Re: [Mailman-Users] mail to non-existing list - Part two
It really does seem like that. See what postmaster is aliased to. My server's /etc/aliases has several entries like this: admin: root bin:root adm:root mail: root apache: root mailnull: root smmsp: root postfix:root system: root abuse: root webmaster: root mailer-daemon: postmaster postmaster: root mailman:postmaster info: postmaster marketing: postmaster sales: postmaster support:postmaster Note that postmaster is aliased to root, and root is later aliased to a real person's address. It seems like his postmaster is aliased to mail...@his_server.edu. On 04/24/2009 10:04 AM, Larry Stone wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Jeff Bernier wrote: I have tested this by just making up names on-the-fly like nolist, or xyzlist, and get this result every time. Sounds like you have a catchall address pointing to the Mailman list address. -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/donna%40brainvis.wustl.edu Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail to non-existing list - Part two
Jeff Bernier wrote: >I have an instance of Postfix-(2.4.3) running on my Mailman-(2.1.9) host-(Mac >OSX 10.5.6). > >I am relatively new to both Mailman and Postfix, so I'm not sure where to >look. Is there something in Postfix that may be causing this? Normally, but not always, Postfix delivers to Mailman via aliases that look like: mailman: "|/path/to/mail/mailman post mailman" mailman-admin: "|/path/to/mail/mailman admin mailman" mailman-bounces: "|/path/to/mail/mailman bounces mailman" etc. for the mailman (site) list, and LISTNAME: "|/path/to/mail/mailman post LISTNAME" LISTNAME-admin: "|/path/to/mail/mailman admin LISTNAME" LISTNAME-bounces: "|/path/to/mail/mailman bounces LISTNAME" etc. for a list named LISTNAME, with a set for each list. With Postfix, these aliases can be automatically maintained by Mailman, but they may not be. In your case, delivery is not (totally) via aliases, because if it were, and you mailed to nol...@example.com, the NOLIST address would be undeliverable because there would be no alias for it. So I'm guessing you have some other delivery process involving a dedicated domain, e.g. lists.example.com, and mail to a non-existent nol...@lists.example.com address is delivered to mail...@lists.example.com instead of being rejected during SMTP. The first step would be to find the entries for mail to nol...@lists.example.com in Postfix's log (the system maillog?) and see how they are being delivered. This is probably a complex process involving Postfix's master.cf and main.cf and other components. Is this an Apple OS X server preinstalled Mailman? If so, this is an Apple issue. We will try to help, but may not be able to. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail to non-existing list - Part two
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Jeff Bernier wrote: I have tested this by just making up names on-the-fly like nolist, or xyzlist, and get this result every time. Sounds like you have a catchall address pointing to the Mailman list address. -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail to non-existing list - Part two
I have an instance of Postfix-(2.4.3) running on my Mailman-(2.1.9) host-(Mac OSX 10.5.6). I am relatively new to both Mailman and Postfix, so I'm not sure where to look. Is there something in Postfix that may be causing this? >>> Mark Sapiro 4/24/2009 10:52 AM >>> Jeff Bernier wrote: >If I Telnet directly to Mailman with a bogus list name, I get the same result. I don't doubt that. The question is why? What (non-standard?) delivery method actually gets the mail from the MTA to Mailman? Mark Sapiro 4/24/2009 10:32 AM >>> >Jeff Bernier wrote: > >>Sorry... I just wish to clarify... the message gets put in the moderator >>request queue in my "Mailman" list. > > >So your MTA or other Mailman delivery process is delivering mail to >nonexistentl...@example.com as if it were addressed to >mail...@example.com. > >You have to examine this process to see why. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail to non-existing list - Part two
Jeff Bernier wrote: >If I Telnet directly to Mailman with a bogus list name, I get the same result. I don't doubt that. The question is why? What (non-standard?) delivery method actually gets the mail from the MTA to Mailman? Mark Sapiro 4/24/2009 10:32 AM >>> >Jeff Bernier wrote: > >>Sorry... I just wish to clarify... the message gets put in the moderator >>request queue in my "Mailman" list. > > >So your MTA or other Mailman delivery process is delivering mail to >nonexistentl...@example.com as if it were addressed to >mail...@example.com. > >You have to examine this process to see why. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail to non-existing list - Part two
If I Telnet directly to Mailman with a bogus list name, I get the same result. >>> Mark Sapiro 4/24/2009 10:32 AM >>> Jeff Bernier wrote: >Sorry... I just wish to clarify... the message gets put in the moderator >request queue in my "Mailman" list. So your MTA or other Mailman delivery process is delivering mail to nonexistentl...@example.com as if it were addressed to mail...@example.com. You have to examine this process to see why. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail to non-existing list - Part two
I have tested this by just making up names on-the-fly like nolist, or xyzlist, and get this result every time. >>> Donna Dierker 4/24/2009 10:29 AM >>> To get a message like that, the list must exist one *some* system -- perhaps not the one you think. I would go to the mail server (e.g., if the list is myl...@myserver.edu, then ssh onto myserver.edu) and check the contents of /etc/aliases. See who myl...@myserver.edu is aliased to. On 04/24/2009 09:26 AM, Jeff Bernier wrote: > Sorry... I just wish to clarify... the message gets put in the moderator > request queue in my "Mailman" list. > > Hello all, > > If someone posts a message to a list that does not exist in my Mailman > system, the message goes to the pending moderator requests queue, and the > sender gets a notice indicating their message is being held for moderator > approval with the reason: "Message has implicit destination" > > My questions are... Why is it being held if the list does not exist? Can I > alter the behavior of Mailman to discard the message instead? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail ( http://www.mail/ ) ( http://www.mail/ > )-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbern...@risd.edu > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail ( http://www.mail/ > )-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/do...@brainvis.wustl.edu > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail to non-existing list - Part two
Jeff Bernier wrote: >Sorry... I just wish to clarify... the message gets put in the moderator >request queue in my "Mailman" list. So your MTA or other Mailman delivery process is delivering mail to nonexistentl...@example.com as if it were addressed to mail...@example.com. You have to examine this process to see why. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] mail to non-existing list - Part two
Sorry... I just wish to clarify... the message gets put in the moderator request queue in my "Mailman" list. Hello all, If someone posts a message to a list that does not exist in my Mailman system, the message goes to the pending moderator requests queue, and the sender gets a notice indicating their message is being held for moderator approval with the reason: "Message has implicit destination" My questions are... Why is it being held if the list does not exist? Can I alter the behavior of Mailman to discard the message instead? Thanks, Jeff -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail ( http://www.mail/ )-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbernier%40risd.edu Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
