[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/2/21 11:56 AM, jack...@encompasserve.org wrote:
> 
> Going-in on 'A', I clear them.  Tomorrow, they reappear with
> exactly the same submission dates; one before I corrected the
> inbound mail routing and one after.

When you go to the admindb interface on "A", view the source of the
page. On the source of the page you should see a FORM tag with an
action=URL and method="POST". Is the host in the action=URL something
that resolves to "A" or does it go to "B"?

Also, when you clear them on "A" if you look in the address bar of the
resultant "There are no pending requests ..." page did that page come
from "A" or "B"?

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

[jackson]

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021, Mark Sapiro wrote:


On 1/1/21 1:43 PM, jack...@encompasserve.org wrote:


What I'm still struggling with is...


Please send me one of these email notices off list. I need to see all
the headers from the raw message source. I'll see what I can see from that.


Thanks very much, doing so by pm...



I do have an issue understanding what's happening. If you get a notice
about pending requests and go to "B" and the requests are there and you
delete them, how is it that they reappear on "B"? That's the part I
don't understand.

I suspect part of this is DNS issues possibly combined with action URLs
in web forms containing a host name which doesn't point to the current
host. I.e., you go to http://B/mailman/admindb/LIST and the action URL
for the "submit" button actually points to "A".


I did migrate the list from one instance to another years ago.
In diagnosing the recent spamming, I did find an error:  Mail
was still being sent to the old instance.  I corrected on 13th
December.

Each morning I get attend-to pending requests for two spams,
on on either side of directing mail to the correct instance.

So this is increasingly beginning to sound like inconsistent
DNS aliases or /etc/host hostname or alias references.

According to the headers, the attend-to emails are being sent
by the old instance, 'A'.

The recipient of the emails is the list administrator on the
new instance, 'B'.

'B' forwards to the mail host 'C' which delivers to the
instance on which I read mail (which happens to be 'A').

Going-in on 'B', nothing is pending there.

Going-in on 'A', I clear them.  Tomorrow, they reappear with
exactly the same submission dates; one before I corrected the
inbound mail routing and one after.

Am I confused?  Boy am I confused!
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

[jackson]

It was a helpful suggestion.

Pipermail archiving directory hierarchy is out on NAS and is
shared however long-ago changes whould have broken archiving.
A non-member held post wouldn't be archived but thinking along
the same lines I had wondered about nightly NAS backup/restore.
System files are not shared and not under any nightly schedule.

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/1/21 1:43 PM, jack...@encompasserve.org wrote:
> 
> What I'm still struggling with is why tomorrow, 'A' will email
> (I'll go in on web admin on 'A' there'll be nothing there).  I go in
> on admin on 'B' the exact ones reported in the 'A's email will be
> there, I'll discard them, 'B' will then say none pending, then
> tomorrow the cycle repeats.


Please send me one of these email notices off list. I need to see all
the headers from the raw message source. I'll see what I can see from that.

I do have an issue understanding what's happening. If you get a notice
about pending requests and go to "B" and the requests are there and you
delete them, how is it that they reappear on "B"? That's the part I
don't understand.

I suspect part of this is DNS issues possibly combined with action URLs
in web forms containing a host name which doesn't point to the current
host. I.e., you go to http://B/mailman/admindb/LIST and the action URL
for the "submit" button actually points to "A".

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

[jackson]

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021, Mark Sapiro wrote:


On 1/1/21 11:48 AM, jack...@encompasserve.org wrote:



Then neither of those instances is the one sending the notices. You need
to look at the chain of Received: headers in the notice to find the IP
of the server that is originating them. Then you have to find all the
Mailman installations on that server to see which one has the list with
the pending request.


There's only a single Mailman installation on each of the instances.

True, 'A' is sending the email but 'B' has them held in the web UI.

At the risk of exhausting everyone's patience...

What I'm still struggling with is why tomorrow, 'A' will email
(I'll go in on web admin on 'A' there'll be nothing there).  I go in
on admin on 'B' the exact ones reported in the 'A's email will be
there, I'll discard them, 'B' will then say none pending, then
tomorrow the cycle repeats.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/1/21 11:48 AM, jack...@encompasserve.org wrote:
> 
> The list was indeed migrated from one instance to another.
> 
> Surely the requests need to be cleared-out of the instance
> doing the email reporting.
> 
> On both, Mailman reports "There are no pending requests."
> 
> The following day, another email and recurrence of the same
> dated requests recur needing to be discarded.


Then neither of those instances is the one sending the notices. You need
to look at the chain of Received: headers in the notice to find the IP
of the server that is originating them. Then you have to find all the
Mailman installations on that server to see which one has the list with
the pending request.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

[jackson]

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021, Mark Sapiro wrote:


On 1/1/21 1:55 AM, jack...@encompasserve.org wrote:


Admin email received 8am each morning listing the pending
posts from non-members.

Mailman reports "There are no pending requests."

Tomorrow the same thing happens reporting the same historic
date of the non-member post.


See the FAQ article at .


The list was indeed migrated from one instance to another.

Surely the requests need to be cleared-out of the instance
doing the email reporting.

On both, Mailman reports "There are no pending requests."

The following day, another email and recurrence of the same
dated requests recur needing to be discarded.

Sure, removing the cron jobs would stop the attend-to emails
but can't be the root cause since each morning those same old
spams would be there needing to be discarded (again).
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/1/21 1:55 AM, jack...@encompasserve.org wrote:
> 
> Admin email received 8am each morning listing the pending
> posts from non-members.
> 
> Go in and:
> 
> 1. select 'Reject' on each post
> 2. add the faked sender to the block from subscribing filter
> 3. submit all data
> 
> Mailman reports "There are no pending requests."
> 
> Tomorrow the same thing happens reporting the same historic
> date of the non-member post.


See the FAQ article at .

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