Alright, I tracked down the problem and found out it had nothing to do with mailman. 
But in case someone has the same problem I'll post it (even though it's really really 
embarassing). Okay, I should I have been able to figure it out, it happened for no 
obvious reason, was just sitting there. It wasn't writing to the error log. Installing 
it fresh didn't help. That's right, I was out of disk space. I made some space and all 
is better. Sorry for all my trouble.

-Aaron

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From: "mailman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:23:10 -0700

>I have a second email account that I use for outgoing, and it wants to wait for 
>moderation (and I don't want to :). So sorry if this gets double posted.
>
>I checked all the processes and the only ones given to mailman is
>"/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner", so I cleared out the
>processes and still get the bug message. I've tried it on 3 different
>computers each with different browsers, but I tried it with netscape 4.7 and
>it still gives the bug message. And I checked the logs again, and there's
>nothing in error, but here's some stuff from the other log files:
>tail logs/smtp
>Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
>refused')
>Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.184 seconds
>tail logs/post
>Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) post to test from [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>size=1294, 1 failures
>tail logs/smtp-failure
>Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)]
>
>Maybe that will help?
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:46:53 -0400
>
>>Check the lock files in ~mailman/locks/
>>
>>If there are any lock files check the processes and see if they are actually
>>running.  The process is part of the name of the lock file.
>>Kill any processes that are frozen and then delete the lock files for them.
>>
>>Have you upgraded or changed your browser lately?  This could cause problems
>>when trying to access the Admin pages.
>>
>>Jon Carnes
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "Aaron Nikula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:44 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>>
>>
>>> Have you just tried resetting the admin password?
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> On Wednesday 17 October 2001 11:33 pm, Aaron Nikula wrote:
>>> > Hello, I setup mailman 2.0.2 and had it running for a long while. Last
>>> > night for no obvious reason, it started giving this error when trying to
>>> > get into admin: "We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very
>>low
>>> > level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you.
>>> > Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site." I checked
>>> > the error log and it said nothing. So I tried upgrading to 2.0.4, didn't
>>> > help. I tried completely removing the old version, still no go. It is
>>> > getting to the admin login page, it's when you login that it gives an
>>error
>>> > (when the wrong password is entered, it's okay, but doesn't help much
>>:).
>>> > Does anyone have ideas where I can start troubleshooting this stuff? I
>>> > restarted apache, sendmail, etc. And started from a fresh installation.
>>> > Thanks for any help.
>>> >
>>> > -Aaron
>>>
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