[Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailman at Hostmonster - default server IP
Thank you Mark for your reply. Yes, I found it strange also. I have been with HostMonster for 20 years. Almost zero issues until mid-October. What was strange is that the lists were working intermittently for about a month after that. Also, I had suspicions about the Bluehost acquisition. I am going to try HostGator. They have a 30 day trial. I have one domain, my primary email that is protected by spamexperts. I thought that was the issue and but i tried with other domains not using spamexperts and had the same results. While I am generally versed with IT things. I never got down to the nuts and bolts of the apps. So I'm at the mercy of services that do. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ Member address: [email protected]
[Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailman at Hostmonster - default server IP
On 1/2/25 12:11, Russell Clemings via Mailman-Users wrote: This is shared hosting, right? I'm using Mailman (different host, though) on a VPS and the list emails use the IP address of my VPS. This is for outgoing mail which is presumably also the case (IP of the shared server) for the mail from the hostmonster/bluehost lists. Bluehost seems to be saying that they are unable to diagnose mail delivery issues because the mail from Mailman is delivered to the outgoing MTA via 127.0.0.1:25 which is nonsense. If in fact they are saying the outgoing mail is sent from 127.0.0.1, that is a problem but is a misconfiguration in the outgoing MTA and has nothing to do with Mailman. They need to see https://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html for info on configuring exim (cPanel's MTA of choice) to work with Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ Member address: [email protected]
[Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailman at Hostmonster - default server IP
On 1/2/25 12:04, ski--- via Mailman-Users wrote: This was the response I had received from Hostmonster. Hostmonster - The emails sent via Mailman use the IP address 127.0.0.1, which is the default IP address of the server. Unfortunately, when emails from this address are dropped due to mailing list restrictions, it becomes challenging to lift these restrictions, thereby preventing us from resolving the Mailman-related issues effectively. What mailing list restrictions? The above makes no sense. It is a boilerplate response from some person or thing that has no understanding of the issue. Currently when the emails are sent from mailing lists, then those emails will be marked as spam, even though the user didn’t send large volume of emails from the server. I think this is talking about mail delivered from the mailing list to the end recipient. As I understand your OP, Mailman's mail was not being sent to external recipients, i.e. not being sent rather thyan being sent and marked as spam by the recipient ISP. That said I manage multiple Mailman servers and for the most part, our list mail, including mail from this list, is not marked as spam by the recipients. This should not be an issue for servers that are properly configured MTAs, publish appropriate SPF and DKIM sign outgoing list mail We have observed similar issues from other customers using MailMan for bulk emailing. I am afraid, there is currently no workaround for this issue when using MailMan. Given these challenges, I kindly request you to consider an alternative solution, such as phpList over Mailman, for bulk email management. I am guessing that your problem started when hostmonster was taken over by Bluehost. If that's the case, I suggest that Bluehost is unwilling or unable to support Mailman and I suggest your appropriate solution is to find a host that does support Mailman. Hopefully, Bluehost will provide your lists' config.pck file(s) and archive mailboxes for a transition. If not, see the mailman-subscribers.py or mailman-subscribers3.py scripts at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/ (mirrored at https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/) which can at least get you the list membership by screen scraping the admin web UI. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ Member address: [email protected]
[Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailman at Hostmonster - default server IP
This is shared hosting, right? I'm using Mailman (different host, though) on a VPS and the list emails use the IP address of my VPS. On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 12:05 PM ski--- via Mailman-Users < [email protected]> wrote: > This was the response I had received from Hostmonster. > > Hostmonster - > The emails sent via Mailman use the IP address 127.0.0.1, which is the > default IP address of the server. Unfortunately, when emails from this > address are dropped due to mailing list restrictions, it becomes > challenging to lift these restrictions, thereby preventing us from > resolving the Mailman-related issues effectively. > > Currently when the emails are sent from mailing lists, then those emails > will be marked as spam, even though the user didn’t send large volume of > emails from the server. > > We have observed similar issues from other customers using MailMan for > bulk emailing. I am afraid, there is currently no workaround for this issue > when using MailMan. Given these challenges, I kindly request you to > consider an alternative solution, such as phpList over Mailman, for bulk > email management. > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ > Member address: [email protected] > -- === Russell Clemings === -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ Member address: [email protected]
[Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailman at Hostmonster - default server IP
This was the response I had received from Hostmonster. Hostmonster - The emails sent via Mailman use the IP address 127.0.0.1, which is the default IP address of the server. Unfortunately, when emails from this address are dropped due to mailing list restrictions, it becomes challenging to lift these restrictions, thereby preventing us from resolving the Mailman-related issues effectively. Currently when the emails are sent from mailing lists, then those emails will be marked as spam, even though the user didn’t send large volume of emails from the server. We have observed similar issues from other customers using MailMan for bulk emailing. I am afraid, there is currently no workaround for this issue when using MailMan. Given these challenges, I kindly request you to consider an alternative solution, such as phpList over Mailman, for bulk email management. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ Member address: [email protected]
[Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailman at Hostmonster - default server IP
Thank you for the reply. Yes. I use mailman through cpnanel. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ Member address: [email protected]
[Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailman at Hostmonster - default server IP
On 12/21/24 08:38, [email protected] wrote: One issue I found is it could be the host is blocking the outgoing port that Mailman uses. So I'm asking my hosting provider about that possibility. This is unlikely. Mailman sends to localhost port 25 (in cPanel, this is the exim MTA). Presumably, mail is getting to exim because it is ultimately delivered to local users. If non-mailman mail is delivered to external users without problems, the issue is probably in exim's configuration for mailman. See https://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ Member address: [email protected]
[Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailman at Hostmonster - default server IP
I created a post on cPanel. Hopefully they'll have some good answers come through on there. https://support.cpanel.net/hc/en-us/community/posts/28706820128407-Mailman-on-cPanel-not-able-to-send-to-external-domains One issue I found is it could be the host is blocking the outgoing port that Mailman uses. So I'm asking my hosting provider about that possibility. Grace and Peace, Jeff -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ Member address: [email protected]
[Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailman at Hostmonster - default server IP
I've recently run into the exact same issue with BlueHost (actually JustHost) and it is a cPanel version of Mailman. And they told me the same thing and recommended I use another program. So greatly interested in finding a solution for how to fix this problem that just crept up recently. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ Member address: [email protected]
[Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailman at Hostmonster - default server IP
On 12/18/24 11:26, ski--- via Mailman-Users wrote: Help. I have been using mailman at hostmonster many years. Recently, email delivery to external domains stopped (yes, DNS / SPF/ DKIM/ DMARC all good). Hostmonster says it is a IP address issues Hostmonster - "The emails sent via Mailman use the IP address 127.0.0.1, which is the default IP address of the server. Unfortunately, when emails from this address are dropped due to mailing list restrictions, it becomes challenging to lift these restrictions, thereby preventing us from resolving the Mailman-related issues effectively. " Has anyone else experienced this problem? Is there a solution? It seems Hostmonster doesn't have a clue about how to support Mailman. Do they use cPanel. Many hosting services use cPanel, and while some do support Mailman, others offer Mailman lists only because they come with cPanel and don't have any interest in actually supporting it. Mailman delivers mail via an outgoing MTA, most often and by default this is the MTA listening on localhost (127.0.0.1) port 25. Mailman has logs `smtp` and `smtp-failure` that can help diagnose delivery failures as can information in the MTA's logs. Why the fact that Mailman connects to the MTA at 127.0.0.1 complicates this in any way is not something I understand. Hopefully you can find someone at hostmonster that has a clue. If this is cPanel mailman, see https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ Member address: [email protected]
