Re: [MlMt] Scheduling questions, one on topic and one off-topic

[Charlie Garrison]

On 26 Apr 2018, at 23:29, Jan Erik Moström wrote:

Off-topic question: if someone of you is using Fantasical, where does 
it create an event given a text like this "Educational seminar that 
will take place on Friday May 4th starting at 13:30 in the MIT-place 
seminar room"


I've got an "old" version of Fantastical. The above string results in a 
location of "MIT-place seminar room". Is that what you were asking?


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Re: [MlMt] Outlook style reply styling

[Allan Reiffman]

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Kee Hinckley  wrote:

> I primarily use MailMate in an Outlook environment.
>
> I'm sure it would be possible to create a css theme that matched Outlook's
> so you'd get a similar look. I've never seen the horizontal bar, but as
> others say, you can add it with --- (and probably with some creative CSS
> as well). I've gone the other route and tried to style mine *better* than
> Outlook :).
>
Thanks, this is very interesting.  I would be interested in seeing your
results of this if you would care to share.


> *Benny*, is it possible to have user-defined themes, or do we still need
> to add them into the app?
>
> If not, you look at /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/
> Bundles/MailMate.mmBundle/Themes and add your own file there with a new
> UID, then it will show up in the Composer preferences. You'll need to
> replace it each time you update the app.
>
> My biggest issue in dealing with Outlook is that occasionally people try
> to get *around* the top comment model and edit inline, and when they do,
> they mark their comments as theirs by *coloring* them (and putting their
> initials on them). That's easy enough to read (although they have to put
> something at the top saying "please see my comments inline" or nobody looks
> for them), but because I can't edit the HTML, I can't do the same thing in
> reply. So I tend to top-comment with a little macro to quote things.
>
> ❝ *I assume that to do this I would need to customize the reply styling* ❞
>
> Like that. Bleh.
>

Yeah, I do this as well.  :)


> On 25 Apr 2018, at 5:50, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:
>
> Ultimately, the problem is the non-standard behaviour of Outlook. I hate
> getting mail from something like that, finding it nearly impossible to read
> and track long conversations.
>
> …anyways… I don’t know about a global solution, but you could select the
> indented reply text and use the key-command “cmd-opt-‘“
> (command-option-hyphen) to remove the quoting.
>
> v
>
> On 25 Apr 2018, at 3:48, Allan Reiffman wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> How can I have the vertical "reply" line be removed from the reply to a
> message?
>
> How can I add a horizontal line to the bottom of my reply?
>
> For better or worse the company where I work uses Outlook, and in a given
> email conversation thread the replies are simply stacked one on top of the
> other with no reply indicator or indentation, with each message being
> separated by a faint horizontal line. I would like my replies from
> Mailmate to be consistent with this format.
>
> I assume that to do this I would need to customize the reply styling - is
> there a guideline or any documentation on how to do this (in general), and
> / or specifically what I would need to modify to achieve the above?
>
> Thanks,
> -Allan
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Re: [MlMt] Outlook style reply styling

[Allan Reiffman]

Selecting the qutoted text and using "command-option-apostrophe" works
great, THANK YOU!   Can't believe I never knew about this before.

Now if I could just figure out a way to automate this...  :)

-Allan


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Verdon Vaillancourt 
wrote:

> So sorry, I meant command-option-apostrophe
>
> That has worked for me on pretty much every mail client I’ve used in years.
>
> v
>
>
>
> On 26 Apr 2018, at 2:40, Allan Reiffman wrote:
>
> Thanks for the suggestion, but if I am understanding correctly, that does
>> not seem to work for me. After selecting the reply text (in the editing
>> pane), using "command-option-hyphen" just makes the text in that pane
>> smaller. Did I misundersand?
>>
>> Does anyone else have suggestions on how to customtize the reply styling
>> (globally, or per account, or per signature) such that the vertical line
>> indicating the quoted text is removed, and also adding a faint horizontal
>> line under my reply text?
>>
>> Having this ability would allow me to actually use Mailmate to reply to
>> messages.  Currently I use Mailmate just for reading and processing
>> incoming mail, and also for its great search functionality, but end up
>> using Outlook for replying so as to maintain a consistent format in the
>> reply conversation.  :)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Allan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Verdon Vaillancourt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ultimately, the problem is the non-standard behaviour of Outlook. I hate
>>> getting mail from something like that, finding it nearly impossible to
>>> read
>>> and track long conversations.
>>>
>>> …anyways… I don’t know about a global solution, but you could select the
>>> indented reply text and use the key-command “cmd-opt-‘“
>>> (command-option-hyphen) to remove the quoting.
>>>
>>> v
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 Apr 2018, at 3:48, Allan Reiffman wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>

 How can I have the vertical "reply" line be removed from the reply to a
 message?

 How can I add a horizontal line to the bottom of my reply?

 For better or worse the company where I work uses Outlook, and in a
 given
 email conversation thread the replies are simply stacked one on top of
 the
 other with no reply indicator or indentation, with each message being
 separated by a faint horizontal line.  I would like my replies from
 Mailmate to be consistent with this format.

 I assume that to do this I would need to customize the reply styling -
 is
 there a guideline or any documentation on how to do this (in general),
 and
 / or specifically what I would need to modify to achieve the above?

 Thanks,
 -Allan

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Re: [MlMt] Outlook style reply styling

[Kee Hinckley]

I primarily use MailMate in an Outlook environment.

I'm sure it would be possible to create a css theme that matched 
Outlook's so you'd get a similar look. I've never seen the horizontal 
bar, but as others say, you can add it with `---` (and probably with 
some creative CSS as well). I've gone the other route and tried to style 
mine _better_ than Outlook :).


**Benny**, is it possible to have user-defined themes, or do we still 
need to add them into the app?


If not, you look at 
`/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/Bundles/MailMate.mmBundle/Themes` 
and add your own file there with a new UID, then it will show up in the 
Composer preferences.  You'll need to replace it each time you update 
the app.


My biggest issue in dealing with Outlook is that occasionally people try 
to get _around_ the top comment model and edit inline, and when they do, 
they mark their comments as theirs by *coloring* them (and putting their 
initials on them). That's easy enough to read (although they have to put 
something at the top saying "please see my comments inline" or nobody 
looks for them), but because I can't edit the HTML, I can't do the same 
thing in reply. So I tend to top-comment with a little macro to quote 
things.


❝ _I assume that to do this I would need to customize the reply 
styling_ ❞


Like that. Bleh.



On 25 Apr 2018, at 5:50, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

Ultimately, the problem is the non-standard behaviour of Outlook. I 
hate getting mail from something like that, finding it nearly 
impossible to read and track long conversations.


…anyways… I don’t know about a global solution, but you could 
select the indented reply text and use the key-command 
“cmd-opt-‘“

(command-option-hyphen) to remove the quoting.

v

On 25 Apr 2018, at 3:48, Allan Reiffman wrote:


Hi all,

How can I have the vertical "reply" line be removed from the reply to 
a

message?

How can I add a horizontal line to the bottom of my reply?

For better or worse the company where I work uses Outlook, and in a 
given
email conversation thread the replies are simply stacked one on top 
of the

other with no reply indicator or indentation, with each message being
separated by a faint horizontal line.  I would like my replies from
Mailmate to be consistent with this format.

I assume that to do this I would need to customize the reply styling 
- is
there a guideline or any documentation on how to do this (in 
general), and

/ or specifically what I would need to modify to achieve the above?

Thanks,
-Allan

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Re: [MlMt] Outlook style reply styling

[Randall Meadows]

On 26 Apr 2018, at 0:40, Allan Reiffman wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion, but if I am understanding correctly, that does
> not seem to work for me. After selecting the reply text (in the editing
> pane), using "command-option-hyphen" just makes the text in that pane
> smaller. Did I misundersand?

Yes, you did.  The correct keystrokes are command-option-singlequote.

Command-option-hyphen indeed alters the text size.


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Re: [MlMt] Outlook style reply styling

[Verdon Vaillancourt]

So sorry, I meant command-option-apostrophe

That has worked for me on pretty much every mail client I’ve used in 
years.


v


On 26 Apr 2018, at 2:40, Allan Reiffman wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, but if I am understanding correctly, that 
does
not seem to work for me. After selecting the reply text (in the 
editing

pane), using "command-option-hyphen" just makes the text in that pane
smaller. Did I misundersand?

Does anyone else have suggestions on how to customtize the reply 
styling
(globally, or per account, or per signature) such that the vertical 
line
indicating the quoted text is removed, and also adding a faint 
horizontal

line under my reply text?

Having this ability would allow me to actually use Mailmate to reply 
to

messages.  Currently I use Mailmate just for reading and processing
incoming mail, and also for its great search functionality, but end up
using Outlook for replying so as to maintain a consistent format in 
the

reply conversation.  :)

Thanks,
-Allan



On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Verdon Vaillancourt 


wrote:

Ultimately, the problem is the non-standard behaviour of Outlook. I 
hate
getting mail from something like that, finding it nearly impossible 
to read

and track long conversations.

…anyways… I don’t know about a global solution, but you could 
select the

indented reply text and use the key-command “cmd-opt-‘“
(command-option-hyphen) to remove the quoting.

v


On 25 Apr 2018, at 3:48, Allan Reiffman wrote:

Hi all,


How can I have the vertical "reply" line be removed from the reply 
to a

message?

How can I add a horizontal line to the bottom of my reply?

For better or worse the company where I work uses Outlook, and in a 
given
email conversation thread the replies are simply stacked one on top 
of the
other with no reply indicator or indentation, with each message 
being

separated by a faint horizontal line.  I would like my replies from
Mailmate to be consistent with this format.

I assume that to do this I would need to customize the reply styling 
- is
there a guideline or any documentation on how to do this (in 
general), and

/ or specifically what I would need to modify to achieve the above?

Thanks,
-Allan


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Re: [MlMt] Outlook style reply styling

[Allan Reiffman]

Hi Benny,


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Benny Kjær Nielsen  wrote:

> On 25 Apr 2018, at 9:48, Allan Reiffman wrote:
>
> How can I have the vertical "reply" line be removed from the reply to a
> message?
>
> The vertical line is HTML (CSS) styling of quoted paragraphs (blockquote).
> In a sense, it's not really part of the message.
>
> How can I add a horizontal line to the bottom of my reply?
>
> Using Markdown you can use --- on a line of its own. Using plain text you
> could use an HTML signature containing .
>
> For better or worse the company where I work uses Outlook, and in a given
> email conversation thread the replies are simply stacked one on top of the
> other with no reply indicator or indentation, with each message being
> separated by a faint horizontal line. I would like my replies from Mailmate
> to be consistent with this format.
>
> I assume that to do this I would need to customize the reply styling - is
> there a guideline or any documentation on how to do this (in general), and
> / or specifically what I would need to modify to achieve the above?
>
> I don't think current features would allow you to do that. In general, I
> try to make MailMate as “standards” compliant as possible, but I also try
> to be pragmatic when users have to deal with the realities of the world. In
> this case, it means allowing users to emulate Outlook behavior when
> necessary (and hopefully only when necessary). But I'm not even sure
> Outlook always behaves as you describe. It might also be company traditions
> which play a role.
>
> I would like to see a typical email thread. If possible, you can send it
> to me using “Help ▸ Send Feedback” in MailMate (you can drag'n'drop an
> email to attach it). Then I can more easily determine what it would require
> for MailMate to handle such emails when replying.
>

I sent you a typical email thread. Thanks for taking a look at this!
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Re: [MlMt] blocking external images on messages moved out of junk folder

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 19 Apr 2018, at 13:25, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 11 Apr 2018, at 14:56, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi, I marked a message that was placed in my junk folder (SpamSieve 
score of 73) as not junk.  It was moved to the appropriate inbox, but 
when I went to read it there, it had the banner saying it had blocked 
3 external references.  It also said the message was marked as not 
junk.  I was surprised to see that banner.


I switched mailboxes and then when I went back to look at the message 
a few minutes later, the banner was gone and the message displayed 
normally.


That does sound like a bug. Is it reproducible?


I experienced this issue myself and I believe I've fixed it for the next 
update.


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Re: [MlMt] getting told I have 2 unsent messages but nothing in outbound

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 25 Apr 2018, at 21:05, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


There is 3 but I get warned about 2.

The youngest one was done if I recall right while I was traveling 
(flights, opening/closing laptop, etc.). Only special thing I can 
think of there.


Let me know what you would like to get from them ?


You can move them to Deleted Messages since this'll stop the 
exit-warning. I'll get back to you if I need some information, but it's 
not a big problem if they are lost since I don't think they can tell me 
much about how they got into this state.


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Re: [MlMt] Outlook style reply styling

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 25 Apr 2018, at 9:48, Allan Reiffman wrote:

How can I have the vertical "reply" line be removed from the reply to 
a message?


The vertical line is HTML (CSS) styling of quoted paragraphs 
(blockquote). In a sense, it's not really part of the message.



How can I add a horizontal line to the bottom of my reply?


Using Markdown you can use `---` on a line of its own. Using plain text 
you could use an HTML signature containing ``.


For better or worse the company where I work uses Outlook, and in a 
given email conversation thread the replies are simply stacked one on 
top of the other with no reply indicator or indentation, with each 
message being separated by a faint horizontal line.  I would like my 
replies from Mailmate to be consistent with this format.


I assume that to do this I would need to customize the reply styling - 
is there a guideline or any documentation on how to do this (in 
general), and / or specifically what I would need to modify to achieve 
the above?


I don't think current features would allow you to do that. In general, I 
try to make MailMate as “standards” compliant as possible, but I 
also try to be pragmatic when users have to deal with the realities of 
the world. In this case, it means allowing users to emulate Outlook 
behavior when necessary (and hopefully only when necessary). But I'm not 
even sure Outlook always behaves as you describe. It might also be 
company traditions which play a role.


I would like to see a typical email thread. If possible, you can send it 
to me using “Help ▸ Send Feedback” in MailMate (you can 
drag'n'drop an email to attach it). Then I can more easily determine 
what it would require for MailMate to handle such emails when replying.


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Re: [MlMt] Outlook style reply styling

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 25 Apr 2018, at 17:10, Bill Cole wrote:


On 25 Apr 2018, at 10:24, Arnau Rebassa wrote:

I have discovered a “strange” behaviour in Mailmate replaying 
outlook
mails. Where I work we use office.com, so when I reply an email from 
one of
my colleagues, the vertical line for quoted text is not displayed 
unless I
jump to very bottom of the email and I modify my signature. Something 
so

stupid to add an space and then remove it.

I don’t know if Benny has any explanation for this behaviour.


If you use the "Embed" functionality of the MailMate composer and 
reply to a HTML message, MailMate starts the reply message with a 
pristine full copy of the original message's HTML. If you do any 
editing that requires modification of that object or simply a fresh 
rendering of the HTML that MailMate generates itself, the embedded 
message can get redrawn differently than it was when initially 
starting the composition. I'm unsure *WHY* that redrawing results in 
the appearance changing, nut I have watched it happen.


MailMate does not allow the user to edit the original HTML. *If* the 
user tries to do that then it's converted to plain text (or an existing 
plain text alternative is used). The end result might still be an HTML 
email if Markdown is used, an HTML signature is used, or all outgoing 
emails are styled (an option in the Composer preferences pane). For most 
emails this is fine and the end result is going to be a cleaner email 
(all of it generated by MailMate). Embedding HTML is primarily useful 
for emails with heavy use of styling (most often some kind of marketing 
emails).


In other words, it's fine to force MailMate to drop the embedded HTML 
when it's not really needed. Using in-between replies, as I do, forces 
this to almost always happen.


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Re: [MlMt] mailmate no longer remembers column settings at all

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 26 Apr 2018, at 9:21, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

i'm on Version 2.0BETA (6110) and now no matter what I select in 
column views and no matter how many times I set them as defaults they 
always fallback to default.


It's probably best if you just reset the column settings:

defaults delete com.freron.MailMate MmMailboxRelatedStates

I don't want to go into debugging this, because I'm going to rewrite the 
code anyways. (One might say that the current code tries to be too smart 
for its own good. What is saved and when it is saved needs to be more 
explicit.)


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[MlMt] mailmate no longer remembers column settings at all

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

i'm on Version 2.0BETA (6110) and now no matter what I select in column 
views and no matter how many times I set them as defaults they always 
fallback to default.


Please help - I really need my Date received (relative) column for my 
sanity ;)


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Re: [MlMt] Outlook style reply styling

[Allan Reiffman]

Thanks for the suggestion, but if I am understanding correctly, that does
not seem to work for me. After selecting the reply text (in the editing
pane), using "command-option-hyphen" just makes the text in that pane
smaller. Did I misundersand?

Does anyone else have suggestions on how to customtize the reply styling
(globally, or per account, or per signature) such that the vertical line
indicating the quoted text is removed, and also adding a faint horizontal
line under my reply text?

Having this ability would allow me to actually use Mailmate to reply to
messages.  Currently I use Mailmate just for reading and processing
incoming mail, and also for its great search functionality, but end up
using Outlook for replying so as to maintain a consistent format in the
reply conversation.  :)

Thanks,
-Allan



On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Verdon Vaillancourt 
wrote:

> Ultimately, the problem is the non-standard behaviour of Outlook. I hate
> getting mail from something like that, finding it nearly impossible to read
> and track long conversations.
>
> …anyways… I don’t know about a global solution, but you could select the
> indented reply text and use the key-command “cmd-opt-‘“
> (command-option-hyphen) to remove the quoting.
>
> v
>
>
> On 25 Apr 2018, at 3:48, Allan Reiffman wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>>
>> How can I have the vertical "reply" line be removed from the reply to a
>> message?
>>
>> How can I add a horizontal line to the bottom of my reply?
>>
>> For better or worse the company where I work uses Outlook, and in a given
>> email conversation thread the replies are simply stacked one on top of the
>> other with no reply indicator or indentation, with each message being
>> separated by a faint horizontal line.  I would like my replies from
>> Mailmate to be consistent with this format.
>>
>> I assume that to do this I would need to customize the reply styling - is
>> there a guideline or any documentation on how to do this (in general), and
>> / or specifically what I would need to modify to achieve the above?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Allan
>>
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