the Applications folder when viewed from the
Mac Desktop).
I wish I could be more helpful but it's very doable and didn't take a lot of
work.
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As requested by Brad, here is:
Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation steps for Mailman
This document best recalls my experience installing Mailman (2.1.4 but I
assume this is equally valid for 2.1.5 which was current when this was
written) on MacOS X 10.3 (Panther). It is largely based
and .forward+foo before
# trying user and .forward.
#
#recipient_delimiter = +
Uncomment the command, restart, and it should work.
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program trying to turn something undisplayable
into something that's displayable.
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In July, I posted on this topic with my best recollection of how I installed
mailman on MacOS X 10.3. Today, I finally had a chance to try out my own
instructions on my test system. There were a few minor mistakes so here is
the corrected and tested version:
Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3)
and then see the note I
wrote on getting Mailman running on Panther (client)
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039600.html.
So long as you can follow directions, it is easy to get Mailman running on
MacOS X.
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.com article you referenced so I
don't know why you think you want that there (but I'm an Apache neophyte -
I just followed the directions I received).
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with 2.0.7.
Like I said, a different ISP would be the best choice.
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On 1/20/05 4:57 PM, José Zapata at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stopped exactly after one day. I didn't catch it before. What could be
happening?
Some sort of system daemon set up to not let any program (other than
operating system stuff obviously) run more than 24 hours?
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to be associated with the your first posting to the
list, not subscribing.
FWIW, web browser is Safari (Macintosh).
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On 2/17/05 6:54 AM, Larry Stone at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While it's been quite a while, I also recall getting the bogus subscription
confirmation email from that site. At the time, I had no reason to associate
it with my subscribing to this mailman list so if it is, then as others have
at the ampersand
and presumably executed in the background.
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: header which also has the envelope
sender in it. Looking at my mailman archives, the pseudo-From is there but
not the Return-Path: header.
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this
server. While it hasn't happened since, if one does get reported as spam, I
do mean it about banning them from the server. Right into my Postfix
sender_checks they will go.
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is the mail was delivered to mailman. You need to
take a look at mailman's logs (in (prefix)/mailman/logs) to see what is
going on within mailman.
But let's not pass up the obvious: you did start mailman, right?
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to something pine does not like.
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about how to use an Approved header to deal with this issue.
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exactly the same as what the MUA does with a BCC?
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On 6/2/05 7:57 PM, Brad Knowles at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Brad, I realize this is getting a little off of Mailman but how is that
different from what a BCC does? A BCC header is local to the originating
MUA - it doesn't appear
provider has him blocked for some reason.
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In September 2004, I posted on this topic with instructions for installing
mailman on MacOS X 10.3 (Panther). Today, I just finished upgrading my
mailman installation to 2.1.6 on a system I upgraded to Tiger (10.4) a few
weeks ago. At the same time, I updated the startup to Apple's new way of
a digest be dispatched daily when the size
threshold isn't reached? set to YES. But it is not sending out a
Daily Digest although there are posts in the queue.
Digest sending is done by cron. Do you have the cron piece of Mailman set
up?
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can be a
lot of help. But there seems to be little knowledge here of Apple's somewhat
proprietary installation of Mailman on OS X Server. Reports indicate that
there is a lot non-standard about how Apple installed it.
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but had nothing in common with Outlook Express for Windows.
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Mailman
is encountering an error when trying to resolve lists.familyvoices.org.
Fix that, then see what happens.
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150 seperate messages going up the DSL line).
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A cryptic message to be sure but I think it's trying to tell you it can't
resolve lists.familyvoices.org. When I try to lookup that name, I get a
SERVFAIL error which means your DNS is not set up correctly and the server
is encountering an error when
already has an Apple-modified version of mailman.
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a volunteer but they get paid) -
maybe when they realize that lack of reliable mail delivery is costing them
money, they'll change.
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will save you over a GB. Also note that if you not install the BSD subsystem
as part of you Mac OS X install, you must do that first (that's part of the
Mac OS X install, not the Xcode/Developer Tools install).
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in
the above??
No they are not. Just
Approved: password
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suitable IP
address.25
Not so fast. I have postfix running on my Macintosh and my output of netstat
-ln -p tcp shows nothing for port 25.
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On 6/15/06 10:13 PM, Peter Tattersall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 15-Jun-06, at 10:28 PM, Larry Stone wrote:
Not so fast. I have postfix running on my Macintosh and my output of
netstat
-ln -p tcp shows nothing for port 25.
I have the identical setup. netstat -ln -p tcp doesn't show
for days until it times
out. Unfortunately, the list where this happens is in its inactive time of
the year and all the relevant logs have aged off the system so I can't say
if the specific error I'm getting is the same Service Unavailable in the
OP's log extract.
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1,400 addresses from the state association of which 300 turned out to be
bad, mostly for no such user. Besides everything else, that's extra load
on the MTA that doesn't need to be there.
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an alternative hostname for
the machine, that mailman doesn't know is an acceptable alternative and
therefore considers it to an implicit destination?
For example, mailman expects lists.example.com but mail is sent to
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with a later version of python. But I am curious and this
sort of exercise does help me understand how the various pieces fit
together.
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On 9/28/06 9:16 PM, Barry Warsaw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Sep 28, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Larry Stone wrote:
This all made me curious. I'm just a user of Mailman on Mac OS X - no
development of any sort by me - so I'm good with 2.1.9
with that problem. Mailman is a mailing list
server, not a mail server. And how are you going to read this reply if you
have no incoming mail?
I also have .Mac
Completely irrelevant. Why don't you tell us what problem you are trying to
solve.
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there any way to do it afterwards?
No. I added VERP much later.
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seen other
reports that indicate AOL gives up after three hours. A ridculously short
period of time and one that is guaranteed to generate a relatively large
number of bounces.
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.
If there was some way to include a magic flag in a message that said this
is not spam, don't you think all the spammers would include that in their
spam?
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have. This list
is exclusively for the support of Mailman which is mailing list software.
If someone suggested to you this is the place to ask about Freepbx, they're
wrong. You need to find an appropriate support forum on your own.
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listening to localhost (127.0.0.1) on port 25.
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or as the first
line of the message, it would be included in the message if it was
susequently approved by a moderator or met other critieria for not needing
moderation.
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alias processing required
You need:
MTA = 'Postfix'
And then you need to tell Postfix where they are. In my postfix main.cf, I
have:
# Needed for Mailman
alias_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/aliases,
hash:/path_to_mailman/data/aliases
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stands for, it's Mail Transfer Agent.
Likewise, the e-mail client that use (be it Outlook, Eudora, Pine, a
web-mail client, any of the genericly named Mail programs, or anything
else) is an MUA or Mail User Agent.
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on localhost (127.0.0.1) as well the host's
TCP/IP address. I'm have very little sendmail experience (and what I have is
years ago) but I know for some of the other MTAs you must explicitly
configure it to listen to localhost separately from the outside TCP/IP
address.
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in Postfix support
resources.
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are on this
machine? is set to yes.
Sigh...that was it. I guess what threw me off was the fact that it wasn't
showing in admin either. I didn't think that setting affected admin.
It has to. Admin isn't private so a list that appeared on admin isn't
private.
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16621 std R+ 0:00.00 grep -i python
(The numbers will vary. The important thing is that you see the qrunner
processes)
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On 7/14/07 12:42 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
As Larry Stone mentioned, just put something in the headers and
footers of every message, which tells AOL users that they will have
their entire domain permanently banned from the list, if you get too
many spam
it's the one piece of
header info that isn't redacted at this point.
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On 7/14/07 8:26 PM, Brad Knowles at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/14/07, Larry Stone wrote:
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] banned for AOL TOS notice - 10/20/05
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 554 You have previously reported requested
mail from here as SPAM - you are banned from this server (see
that
phplist doesn't have the problems mailman does.
Other reasons? Misconfiguration by them; resource limits they've applied.
Who knows other than them.
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384Kbps upstream is adequate. Until
a few months ago, that iMac was also my main desktop machine. While it's
now a dedicated server, there's nothing about Mailman and whatever MTA you
use that requires them to be on a dedicated server - they'll be quite
happy to chug along in the background.
-- Larry
in the mailman logs but unless I'm mistaken, the Starting
Mailman's ... message comes from mailmanctl so mailmanctl is launching
but then dying with that Stray process error.
The Leopard provided version of Python 2.5.1 and I have mailman 2.1.9.
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5) Startup is intermittently(?) failing due to what seems to be a Leopard,
not mailman, issue. I'm not at all sure what that Stray process message
means and have not turned up anything useful in a web search.
Oct 29 07:36:46 Leoptest mailman[56
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actually didn't think was possible. :-(
In their attempt to make it unreadable by machines, they've succeeded in
making it unreadable by humans.
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the command sendmail (for Sendmail compatibility) as a
means of injecting mail. Note also that as written, the mail message will
be missing all RFC required headers but as it's going to myself, I don't
care. You could, of course, do something else there to provide
notification.
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for 5.0.
With bounce processing turned on, you don't get notified until the bounce
threshold is exceeded. Until then, the bounces get logged in the Mailman
bounce log but that's it. So all of them have bounced five times before
you were notified.
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. I
even found one I couldn't get right after half a dozen tries. I gave up.
Their loss.
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and Yahoo will see several messages each
addresses to one recipient rather than one message addressed to multiple
recipients.
Unfortunately, when a recipient chooses to use a free e-mail service, they
get what they're paying for.
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having them change the reverse DNS on my address to my
domain name, something that makes spam detection software happier.
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affects messages given to sendmail after you made the change. Anything
already in sendmail's outgoing queue from before you made the change is not
affected by the change as Mailman is no further involvement with the message
at that point.
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(s) were big enough to put him over quota
(e.g. member has 10,000 bytes available; 100,000 byte list message is
rejected but 1,000 byte you are disabled message is accepted).
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to the site password test and there never sets
the site admin cookie.
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them with them as the To: recipient. That also lets me
know who to remove when they decide that the easiest way to let me know that
they're no longer interested in being notified of available games is to do a
report as spam. :-(
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into the other
lists.
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You also need
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
Once you do that, the personalization option will appear on the
appropriate admin page. You will probably need to restart httpd for it to
appear. I doubt restarting the qrunners will be needed.
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signs
in the return paths.
When you then get the AOL TOS e-mail, you can figure out who the list
recipient was as while AOL redacts the AOL recipient, they don't touch the
Return-Path.
As you have observed, the original message-ID is still preserved.
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split it into all the
destinations. With personalization, the message for each user comes to the
MTA as a separate message. One of the tradeoffs of personalization is the
increased workload for Mailman and the MTA.
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the traditional mailing
list model. And by the way, I also do run a few traditional lists and
they are very much confirmed opt-in.
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automatically, in a folder that you
never go look in.
Why even receive them at that point? They're little more than spam
themselves so maybe it's time to ban all mail from AOL as AOL will then be a
known spammer. :-(
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Aug 2008 11:02:45 -0400 (EDT)
That's not a Message ID, that's a queue ID. And yes, I do the same
thing.
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error
2) mail being bounced by a spam filter
3) Auto-replies from your mail program back to the sender
I'm sure there are others. How well they'll be recognized by the mailman
bounce processor partially depends on certain list configuration options.
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running on Mac OS X but as I recall, I made a lot of changes to
it to both make it work and have it do what I wanted it to do. There were
definitely some syntax changes and, I think, some binary file location
differences to be to be accommodated.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Jeff Bernier wrote:
I have tested this by just making up names on-the-fly like nolist, or
xyzlist, and get this result every time.
Sounds like you have a catchall address pointing to the Mailman list
address.
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and send me
e-mail if any or all are missing.
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On 6/26/09 6:22 AM, Matthias Schmidt at b...@admilon.net wrote:
Am/On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:22:02 -0500 schrieb/wrote Larry Stone:
On 6/18/09 7:11 PM, Bryan Harrison at br...@bryanharrison.com wrote:
I've built and installed Mailman 2.12 from current source code and
have it running just
to
interpret that relative to what mailmanctl does.
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working version. With Mailman, wait for an official production
release as it will come when everything is ready.
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on Max OS X. While Apple provides a modified version with OS X
Server, it is easy to install from source on OS X client and instructions to
do so can be found in the Archived.
I am currently running Mailman 2.1.12 on Leopard (on a PPC iMac not that
that will make any difference).
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Mailman on Mac OS X. There is a version for Tiger (10.4) I posted
on 7/17/05.
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On 11/26/09 12:12 AM, Larry Stone at lston...@stonejongleux.com wrote:
Also, search the archives as I have posted detailed instructions on
installing Mailman on Mac OS X. There is a version for Tiger (10.4) I posted
on 7/17/05.
Now that I had time to do the search myself, the URL is
http
on
my upgrade to Leopard.
The Tiger instructions can be found in the archives at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg33402.html. A
search will let you find the Panther instructions and Leopard notes if you
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http
different name to avoid a conflict), the modifications
to the Apache configuration file, and the modifications to the Postfix
configuration file for the aliases (all of which should be preserved by
any Apple upgrades).
-- Larry Stone
lston...@stonejongleux.com
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Paul Kleeberg
a reload of the launchd plist
for mailman?). So we'd need to see log files as to what's happening. If
there's nothing in any logfile (including system.log), then I'd guess the
plist was never reloaded.
-- Larry Stone
lston...@stonejongleux.com
the headers
and not all do.
Also, this list is about the Mailman software itself. We have no access to
the site running your list. You need to contact your site administrator
about making chnages to your site.
-- Larry Stone
lston...@stonejongleux.com
, you should be able to look in
the postfix logs to see what's happening.
-- Larry Stone
lston...@stonejongleux.com
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Requested mail action not taken: mailbox unavailable (in reply to RCPT
TO command)) Jan 13 15:25:00 my-mailserver postfix/smtp[28262]:
B405E2D858F
-- Larry Stone
lston...@stonejongleux.com
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and building it
(requires Mac OS X Developer Tools), you will be modifying the
internal web server on your computer, and you will need to modify system
startup files (Mailman runs in the background). In short, you need to be a
reasonably skilled system administrator.
-- Larry Stone
lston
of the system that is sending you
these messages. This list is for discussion by Mailman administrators of
how to use Mailman. It is not a support list specific to the server that
is sending you the messages nor do we have any access to that site.
-- Larry Stone
lston...@stonejongleux.com
. Please do not refer to a GNU
Mailman list as a listserv or use listserv as a generic term for mailing
lists or mailing list management software.
--
Larry Stone
lston...@stonejongleux.com
http://www.stonejongleux.com/
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Mailman-Users mailing
servers can SEND mail for the domain. While in
many cases, they are the same servers, there is no requirement that they be
so and many large ISPs split the functions.
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