Tenant]

We're still using Mailman 2.0beta6 and it's been fine for out announce-only 
list. We're also running Redhat 6.1.

But we're looking to upgrade to Redhat 7.3 or 8.0, and also to a newer 
mailman, so I've got some questions that I hope some of the listmembers can 
answer.

1. Just how close to being released is Mailman 2.1? It seems like it's been 
forever.

2. Any difficulties with Mailman 2.1 when running Redhat 7.3 or 8.0? Can it 
be installed on RH6.1 (is a newer python required?) We might get to Mailman 
before we get to the OS upgrade.

3. Are there/will there be ways to minimize all those headers? Yes, I've 
heard why they're there, but IMHO some are not necessary and they take up a 
lot of room.

4. Will subscribers be able to ubsubscribe without passwords? This is the 
largest complaint we get from subscribers.

5. How difficult is installation and are there compatability problems with 
years of existing archives?

Thanks for any insights.
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[Mailman-Users] Questions about my logs.

[Phil Grimpo]

I’ve noticed that members are constantly coming up as “nomail” marked next to their name.  I checked the bounce log and I’m seeing a
lot of errors like – “1 more allowed over 431930 secs”  What does that mean?  I am noticing a serious CNAME lookup error in
qmail (if anyone has insight on that, I’d like
to know.  Nearly every e-mail comes up
with that error) so I’m guessing e-mail is bouncing and after x bounces
it gets disabled?  Is this correct?

 

Also, what does the error mean: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a member?

 

Thanks!

 

-Phil Grimpo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Listserv service

[Support Desk]

- Original Message - 
From: "Emily Bohigian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:22 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Listserv service


I am on the market for a new listserv service and I had a few questions I
could not find answers to in the website:

Is Mailman accessible from email? 
What do you mean "accessible"? 
Mailman is a mailing list software which when properly installed on your 
server,
 delivers messages to subscribers VIA email. 

Do you mean, can subscribers send commands to the robot via email?
YES... 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subect=help 

Do you mean, can the administrator manage the list via email? 
NO, administration is via the web interface: or ssh 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/admin/mailman-users

How does a user unsubscribe from email? 
Access your list web page: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/cprg--at--cprg.net 
or by sending email from the account you wish to unsubscribe 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subect=unsubscribe 

Can the administrator bulk upload email addresses to the list?
YES, via the web interface.  

Can a user reply both publicly and privately?
YES, list administrator has the option of setting where replies go to,
if "to sender" replyer needs to "Reply to All" to send public reply, 
if 
"to list" replyer needs to paste the address of "sender" in the "To:"
box in place of the "List Address" of the reply. 

Is there digest and index capability?
YES (Pipermail) 

Are there ads on Mailman?  If so, are we paid for these ads? 
NO ads are included, but list owner may put own ads in the list 
header, 
footer, or listinfo page, and elsewhere.
Thanks for your help, 
WAIT! Here's your bonus help: 

Mailman quick reference guide: 
http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-admin-quickref-0.2.html 

List manager's guide: 
 http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html 

Server administrator guide:
 http://www.list.org/admins.html 

User's (subscriber's) guide:
 http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-userguide-0.1.pdf 

More than you ever wanted to know about Mailman:   :-) 
  http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html 


Emily

OK. Bye.. 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Listserv service

[Bob Stout]

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Emily Bohigian wrote:

> I am on the market for a new listserv service and I had a few questions I
> could not find answers to in the website:
>
>   Is Mailman accessible from email?
>   How does a user unsubscribe from email?

Yes, if you send a "HELP" message to -request@, you
receive a list of commands that also work with the "-request" address.

>   Can the administrator bulk upload email addresses to the list?

Yes, both from the web-based subscription management screen, or via
command line utility.

>   Can a user reply both publicly and privately?

I'm using 2.0.9 and the answer is yes, but with difficulty. The most
direct way is to use the "reply-to" setting, but this introduces problems
for some subscribers. If your list has some measure of control over the
mail system(s) which will be accessing it, this may or may not be a
problem. OTOH, if your subscriber list, like mine, is drawn from a diverse
population of people subscribing from work and home, it can be a headache
and there's no easy answer I've discovered.

>   Is there digest and index capability?

Yes. There are also methods I haven't tried yet to make the archives
searchable. I've had mixed success importing pre-existing (Listproc)
archives, but that has as much to do with my not paying attention to the
amount of available virtual storage as with any inherent problems with
Mailman.

>   Are there ads on Mailman?  If so, are we paid for these ads?

Not really... The "Delivered by Mailman", "Powered by Python", and GNU
logos appear at the bottom of the pages, but could probably be edited out.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Listserv service

[Emily Bohigian]

I am on the market for a new listserv service and I had a few questions I
could not find answers to in the website:

Is Mailman accessible from email?
How does a user unsubscribe from email?
Can the administrator bulk upload email addresses to the list?
Can a user reply both publicly and privately?
Is there digest and index capability?
Are there ads on Mailman?  If so, are we paid for these ads?

Thanks for your help,

Emily

Emily Bohigian
Member Activities Coordinator
International Communications Industries Association
11242 Waples Mill Road
Suite 200
Fairfax, VA 22030
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[Mailman-Users] Questions

[Chris]

Is the software free? If not how much is 
it?
 
Will it work with powerMTA?
 
 
Chris

[Mailman-Users] questions from a beginner

[Yves Bajard]

Dear colleagues:

I am beginning to use mailman as a vehicle to support several discussion 
groups on the space I buy from a commercial server in Ontario. I would like 
one of the lists to let all messages go through and be broadcast without 
having to be approved by the administrator, except those of administrative 
nature and incoming SPAM.

I would also like the archives to be public, and the list of subscribers to 
be restricted to members, without the constraint of forcing them to use a 
password.

I also would like to put all incoming messages of relevance to our theme on 
a newsgroup.

Now, I have gone to my administration site, and
(1) opened the general options page:
* no problem for the list name, address of administrators, general 
title and descriptive introduction, the prefix, the welcome message to 
newcomers and the regrets message to those who leave.
* I have  chosen to
* have the replies sent to "this list",
* nothing in the "explicit reply to";
* answered "yes" about"Check postings and intercept ones that 
seem to be administrative requests?";
* "no" to "Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address instead 
of directly to user",
* no change to the suffix
*  Yes to the item"Send monthly password reminders or no?". I do 
not see what the sentence "Overrides the previous option." means or implies..
* Yes to "Send welcome message when people subscribe?"
* No to "Should administrator get immediate notice of new requests, 
as well as daily notices about collected ones?"
* No to "Should administrator get notices of subscribes/unsubscribes?"
* No to "Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval?

(2) Then I went to the privacy page and did the following:
* asked for the list to be advertised
* limited the manoeuvre for subscription to "confirm"
* limited access to the list of subscirbers to the administrators
* answered "not " to "Show member addrs so they're not directly 
recognizable as email addrs?"
* Answered "no" to "Must posts be approved by an administrator?"
* Answered "no" to  "Restrict posting privilege to list members? 
(member_posting_only)
* Did not put any address in the box for " members accepted for posting 
to this list without implicit approval requirement. / while not fully 
understanding what the next sentence" (See "Restrict ... to list members" 
for whether or not this is in addition to allowing posting by list members 
" meant.
* Answered yes to "Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) 
field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)?", and did 
not put any aliases in the next box
* and left the rest at default
3. For the archives, I did keep the default, i.e, messages to be archived, 
archives open to the public, set date of sending to refer to the message 
and kept a monthly organization.

4. I did not touch the other pages, although I would like to organize the 
list so that a newsgroup sic related and takes on the archives.

5. In spite of all that, the administrators still receive the messages sent 
to the list for approval.. Wher does th thing go wrong and what should we do?

Thanks in advance for any help and advice

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions about Mailman

[Norbert Bollow]

> Which version of Python do you recommend running. We have 1.5.2 installed
> should we use a more recent version?

Yes... with a list of that size you want to use Mailman 2.1
which requires a relatively new Python version.  Python-2.1.3
works fine for me.

> We have a total of 290K members, will Mailman support this?
> Which MTA do you recommend, We use Qmail on our other server but would be
> open to using something else for Mailman?

I prefer to use Qmail, but I'm sure that others will make
different recommendations.

Greetings, Norbert.

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