Re: [MlMt] Odd header choice when searching all mailboxes
On 14 Nov 2018, at 20:19, Eric Sharakan wrote: Running r5559, in my "All Messages" mailbox, the "To" column is always displayed, not the "From" column. And it cannot be deselected; it's greyed out. Is this expected? It would be if for some reason "To" is selected as the "Outline Column" (which is the column used to indicate the thread hierarchy.) -- Bill Cole ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Odd header choice when searching all mailboxes
Running r5559, in my "All Messages" mailbox, the "To" column is always displayed, not the "From" column. And it cannot be deselected; it's greyed out. Is this expected? -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.
Hi, On 15 November 2018, at 0825, Stephen Chong wrote: It's a freemium model. You can use the app without paying anything. The free version works well. The premium version is more a way to support the developer and help keep the app up to date. See https://preside.io/PremiumFAQ.html. Yeah - I should have called that out -- for me, this is a no-brainer. I became a MailMate Patron the day Benny announced it. I exist inside email for much of my work, and to help make certain that developers have a bit of regular income to keep them inspired -- completely worth it for me. Generally, not a fan of subscriptions, but, for something that I use for many hours per day, I make it work. I'll be reaching out to the Preside developers today with feedback on some bugs/quirks I've found overnight, but, to finally have a mobile way to manage/sort/filter my MailMate email tags, aa. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.
It's a freemium model. You can use the app without paying anything. The free version works well. The premium version is more a way to support the developer and help keep the app up to date. See https://preside.io/PremiumFAQ.html. (I've been using Preside for a while, and eMailGanizer for a few years before that. It's a good app, and the developer is very responsive.) Cheers, Steve. On 14 Nov 2018, at 16:08, TJ Luoma wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 3:45 PM Scott A. McIntyre wrote: The client I found: https://preside.io … Just wanted to share this as I figured others in this community may be interested. Preside very much feels like a "power user" mail app, just as I see MailMate to be. I hadn't heard of this app before, and I was very excited to try this out… but a subscription of $25/year for an iOS mail app kept me away. I'm not against paying for software, even software that has a free alternative (e.g MailMate! I even used to pay for the Opera browser years ago before it went free). Heck, I think I paid $25 for a mail app on my old Treo 300 way back when. But subscribing to an app is still a pretty high bar for me. Then I got to thinking, if you do sign up for a year, it's basically a tiny bit more than $2/month (although unfortunately they charge $5/month if you don't prepay for a full year, which seems like a bad idea, but I'm no expert). As I was writing this, Dave C wrote: Why are so many app developers reluctant to post the costs alongside the benefits on the FAQ or other information pages? I don't know, but I assume somewhere along the way some "expert" told developers not to list pricing on their website, because it is a very popular trend. I think it's a bad one, because it always seems like they're trying to hide it, which makes it seem like they think it's too high. If you aren't willing to be forthcoming about it, it just seems deceptive. But again, maybe I'm wrong and people who are smarter have figured out what it works better for them overall. It's definitely a turn-off for me, though. I'm glad that Apple usually lists IAP prices clearly, even on their web page previews: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id808514898 TjL -- TJ Luoma TJ @ MacStories Personal Website: luo.ma (aka RhymesWithDiploma.com) Twitter: @tjluoma ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.
> On Nov 14, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Giovanni Lanzani wrote: > > On 14 Nov 2018, at 22:05, davecc wrote: > > Why are so many app developers reluctant to post the costs alongside the > benefits on the FAQ or other information pages? > > What does the annual subscription cost? > > Dave > > 25$/year > > See here (scroll down to in-app purchases). > In the App Store yes. My comment was about lack of price information on their web site. Dave___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.
TJ Luoma wrote: Dave C said: >> Why are so many app developers reluctant to post the costs alongside the >> benefits on the FAQ or other information pages? > > I don't know, but I assume somewhere along the way some "expert" told > developers not to list pricing on their website, because it is a very > popular trend. I think it's a bad one, because it always seems like > they're trying to hide it, which makes it seem like they think it's > too high. If you aren't willing to be forthcoming about it, it just > seems deceptive. THAT. Dave ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.
On 14 Nov 2018, at 22:05, davecc wrote: Why are so many app developers reluctant to post the costs alongside the benefits on the FAQ or other information pages? What does the annual subscription cost? Dave 25$/year See [here](https://itunes.apple.com/app/id808514898) (scroll down to in-app purchases).___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 3:45 PM Scott A. McIntyre wrote: > The client I found: > > https://preside.io … > Just wanted to share this as I figured others in this community may be > interested. Preside very much feels like a "power user" mail app, just > as I see MailMate to be. I hadn't heard of this app before, and I was very excited to try this out… but a subscription of $25/year for an iOS mail app kept me away. I'm not against paying for software, even software that has a free alternative (e.g MailMate! I even used to pay for the Opera browser years ago before it went free). Heck, I think I paid $25 for a mail app on my old Treo 300 way back when. But subscribing to an app is still a pretty high bar for me. Then I got to thinking, if you do sign up for a year, it's basically a tiny bit more than $2/month (although unfortunately they charge $5/month if you don't prepay for a full year, which seems like a bad idea, but I'm no expert). As I was writing this, Dave C wrote: > Why are so many app developers reluctant to post the costs alongside the > benefits on the FAQ or other information pages? I don't know, but I assume somewhere along the way some "expert" told developers not to list pricing on their website, because it is a very popular trend. I think it's a bad one, because it always seems like they're trying to hide it, which makes it seem like they think it's too high. If you aren't willing to be forthcoming about it, it just seems deceptive. But again, maybe I'm wrong and people who are smarter have figured out what it works better for them overall. It's definitely a turn-off for me, though. I'm glad that Apple usually lists IAP prices clearly, even on their web page previews: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id808514898 TjL -- TJ Luoma TJ @ MacStories Personal Website: luo.ma (aka RhymesWithDiploma.com) Twitter: @tjluoma ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.
Why are so many app developers reluctant to post the costs alongside the benefits on the FAQ or other information pages? What does the annual subscription cost? Dave > My apologies for those who already know this, but, last night I stumbled > across an iOS app that matches many of MailMate's features, but, obviously, > works mobile. > > MailMate is absolutely the only email client for me at my desktop, but, there > are things I sometimes must do on my iPhone or iPad that are tricky to do > with the standard Mail.app client there. > > The client I found: > > https://preside.io > > Now, the UI may not appeal to all, but, it is incredibly flexible, with a > huge array of configuration options to suit many needs. > > For me, the highlight was: It works seamlessly with MailMate IMAP tags (as > stored on FastMail, at least). > > There are all sorts of things like Smart Folders, integration with helper > apps, quick filtering, configurable buttons, its own S/MIME certificate > management, and so on. > > Just wanted to share this as I figured others in this community may be > interested. Preside very much feels like a "power user" mail app, just as I > see MailMate to be. > > Mobile will not be replacing desktop for me anytime soon - but to at least be > able to access many of the power features MailMate has enabled for me over > the years whilst mobile was a huge win. > > Regards, > > Scott > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.
Hi all, My apologies for those who already know this, but, last night I stumbled across an iOS app that matches many of MailMate's features, but, obviously, works mobile. MailMate is absolutely the only email client for me at my desktop, but, there are things I sometimes must do on my iPhone or iPad that are tricky to do with the standard Mail.app client there. The client I found: https://preside.io Now, the UI may not appeal to all, but, it is incredibly flexible, with a huge array of configuration options to suit many needs. For me, the highlight was: It works seamlessly with MailMate IMAP tags (as stored on FastMail, at least). There are all sorts of things like Smart Folders, integration with helper apps, quick filtering, configurable buttons, its own S/MIME certificate management, and so on. Just wanted to share this as I figured others in this community may be interested. Preside very much feels like a "power user" mail app, just as I see MailMate to be. Mobile will not be replacing desktop for me anytime soon - but to at least be able to access many of the power features MailMate has enabled for me over the years whilst mobile was a huge win. Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Feature request: "Reset/Delete 'High Priority' Flag"
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:03 AM Eric Sharakan wrote: > > Isn't the solution for TJ as simple as having a dedicated header column > for priority, separate from "flag"? So you don't "turn off" the > priority setting, you just choose not to display it. Oh, that's a very good idea. If I never have to see the "High Priority" flag, then I don't care how often it gets misused, but I still want to be able to use IMAP flags (and MailMate flags, ideally.) And it solves the problem that Bill identified about IMAP not changing headers. A separate column for it would be great, if Benny agrees. TjL -- TJ Luoma TJ @ MacStories Personal Website: luo.ma (aka RhymesWithDiploma.com) Twitter: @tjluoma ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keybinding for TAB changed?
Just noticed that this is intermittent. Sometimes shift-tab from the mailbox gear menu focuses the search box, sometimes it’s the mailbox list. Shift-tab skipping the mailbox list coincides with no mailbox appearing to be highlighted in the list (despite a mailbox’s contents being displayed). Next time this happens I’ll take a screenshot. On 14 Nov 2018, at 12:00, Sam Hathaway wrote: This is bugging me too. I used to use shift-tab to focus the mailbox list. Now a single shift-tab focuses the gear menu at the bottom of the mailbox list. A second shift-tab focuses the search box. A (non-shifted) tab from the search box focuses the mailbox list. So there’s definitely some tab ordering issues going on. On 14 Nov 2018, at 11:39, Michael Nietzold wrote: what: - i just updated to Version 1.12.1 (5552) - i use the three pane layout - i normaly select a mailbox in the left tree what i expected: - then i can select all and delete or use tab to go to the upper mail list - i like to go back with the cursor to the left tree - i can hit SHIFT-TAB and i am back in the left tree what i see: - there are some changes in the new version? - i need to tap TAB twice to go to the list - when i hit SHIFT-TAB it goes to settings icon and a second goes to the tree Question: - is there an other better shortcut to go to the left tree and to the mail list? - how i can exclude settings from the TAB cicle? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keybinding for TAB changed?
This is bugging me too. I used to use shift-tab to focus the mailbox list. Now a single shift-tab focuses the gear menu at the bottom of the mailbox list. A second shift-tab focuses the search box. A (non-shifted) tab from the search box focuses the mailbox list. So there’s definitely some tab ordering issues going on. On 14 Nov 2018, at 11:39, Michael Nietzold wrote: what: - i just updated to Version 1.12.1 (5552) - i use the three pane layout - i normaly select a mailbox in the left tree what i expected: - then i can select all and delete or use tab to go to the upper mail list - i like to go back with the cursor to the left tree - i can hit SHIFT-TAB and i am back in the left tree what i see: - there are some changes in the new version? - i need to tap TAB twice to go to the list - when i hit SHIFT-TAB it goes to settings icon and a second goes to the tree Question: - is there an other better shortcut to go to the left tree and to the mail list? - how i can exclude settings from the TAB cicle? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] printing message
On 14 Nov 2018, at 16:42, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: On 14 Nov 2018, at 10:33, Robert Brenstein wrote: Release 5552 I am printing a message, it is HMTL-formatted and I told MM to load pics, so it looks properly in the MM window, but the printed message has only placeholder for the image and most of the message retains only text, messing the layout. The message is an invoice and tax office is particular about them looking properly. Is that a new kink? I print messages occasionally only since most invoices come as PDF, but I do not recall such a problem. I find it works better if I open the message in a separate window. --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb Yes, the message was open in a separate window. Robert___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Keybinding for TAB changed?
what: - i just updated to Version 1.12.1 (5552) - i use the three pane layout - i normaly select a mailbox in the left tree what i expected: - then i can select all and delete or use tab to go to the upper mail list - i like to go back with the cursor to the left tree - i can hit SHIFT-TAB and i am back in the left tree what i see: - there are some changes in the new version? - i need to tap TAB twice to go to the list - when i hit SHIFT-TAB it goes to settings icon and a second goes to the tree Question: - is there an other better shortcut to go to the left tree and to the mail list? - how i can exclude settings from the TAB cicle? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Feature request: "Reset/Delete 'High Priority' Flag"
On 14 Nov 2018, at 10:02, Eric Sharakan wrote: Isn't the solution for TJ as simple as having a dedicated header column for priority, separate from "flag"? So you don't "turn off" the priority setting, you just choose not to display it. An excellent idea. A little thought rapidly leads to the recognition that bundling priority with intrinsically semantics-free mutually-exclusive mutable flags makes no sense. If anyone actually pays attention to sender-defined priority, surely it shouldn't be masked by using flags. -Eric On 14 Nov 2018, at 9:52, Bill Cole wrote: On 13 Nov 2018, at 13:38, TJ Luoma wrote: We all know these folks… they may be friends, loved one, or even co-workers… but there are just some people who seem unable to send out an email without labelling it as HIGH PRIORITY. Of course, that almost instantly makes their messages seem _not_ high priority, because if everything is an emergency, then nothing really is. I would love it if MailMate could allow me to turn off the HIGH PRIORITY flag in emails that I receive which I deem to be not HIGH PRIORITY. I don't want to turn off the entire column because I do sometimes use regular flags to highlight messages. I agree completely, and I hope Benny comes up with an implementation. However, there is a quirk with this misfeature of email which explains why changing the "Priority" isn't universally implemented: it is not an IMAP keyword (which would be a local receiver-set value.) Instead, it is set by the sender adding one or more non-standard headers: X-Priority, Priority, X-Importance, Importance, or X-MSMail-Priority. I don't know which of these MailMate specifically honors but they all share the same problem: as headers they are an internal part of the delivered message, which an IMAP server must never modify. So, unsetting the 'Priority' requires the IMAP client (MailMate) to reconstruct the message without whichever header(s) it is honoring and store it and then to delete the original. This means the client has to do more housekeeping on the state of a message and it means that other clients could catch the server in a state where both messages exist. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] printing message
On 14 Nov 2018, at 10:33, Robert Brenstein wrote: Release 5552 I am printing a message, it is HMTL-formatted and I told MM to load pics, so it looks properly in the MM window, but the printed message has only placeholder for the image and most of the message retains only text, messing the layout. The message is an invoice and tax office is particular about them looking properly. Is that a new kink? I print messages occasionally only since most invoices come as PDF, but I do not recall such a problem. I find it works better if I open the message in a separate window. --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] printing message
Release 5552 I am printing a message, it is HMTL-formatted and I told MM to load pics, so it looks properly in the MM window, but the printed message has only placeholder for the image and most of the message retains only text, messing the layout. The message is an invoice and tax office is particular about them looking properly. Is that a new kink? I print messages occasionally only since most invoices come as PDF, but I do not recall such a problem. Robert___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Feature request: "Reset/Delete 'High Priority' Flag"
Isn't the solution for TJ as simple as having a dedicated header column for priority, separate from "flag"? So you don't "turn off" the priority setting, you just choose not to display it. -Eric On 14 Nov 2018, at 9:52, Bill Cole wrote: On 13 Nov 2018, at 13:38, TJ Luoma wrote: We all know these folks… they may be friends, loved one, or even co-workers… but there are just some people who seem unable to send out an email without labelling it as HIGH PRIORITY. Of course, that almost instantly makes their messages seem _not_ high priority, because if everything is an emergency, then nothing really is. I would love it if MailMate could allow me to turn off the HIGH PRIORITY flag in emails that I receive which I deem to be not HIGH PRIORITY. I don't want to turn off the entire column because I do sometimes use regular flags to highlight messages. I agree completely, and I hope Benny comes up with an implementation. However, there is a quirk with this misfeature of email which explains why changing the "Priority" isn't universally implemented: it is not an IMAP keyword (which would be a local receiver-set value.) Instead, it is set by the sender adding one or more non-standard headers: X-Priority, Priority, X-Importance, Importance, or X-MSMail-Priority. I don't know which of these MailMate specifically honors but they all share the same problem: as headers they are an internal part of the delivered message, which an IMAP server must never modify. So, unsetting the 'Priority' requires the IMAP client (MailMate) to reconstruct the message without whichever header(s) it is honoring and store it and then to delete the original. This means the client has to do more housekeeping on the state of a message and it means that other clients could catch the server in a state where both messages exist. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Feature request: "Reset/Delete 'High Priority' Flag"
On 13 Nov 2018, at 13:38, TJ Luoma wrote: We all know these folks… they may be friends, loved one, or even co-workers… but there are just some people who seem unable to send out an email without labelling it as HIGH PRIORITY. Of course, that almost instantly makes their messages seem _not_ high priority, because if everything is an emergency, then nothing really is. I would love it if MailMate could allow me to turn off the HIGH PRIORITY flag in emails that I receive which I deem to be not HIGH PRIORITY. I don't want to turn off the entire column because I do sometimes use regular flags to highlight messages. I agree completely, and I hope Benny comes up with an implementation. However, there is a quirk with this misfeature of email which explains why changing the "Priority" isn't universally implemented: it is not an IMAP keyword (which would be a local receiver-set value.) Instead, it is set by the sender adding one or more non-standard headers: X-Priority, Priority, X-Importance, Importance, or X-MSMail-Priority. I don't know which of these MailMate specifically honors but they all share the same problem: as headers they are an internal part of the delivered message, which an IMAP server must never modify. So, unsetting the 'Priority' requires the IMAP client (MailMate) to reconstruct the message without whichever header(s) it is honoring and store it and then to delete the original. This means the client has to do more housekeeping on the state of a message and it means that other clients could catch the server in a state where both messages exist. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] import accounts broken
Hi, this problem persists in r5559. I can't import any accounts. -Eric On 8 Nov 2018, at 10:40, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi, with r, when I click the Import button after selecting one or more accounts on the Import Accounts dialog, nothing happens. The button press seems to just be ignored. Anyone else seeing this? -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] mailbox list display
I just upgraded to Version 1.12.1 (5552). It seems that the new mailbox list was discussed lately, but I did not pay much attention since it focused mostly on Mojave and I am using El Capitan. However, I am not happy with the new appearance. Is it configurable? The items are spread more and font is bigger, so I see like 6 items fewer, forcing me to scroll up and down all the time, which I did not have to do in the previous version I had. Also, the background for the counters is no longer gray but dark gray, making the counters somewhat too strong, but that is less critical. Robert___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
