Re: [MlMt] What controls physical deletion of mails from MailMate?
On 25 Aug 2021, at 18:24, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2021-08-25 at 12:29:08 UTC-0400 (Wed, 25 Aug 2021 17:29:08 +0100) > Raza Rizvi > is rumored to have said: > [details snipped] > >> Anyone else got any clue what is going on! > > Check MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior > > Another possibility is that your IMAP server is doing some sort of > auto-expunge. > Thanks for the input Bill. Yes I have tried MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior as “mailboxSwitch” and “never” and neither (now) seem to do what is expected. When the MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior appeared not to be set it was acting as though it was set to “mailboxSwitch”. Fastmail are the provider, though I noticed this behaviour a while ago with Tuffmail (I have migrated from Tuffmail to Fastmail now) but just put it down to auto-expunge being set so Tuffmail could clear things down ready for their ceasing of operations. If I delete a message using an Android mail client like K9mail, the message is marked as deleted, and does not disappear - and it is the same message store. Which suggests it is a MailMate thing. Raza ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What controls physical deletion of mails from MailMate?
On 2021-08-25 at 12:29:08 UTC-0400 (Wed, 25 Aug 2021 17:29:08 +0100) Raza Rizvi is rumored to have said: [details snipped] Anyone else got any clue what is going on! Check MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior Another possibility is that your IMAP server is doing some sort of auto-expunge. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What controls physical deletion of mails from MailMate?
Sorry to yet again reply to my own message. The issue remains but until just now, the messages were deleted if I switched to another mailbox/smart mailbox. Which made me remember that in a mail on the 25th September 2020 Benny told me about defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior -string "mailboxSwitch" (which is not listed on https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences) The other value is “Never” I checked my MailMate hidden defaults and there was no entity called MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior but I clearly had set it in Sept 2020 and it must have been set as that was the behaviour I was seeing. Setting it to “Never” or indeed back to "mailboxSwitch" makes no difference, the mails are deleted immediately after being marked as deleted because I have the (also not documented on the Hidden preferences page) MmDeleteBehavior -string "markAsDeleted" I think these preferences must have disappeared when a build removed the Experimental 2.0 preference in the General pane. But the documentation suggests this was AGES ago. But I refer to it back in September 2020 so I must have seen and switched it on. (I have of course restarted MailMate in between changes of the defaults) Anyone else got any clue what is going on! Raza On 25 Aug 2021, at 13:20, Raza Rizvi wrote: As an update to this - the expected normal behaviour has returned. Though I am conscious of changing nothing in MailMate or fast mail. Deleted mails are shown in MailMate as deleted (red dot) and they are not being automatically expunged. All very mysterious! Raza On 16 Aug 2021, at 16:32, Raza Rizvi wrote: Hello, Usually in my mail clients I see deleted mails either as struck through or in red, pending me to get round to running an Expunge. In MailMate I used to see such deleted mails with a red dot marker. I noticed a little while ago that mails deleted on a Tuffmail account appeared to be deleted immediately/nearly immediately. I figured this was a change in the handling of such messages on the Fastmail side as they started their path to ceasing operations in Jan 2022. Now I am noticing this with FastMail (to whom I am moving my message store). This suggests it is something I am doing wrong. I can’t see anything in MailMate or the FastMail preferences that controls the immediate deletion or otherwise of IMAP flagged deleted emails (as you see in the IMAP settings for Google accounts). It happens regardless of whether I use the bin icon or the delete key. Mails do not appear in the Deleted Messages folder within MailMate. I can’t see a relevant hidden preference I might have accidentally toggled. What am I missing? Raza ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What controls physical deletion of mails from MailMate?
As an update to this - the expected normal behaviour has returned. Though I am conscious of changing nothing in MailMate or fast mail. Deleted mails are shown in MailMate as deleted (red dot) and they are not being automatically expunged. All very mysterious! Raza On 16 Aug 2021, at 16:32, Raza Rizvi wrote: > Hello, > > Usually in my mail clients I see deleted mails either as struck through or in > red, pending me to get round to running an Expunge. > > In MailMate I used to see such deleted mails with a red dot marker. I noticed > a little while ago that mails deleted on a Tuffmail account appeared to be > deleted immediately/nearly immediately. I figured this was a change in the > handling of such messages on the Fastmail side as they started their path to > ceasing operations in Jan 2022. > > Now I am noticing this with FastMail (to whom I am moving my message store). > This suggests it is something I am doing wrong. > > I can’t see anything in MailMate or the FastMail preferences that controls > the immediate deletion or otherwise of IMAP flagged deleted emails (as you > see in the IMAP settings for Google accounts). > > It happens regardless of whether I use the bin icon or the delete key. Mails > do not appear in the Deleted Messages folder within MailMate. > > I can’t see a relevant hidden preference I might have accidentally toggled. > What am I missing? > > Raza ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
